GWJ Conference Call Episode 121

Conference Call

A Special Show From Rabbit Con, Board Games, Rock Band, Face To Face Gaming and more!

This week we have a very special show as Cory "Demiurge" Banks, Lara "KaterinLHC" Crigger and Erik "wordsmythe" Hanson join Julian Murdoch live from his basement studio. The crew talks about what they're playing, gaming in person and shares some recordings from the gathering. If you want to submit a question or comment call in to our voicemail line at (612) 284-4563!

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Show credits

Music credits: 

Intro Music - Ian Dorsch, Willowtree Audioworks

"GWJ Conference Call More Cowbell" (Ian Dorsch) - 0:39:27

Comments

NSMike wrote:
MrDeVil909 wrote:
Gaald wrote:
NSMike wrote:

I really hate to say it because I loves me some content, but... I think the show was better for being shorter. You guys on the main podcast should maybe consider slimming things down.

I love you. :)

Unbelievably, I agree.

I feel so loved.

Love you man.

I meant that I couldn't believe that I enjoyed the shorter show, not that it was unbelievable I agreed with you.

Although, that is pretty unusual.....

Man, I wish I was there. Whats it take to get to this....Rabbit -con, as you call it? For future reference.

Nice Cure rendition at the end. Excellent punctuation to the whole Rock Band conversation.

Atomicvideohead wrote:

Man, I wish I was there. Whats it take to get to this....Rabbit -con, as you call it? For future reference.

Nice Cure rendition at the end. Excellent punctuation to the whole Rock Band conversation.

I think you have to know somebody on the inside.

doubtingthomas396 wrote:

I think you have to know somebody on the inside.

Damn that opaque cabal!

Atomicvideohead wrote:

Man, I wish I was there. Whats it take to get to this....Rabbit -con, as you call it? For future reference.

Your answer is in the first post on the rabbitcon twitter feed: http://www.twitter.com/rabbitcon. This was a great idea by Demi. I hope to see it get used more. A GWJ PAX one would be great, for example.

boogle wrote:

Katerin, taking things back to my 7 year old level with Magic The Gathering.
I made a whole goblin deck, based not on winning (I never did), but because it had the best quotes and pictures.

I was never very good at M:TG--I tended to get too stuck on silly theme decks as well. Like my Ethereal Deck for instance, which couldn't include any physical creatures or effects. Still, it was a fun way to lose.

I have no proper response to that suggestion. I think I'll try frankincense and a camel instead.

Just finished listening to the podcast, and after initially thinking that this episode might not be as interesting as the bulk of other shows (since I'm not that much of a big board or card gamer), I came out actually interested in Dominion: go figure!

And all of you did an excellent job with the show. I would very much love to here Katerin and wordsmythe on the podcast again, since they brought some interesting points to the table.

Katerin, that thing you mentioned where you open up your DS and suddenly every guy around wants to be your friend? I'm not sure whether you anticipated it, but you just triggered that phenomenon on a GWJ-sized scale. Talk to us more!

In all seriousness, your obvious enthusiasm was infectious and you had a lot of good things to say; you really should be on the show more often.

Excellent episode, all 'round. My college years were the late '90's and early 00's, and I can attest to the "20 people in a tiny dorm room" events, though our were centered almost entirely around Mario Kart 64. I remember 3-day weekends where for pretty much the whole 72 hours, you could hear the sounds of Rainbow Road emanating from someone's dorm room, and without fail that door would be open, inviting new challengers. I too can say most, if not all, of my social gaming memories are Nintendo-focused, from Secret of Mana and Super Street Fighter on the SNES, through Mario Kart and Smash Bros on the N64, all the way up to Rock Band, Tetris Party and Boom Blox on the Wii. They just seem to make systems that get people together in rooms - nice to hear you guys giving the Wii some love.

EDIT: Also, you all have me seriously considering picking up Dominion. It sounds great.

Ravenlock wrote:

EDIT: Also, you all have me seriously considering picking up Dominion. It sounds great.

Dominion is very good, although I had a lengthy discussion with some friends about estates/duchies/provinces and game balance. In a nutshell: provinces rule, estates drool. We're contemplating house rules to "fix" this.

BSG is supposed to be good, but I haven't played it yet. (We'll probably play it at the next board game party.) I've been cautioned away from Android, which I've been told tries to do too many things at once. The BoardGameGeek reviews aren't very forgiving about it either. Still, I guess I'd rather play it than slog through Advanced Third Reich.

Show was shorter because no reader emails/voicemails.

- Alan

Western New England huh? Didn't know you were that close. It's pretty empty out here to be honest, I'm just going to school out here, so it takes a little getting used to.

I actually think estates are perfectly priced in the game. They serve essentially as impedementia and a place to store two coins for later remodelling. In a longer game, they simply have to be dealt with, preferably with a chapel. The only reasons they get actively bought is for their utility, not their points value.

I used to think the game was always just a "race to the provinces," but I've played so much online now that I've seen plenty of alternative wins, generally involvign duchies, gardens and running out the garden/card-draw stacks in a hurry. Played on purpose, it's possible to buy down three stacks frighteningly fast, especially if workshops, festivals and throne rooms are in the draw.

BTW, I like the longer length of the podcast. You don't have to listen to it in one sitting. I listen to it over a couple of days in my car. I would hate to sit at my computer listening to it, as I can't read or play games while listening.

Of course, it is really yhe only podcast I listen to regularly. I usually have a 2+2 Pokercast, and the current Dan Patrick Show, but I don't listen to them as much. I like talk radio in the car, so Conference Call is a nice fit.

Great podcast!

Question: what's geekier, Rock Band or Dungeons & Dragons?

Answer: Rock Band. It's good to know so many non-gamers have stooped to my level.

For the Dominion fans - do you recommend playing it online to see if I like it? Is it a good / pleasant re-creation of the game to play?

For that matter, as a complete BSW newbie, how do you recommend I get started playing any of their games online? I know none of ze German.

McChuck wrote:
Atomicvideohead wrote:

Man, I wish I was there. Whats it take to get to this....Rabbit -con, as you call it? For future reference.

Your answer is in the first post on the rabbitcon twitter feed: http://www.twitter.com/rabbitcon. This was a great idea by Demi. I hope to see it get used more. A GWJ PAX one would be great, for example.

There will definitely be a Twitter feed for PAX.

wordsmythe wrote:
WiredAsylum wrote:

I know I did not hear wordsmythe turning down drinks because it was 9am. Sir?!?! What kind of ambassador of Chicago are you? Sir, get your self to a kegs and eggs party stat!

Easy there, you're starting to sound like a Cubs fan.

I'd only just gotten up, brewed coffee, and eaten an English muffin. Drinking in the morning is a dangerous road for me generally, but before the shower is right out.

Low blow! OK i deserved that one.

I like longer podcasts, they get me through my workday

Since there are a lot of boardgamers here, has anyone tried the new edition of Arkham Horror? I enjoyed the 1987 original a lot with friends many years ago. It's entertaining playing a game that you know you will almost certainly lose, but if you manage to win you feel like a true hero.

The new version looks even more daunting than the original, though. Good grief the number of pieces and cards!

Also, what about the Reiner Knizia Lord of the Rings boardgame? I've enjoyed that one as well, along with the Friends & Foes expansion. Never got the Sauron expansion that lets one player be Sauron, because I like the cooperative "play against the system" mechanic more.

Ever since the BoardGameGeek guys stopped doing their podcast, I haven't really listened to people talk about board game rules in depth in a while so this was a pretty neat episode.

Anyway, for the point at the end of the episode, I'll just say that I'm one of those "if I can't play it for real why learn" types of people. I don't know if it's instant gratification or whatever, but between spending five minutes to learn how to play a song on Rock Band and five days/weeks/months to play the same song on a real guitar, there just doesn't seem to be any real incentive.
I guess it depends on where the value is derived from - actually learning to play an instrument or gathering a crowd together to watch you do something, even if all you are doing is tapping coloured buttons.

Im not a huge fan of the Reiner LOTR game, but that's because it's coop and I hate coop in general.

Arkham I love for the theme, but it's REALLY f'n long, especially the first time or two. If you play with someone who REALLY knows how to play, it goes much smoother, but like many, many coop games, one vocal player can easily end up driving the non-vocal players around like puppets.

One word: awesome!

Thank you for that brief departure down the Rabbit hole. Sounded like a great time!

I used to host something very similar on a regular basis down in San Diego. Now that I am a father, have a demanding work schedule, and otherwise can't find the time to stay sane I've been struggling to find gaming time, much less have an equiv. con. However! I think maybe 2009 will be the year of forcing the issue. I'll have to solicit some folks on GWJ who live in the Bay Area to join in the hijinx.

HedgeWizard wrote:

One word: awesome!

Thank you for that brief departure down the Rabbit hole. Sounded like a great time!

I used to host something very similar on a regular basis down in San Diego. Now that I am a father, have a demanding work schedule, and otherwise can't find the time to stay sane I've been struggling to find gaming time, much less have an equiv. con. However! I think maybe 2009 will be the year of forcing the issue. I'll have to solicit some folks on GWJ who live in the Bay Area to join in the hijinx.

Hit up endgame oakland too, they do regular mini-cons at the store that sound like a blast. Tell Chris Hanrahan your from GWJ, and you'll get a royal welcome.

Yew wrote:

Since there are a lot of boardgamers here, has anyone tried the new edition of Arkham Horror?

A lot of people like it, but I personally don't enjoy playing Arkham Horror due to a combination of concurrency problems and pacing. That is, I'd rather play four games of something else instead of one game of Arkham Horror.

- Alan

Demiurge wrote:

Anyone want to see Wordsmythe doing Wii Fit's Hula Hoop minigame? Anyone want to see him shake his money maker? I've got just the thing for you.

Until I watched this with sound, I had forgotten I'd taken a couple of photos over the weekend. The cartoon voice you can hear is me and here's the picture I was talking about taking:
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The 5 devils on expert drums song taken at 1:11AM. I can't believe I was conscious enough to think to take a photo as proof. Though, apparently, I was Unconscious. Not sure what that means. Maybe a tribute to Keith Moon? Seems fitting:
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The man they call Rab{bit}:
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"They call it RabbitCon. ... I urgently desire never to see it again. It is inhabited by savages."

Keep Cory, Katerin and Wordsmythe.

Get rid of Rabbit, imo!!

hehe, just kidding. Wonderful job guys. Sounds like a bunch of fun.

So how much fuss do we have to make in order to demand more audio of Cory?

Just chant Cory "Demiurge" Banks over and over on the voicemail line.

great show, I really liked the discussion about face to face gaming.

Great show, guys! I'd really appreciated the conversation on 'gaming socially,' and how that's changed recently. I also wanted to echo the comments that Katerin and Wordsmythe added some interesting and unique perspectives to the cast, and I wouldn't mind hearing you guys again.

On the cast, briefly the conversation turned to why people don't game socially on buses, or in other public venues. -To turn that question around, how much of 'social gaming' is about being with friends, and how much is about the game? Would Rock Band be any more or less fun with your Grandma than it'd be with your sister's-friend's-cousin's-neighbor, who'd you've just met, is kind of a jerk, and smells like soup? Or, with random people on buses or in airports?