Still slow on the news front, so I figured we could all take a moment out of our day to point and laugh at people who simply don't have a firm grasp on reality. Rick Berman, executive producer of the most recent poorly written Star Trek movie, talked with SciFi Wire about the disappointing numbers for Nemesis' theatrical release. Surprising as it may seem, particularly for those of you who saw the film, Berman can't figure out why the latest Trek jaunt didn't break the bank.
Read on to see how Berman sidesteps the obvious.Berman told SciFi wire in this article:
"There's no way of telling what happened," Berman said in an interview. "I'm convinced that we made a very good movie, and I'm also convinced that the movie was promoted properly."
He continues
"I think that the competition of other films may have played some part in it, but I can't be certain of that, either. It's very, very hard to tell."
And finishes with a flourish!
"There's a theory that there was too much time [between Insurrection and Nemesis]," he said. "There's another theory that there wasn't too much time. I, along with the people at Paramount, need a few months of perspective and thinking about it to then decide what's the best thing to do next."
Maybe I'm missing some subtle art of the spin, but, and I'm just guessing here, could it be the latest Trek film didn't do well because it was a terrible film. I happened to catch Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country the other night on SciFi, and that reminded me of what a good Trek flick can be, and hasn't been for a long time. I don't tend to hold much of a strong opinion when it comes to Star Trek, which may be why I feel ok in suggesting that it may just be time to let the franchise die.
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I don't think it's time to let the franchise die, I think it's time for a transfusion of fresh blood.
For whatever reason(s), and I'm not gonna go into speculation here, because we could be here all day, Berman's leadership for the franchise has become utterly ineffective. It's like he's deliberately working to insure Star Trek comes across as plain old boring gruel.
I don't think Nemesis was a horrible outing by itself, but they really had to have blinders on if they thought the audience wasn't going to feel cheated by it's sloppily obvious "Wrath of Khan" inspiration. The fact that Nemesis yet again put it's focus on Picard and Data (that's 4 for 4, folks!) didn't help either. I like those two as much as anybody else, but come ON! The TV was great partially because it was an ensemble show... once they hit the big screen, it's like all the other main characters were just extras to inject the dialogue that had to come from somebody else besides Picard and Data. *sigh*
As with ALL the Next Gen films (possibly excepting First Contact), I think it would have been a better TV-Movie.
Back on track, though... yeah, I think it's high-time Paramount put somebody else in charge of Star Trek. Whatever touch Berman may have had is obviously long-gone, and it's about to bring an American Icon to it's knees (if it hasn't already).
I never got a chance to see this one, but didn't hear good things.
Two Towers came out a week after this movie (roughly anyway) and obviously that had a big impact on it at the box office. Maybe if there had been little else in the theatre during it's run, it would have done better, unless of course, everything I heard about it was true and wasn't worth the time to watch it.
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You know, they lock people in padded rooms that are clearly this out of touch.
I wish you guys would stop encouraging him.
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I rarely go to the movies anymore at $9 a pop. It's just too much money, were it more like $7 I would go a bit more.
While were on the topic im tired of hearing all the complaints about Unreal 2 and short games in general. If you really think about it a 10 hour game at $50 dollars is roughly equivalent to 10 hours of movies at $9 per about 2 hours of movie.
The only trek series I really liked was Deep Space 9, because it had more interesting elements. Since it was set in one place they couldn't just use the tired old "found a new species" storyline. You got to know the characters a little more, and they actually brought in some Starfleet politics, which I liked. I haven't seen Nemesis, so I don't know if it's any good, but seeing the commercials, I really didn't care if I got a chance to see it or not.
If there's one thing I want Paramount to know about Star Trek movies it's that they always need more Chief O'Brian.
"Anakin, as embodied by [Hayden] Christensen, is the kind of needlessly moody kid you might see getting punched out in a Dairy Queen parking lot."
"”Paul Tatara on SW:Episode II
>>Two Towers came out a week after this movie (roughly anyway) and obviously that had a big impact on it at the box office. <<
I'd buy this if Catch Me If You Can didn't stand in stark contrast. It went head to head with Towers and did exceedingly well.
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That's all well and good, as Catch me if you Can is still in theatre's and I've heard good things.
Catch me if you can had the whole "Based on a true story" angle, which really seperated it from LOTR:TT. Nemesis on the other hand, was just another space shootem-up Star Trek movie. When faced with these choices, I think the general public would pick LOTR:TT over Nemesis as a good escape movie, but Catch Me If You Can still has the appeal of, "How'd he do it?".
If that made any sense at all...
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Actually, Krieg, I agree with you completely (well maybe not the first two seasons of DS9). It was the only series I followed faithfully, and I felt they managed to go out at the top of their game. I still cared about most of the characters, and I was still interested to see how the plot developed. I can't say that about TNG, Voyager, or Enterprise (which I haven't watched in months).
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The problem is correctly stated above: it's Berman & the rest of the Star Trek producers who have reduced this franchise to obscurity. TOS was fun, TNG was enjoyable in its own way, DS9 was just odd (until the wormhole became the center of the big war and all the stuff they said they didn't need was put in), and then Voyager was just done WRONG. Well, we're 75 years from home, so let's stop at every opportunity, so we don't get there anytime soon. Once again, they add in all of the elements they said they didn't need, all of the familiar ST:TNG players like to Borg and Q. Now, I don't bother. Hell, I still can't remember whose named who on Enterprise. ST has become *ponderous*, a chore rather than a joy to watch.
New ideas, new creators, or more blah. I wonder what Paramount will pick.
TNG is my favorite show ever, it is the only television show I have gotten out of bed early to watch... well besides cartoons when I was a wee lad.
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TNG was my favorite, and I didnt care much for DS9 at all (though the characters were great). I think they just had a different focus. TNG was all about exploration and DS9 was about character development. DS9 really stands out compared to the rest of the series, because of its focus on the characters, and the crew stayed pretty much stationary. All of the other series focus on exploration and wonder. Still though, they both kick the shit out of Voyager.
TNG is still one of the best television shows ever made, IMO. It was my #1 of all time until Cowboy Bebop.
Wierdest thing though, it usually takes me about 5 seconds to figure out which episode of TNG is on TV. I can then name the season, major plot, subplot and other random shit about it. Especially if it was in one of the good seasons, or was a good episode. It feels very freaky, Im not sure if I should be proud or scared.
And Di Caprio, Hanks, and Spielberg. Sometimes, names sell movies more than title and content.
I wish you guys would stop encouraging him.
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