NFL 2011 Post-Lockout, Pre-Season Thread

Anyone film Desean Jackson working out in his driveway yet?

If it's true that the suspension means he can have no team-related activity, then I think Pryor would be smart to appeal, if that means he could work out with the team and get a playbook while the appeal is being heard.

Even if he drops it, if it gets him any kind of introduction/hand on playbook, that would be huge for him not wasting his rookie year.

gizmo wrote:

If it's true that the suspension means he can have no team-related activity, then I think Pryor would be smart to appeal, if that means he could work out with the team and get a playbook while the appeal is being heard.

Even if he drops it, if it gets him any kind of introduction/hand on playbook, that would be huge for him not wasting his rookie year.

I thought he can practice and such in the preseason, just not in the regular season. Also he can still work individually with coaches during the suspension, just not with the team.

I stand corrected. I hadn't see the news that he was available for the preseason, only that he couldn't practice until week 6.

I still think that, if I were him, I would take all the practice I could get now while they aren't in week to week mode. He should be able to get more coaching at this point than later in the season when they are prepping for games.

*Legion* wrote:

Vince Young is struggling to learn the Dream Team's offense.

Given that Vince Young is the ONLY one associated with the Eagles who has used that term, I find that kind of funny.

Jolly Bill wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

Vince Young is struggling to learn the Dream Team's offense.

Given that Vince Young is the ONLY one associated with the Eagles who has used that term, I find that kind of funny.

They're all waiting for Vince Young to get cut first.

*Legion* wrote:
Jolly Bill wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

Vince Young is struggling to learn the Dream Team's offense.

Given that Vince Young is the ONLY one associated with the Eagles who has used that term, I find that kind of funny.

They're all waiting for Vince Young to get cut first. :)

I figured Carolina would be good for 4 to 6 wins this season. I'm now thinking that was a bit optimistic.

For the third straight preseason game against a playoff contender, the Washington Redskins didn't completely suck. I realize this is just preseason, but it actually looks like they are capable of running a play or two without stepping on their cranks.

Does anyone else think they might actually win 6 games this season?

Paleocon wrote:

For the third straight preseason game against a playoff contender, the Washington Redskins didn't completely suck. I realize this is just preseason, but it actually looks like they are capable of running a play or two without stepping on their cranks.

Does anyone else think they might actually win 6 games this season?

You play your own division tough and are paired with the NFC West and NFC East.....

so besides the 6 division games, SEA, ARI, STL, SF, BUF and MIA.... throw in MIN and CAR to make up the schedule and yes 6 is plausible. Honestly thats 8 teams that might all be below .500 at the end of the season or at best .500.

edit: and bookies agree...

Over 6½ reg season wins 2.70
Under 6½ reg season wins 1.50

that line hasn't really moved since it was put up before the preseason games either.

jowner wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

For the third straight preseason game against a playoff contender, the Washington Redskins didn't completely suck. I realize this is just preseason, but it actually looks like they are capable of running a play or two without stepping on their cranks.

Does anyone else think they might actually win 6 games this season?

You play your own division tough and are paired with the NFC West and NFC East.....

so besides the 6 division games, SEA, ARI, STL, SF, BUF and MIA.... throw in MIN and CAR to make up the schedule and yes 6 is plausible. Honestly thats 8 teams that might all be below .500 at the end of the season or at best .500.

edit: and bookies agree...

Over 6½ reg season wins 2.70
Under 6½ reg season wins 1.50

that line hasn't really moved since it was put up before the preseason games either.

So bookies mostly have the Skins at 7 or more? This is blowing my mind.

Paleocon wrote:
jowner wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

For the third straight preseason game against a playoff contender, the Washington Redskins didn't completely suck. I realize this is just preseason, but it actually looks like they are capable of running a play or two without stepping on their cranks.

Does anyone else think they might actually win 6 games this season?

You play your own division tough and are paired with the NFC West and NFC East.....

so besides the 6 division games, SEA, ARI, STL, SF, BUF and MIA.... throw in MIN and CAR to make up the schedule and yes 6 is plausible. Honestly thats 8 teams that might all be below .500 at the end of the season or at best .500.

edit: and bookies agree...

Over 6½ reg season wins 2.70
Under 6½ reg season wins 1.50

that line hasn't really moved since it was put up before the preseason games either.

So bookies mostly have the Skins at 7 or more? This is blowing my mind.

Strength of schedule is one of those "hidden" things that makes a huge difference. Saw a bit from Football Outsiders the other day that said the 2009 division-winning Bengals and the utterly awful 2010 Bengals were pretty much the same team based on performance, except the 2009 had somewhat better turnover luck and a much easier schedule. So, yeah, I think the Redskins can get to 7-8 wins this year based on that alone. Maybe that will lead another round of the John Beck/Sexy Rexy Experience in 2012.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
jowner wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

For the third straight preseason game against a playoff contender, the Washington Redskins didn't completely suck. I realize this is just preseason, but it actually looks like they are capable of running a play or two without stepping on their cranks.

Does anyone else think they might actually win 6 games this season?

You play your own division tough and are paired with the NFC West and NFC East.....

so besides the 6 division games, SEA, ARI, STL, SF, BUF and MIA.... throw in MIN and CAR to make up the schedule and yes 6 is plausible. Honestly thats 8 teams that might all be below .500 at the end of the season or at best .500.

edit: and bookies agree...

Over 6½ reg season wins 2.70
Under 6½ reg season wins 1.50

that line hasn't really moved since it was put up before the preseason games either.

So bookies mostly have the Skins at 7 or more? This is blowing my mind.

Strength of schedule is one of those "hidden" things that makes a huge difference. Saw a bit from Football Outsiders the other day that said the 2009 division-winning Bengals and the utterly awful 2010 Bengals were pretty much the same team based on performance, except the 2009 had somewhat better turnover luck and a much easier schedule. So, yeah, I think the Redskins can get to 7-8 wins this year based on that alone. Maybe that will lead another round of the John Beck/Sexy Rexy Experience in 2012.

Even with all that said, am I the only one thinking that this team is playing better than they have a right to?

Paleocon wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
jowner wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

For the third straight preseason game against a playoff contender, the Washington Redskins didn't completely suck. I realize this is just preseason, but it actually looks like they are capable of running a play or two without stepping on their cranks.

Does anyone else think they might actually win 6 games this season?

You play your own division tough and are paired with the NFC West and NFC East.....

so besides the 6 division games, SEA, ARI, STL, SF, BUF and MIA.... throw in MIN and CAR to make up the schedule and yes 6 is plausible. Honestly thats 8 teams that might all be below .500 at the end of the season or at best .500.

edit: and bookies agree...

Over 6½ reg season wins 2.70
Under 6½ reg season wins 1.50

that line hasn't really moved since it was put up before the preseason games either.

So bookies mostly have the Skins at 7 or more? This is blowing my mind.

Strength of schedule is one of those "hidden" things that makes a huge difference. Saw a bit from Football Outsiders the other day that said the 2009 division-winning Bengals and the utterly awful 2010 Bengals were pretty much the same team based on performance, except the 2009 had somewhat better turnover luck and a much easier schedule. So, yeah, I think the Redskins can get to 7-8 wins this year based on that alone. Maybe that will lead another round of the John Beck/Sexy Rexy Experience in 2012.

Even with all that said, am I the only one thinking that this team is playing better than they have a right to?

Yes, and you should stop that. Between 2005 and 2010, the Colts were 4-22 in the preseason. Their regular-season performance was, to say the least, somewhat better. They're not real games, don't get excited by the preseason.

Yeah, don't fall into the trap of the preseason. The Lions went 4-0 in the preseason the year they went 0-16 in the regular.

Paleocon wrote:
MilkmanDanimal wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
jowner wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

For the third straight preseason game against a playoff contender, the Washington Redskins didn't completely suck. I realize this is just preseason, but it actually looks like they are capable of running a play or two without stepping on their cranks.

Does anyone else think they might actually win 6 games this season?

You play your own division tough and are paired with the NFC West and NFC East.....

so besides the 6 division games, SEA, ARI, STL, SF, BUF and MIA.... throw in MIN and CAR to make up the schedule and yes 6 is plausible. Honestly thats 8 teams that might all be below .500 at the end of the season or at best .500.

edit: and bookies agree...

Over 6½ reg season wins 2.70
Under 6½ reg season wins 1.50

that line hasn't really moved since it was put up before the preseason games either.

So bookies mostly have the Skins at 7 or more? This is blowing my mind.

Strength of schedule is one of those "hidden" things that makes a huge difference. Saw a bit from Football Outsiders the other day that said the 2009 division-winning Bengals and the utterly awful 2010 Bengals were pretty much the same team based on performance, except the 2009 had somewhat better turnover luck and a much easier schedule. So, yeah, I think the Redskins can get to 7-8 wins this year based on that alone. Maybe that will lead another round of the John Beck/Sexy Rexy Experience in 2012.

Even with all that said, am I the only one thinking that this team is playing better than they have a right to?

I think you are likely to be able to enjoy their defense a bit more this year. Orakpo is a stud and there are a handful of other nice players, and when they were up against the Raven's 1's, they were playing fast.

That said, I don't know where the offense is going to come from for the Skins yet.

garion333 wrote:

Yeah, don't fall into the trap of the preseason. The Lions went 4-0 in the preseason the year they went 0-16 in the regular.

I think though, that there are some things you can tell from the preseason. Bad clock management, stupid mental mistakes, bad penalties, bad center to QB exchanges, overall poor execution, and the such are hallmarks of the Redskins in the pre and regular season. This team actually looks like it gives a rat's rectum and I think it might have to do with the fact that there are fewer overpriced has beens with inflated egos on it.

I'm sure they won't break .500, but it, at least to me, looks like a much better team than last year.

Playing the NFC West as one of your divisions is the best indicator of a good record.

Look at Atlanta, New Orleans and Tampa Bay last year with 13, 11, and 10 wins respectively.

Stele wrote:

Playing the NFC West as one of your divisions is the best indicator of a good record.

Look at Atlanta, New Orleans and Tampa Bay last year with 13, 11, and 10 wins respectively. ;)

Hey, don't forget Carolina and their two wins. They went 2-2 against the NFC West, 0-12 against everybody else. But hey, the good news is that they managed to re-sign all the players from that 2-14 team, plus they added a QB who can't actually throw, so they're like totally set and everything.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Hey, don't forget Carolina and their two wins. They went 2-2 against the NFC West, 0-12 against everybody else. But hey, the good news is that they managed to re-sign all the players from that 2-14 team, plus they added a QB who can't actually throw, so they're like totally set and everything.

I think this might be an upgrade, given how often the ball was fed to the other team. Oh, and they have a new coach, so that is something.

garion333 wrote:

Yeah, don't fall into the trap of the preseason. The Lions went 4-0 in the preseason the year they went 0-16 in the regular.

This is a sobering statistic for Texans fans who are happy to be sitting 2-0 at the moment.

If only Peyton can stay injured through week 1...

Atras wrote:

I think this might be an upgrade, given how often the ball was fed to the other team.

Except it wasn't. Jimmy Clausen's INT % of 3.0 was middle-of-the-pack for NFL starters. Better than some good QBs (Drew Brees was 3.3%, Eli Manning 4.9%).

Clausen was beat to hell behind a line that let him get eaten up with < 3 second sacks.

It remains to be seen whether Clausen is good or not, but he was hardly sitting back there in the pocket, pelting the other team with lots of bad passes. We still haven't seen what he can do in a legitimate NFL pocket.

He can go to the Seahawks for next year.

gizmo wrote:

He can go to the Seahawks for next year.

The only way I want Seahawk blue and green on Clausen is if Curry hits him so hard he leaves some colors on Clausen's jersey.

So a few weeks ago my mom says, "Hey, you know football, don't you?" I said yes, and next thing I know I'm running her office's pick 'em pool. What I didn't tell her is that the games each week will be the same match-ups I post here. Two birds, meet my one stone.

I know I shouldn't be drinking the kool-aid, but it's sooooooo delicious. Go Texans!

It was just the 49ers, but the Texans do look much better than in the past, especially defensively. They seem to have a lot of depth, too, which is going to be a headache when they have to cut the roster down.

bighoppa wrote:

It was just the 49ers, but the Texans do look much better than in the past, especially defensively. They seem to have a lot of depth, too, which is going to be a headache when they have to cut the roster down.

Don't worry, I'm sure we'll hang on to plenty of tight ends.