Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3

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Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 releases November 8th, 2011.

This will be the first Infinity Ward release since the big shake up after Modern Warfare 2. Sledgehammer Games and Raven Software are also on the development team. I am curious to see the result.

Steam Group (Public): GWJ Modern Warfare 3

Xbox Live Silver Account: AltFireLive

Single player content demoed for the press:

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/26/mo...

The multiplayer content is still under wraps. It will probably be unveiled at E3.

I will claim now that I am passing but already have been tempted when seeing the reveal trailer. No matter how many years I say "Not this time", I end up caving.

sjam613 wrote:

I will claim now that I am passing but already have been tempted when seeing the reveal trailer. No matter how many years I say "Not this time", I end up caving.

This has been me in the past, but I think its close proximity to the release of Battlefield 3 might make it much, much easier to avoid the caving part.

Thin_J wrote:

This has been me in the past, but I think its close proximity to the release of Battlefield 3 Skyrim, Assassin's Creed: Revelations might make it much, much easier to avoid the caving part.

Thin_J wrote:
sjam613 wrote:

I will claim now that I am passing but already have been tempted when seeing the reveal trailer. No matter how many years I say "Not this time", I end up caving.

This has been me in the past, but I think its close proximity to the release of Battlefield 3 might make it much, much easier to avoid the caving part.

Agree there. As long as they stay on target with the Battlefield 3 release I will gladly take that over CoD any day.

The Battlefield multiplayer on the 360 has never really gelled for me. I actually enjoyed Battlefield 2: Modern Combat more than the current iterations. Call of Duty, at least Infinity Ward's releases, have always gotten better for me on the consoles. Even though they just went through a big shake-up in leadership, that "Infinity Ward" logo on the box lets me give the game the benefit of the doubt...at least this once. If they drop the ball, I will move on.

'Call of Duty' Sets Sights on a Fee

Consumers are used to paying $60 each for videogames that run on consoles like the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360. Now the publisher behind the industry's biggest videogame franchise— "Call of Duty"—is about to find out whether it can get them to pay a monthly bill, too.

Activision Blizzard Inc. plans to launch an online service called Call of Duty Elite this fall that will work with the next major edition of the game, "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3," and future installments of the hyper-realistic combat-simulation game. In a move industry executives describe as a first, Activision plans to charge a monthly subscription fee for the service, which will provide extra content that isn't offered on game discs sold in stores, including downloadable map packs that give players new "Call of Duty" levels to play.

Apparently the games press is annoyed at WSJ, as this was due to be announced at E3 and they jumped the gun.

Edit: Any chance a mod can lock the other COD8/MW3 threads (1, 2), and make this the catch-all? It will only end up confusing people in future having 3 floating around.

Scratched wrote:

Activision Blizzard Inc. plans to launch an online service called Call of Duty Elite this fall that will work with the next major edition of the game, "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3," and future installments of the hyper-realistic combat-simulation game. In a move industry executives describe as a first, Activision plans to charge a monthly subscription fee for the service, which will provide extra content that isn't offered on game discs sold in stores, including downloadable map packs that give players new "Call of Duty" levels to play

Apparently the games press is annoyed at WSJ, as this was due to be announced at E3 and they jumped the gun.

What a joke. I thought they'd delay the pay to play stuff until whatever IP Bungie was working on dropped. Younger gamers may pay a premium for the latest Call of Duty content but I think asking for mom and dads credit card will be a step too far

I'll likely rent this but my enthusiasm for Cod has waned enough without this announcement

Elite is an additional part to the base multiplayer, which is still free*.

*Excluding XBL sub.

It's a shame EA have already gone with charging for DLC after launch with BF3, with the return to karkand pack being bundled only for pre-orders I'm sure they could have got a decent amount of publicity with a "no extra charges, DLC for all" move.

I don't think the Elite thing is a big deal. If you want it, buy it. If not, don't. You aren't missing out on anything (other than the map packs, which will be sold a la carte). If you're huge into CoD, then it seems worth a few bucks a month for the advanced features. If you're not, then it's not worth it, so don't get it and just play the vanilla game.

For the most part, big, publicly traded companies are going to charge for DLC. The nebulous benefit of "consumer good will" just isn't worth it to them. The smaller guys can make the good PR moves, but a few thousand extra copies means much more to them than it does to Activision or EA.

That said, I'll probably buy the base game, play the single player and a couple hours of multiplayer, and be done with it, just like the last few CoD games.

It'll split the community into 'haves' and 'have nots'. It will affect you whether you buy it or not, because either way, you'll be losing people you can play against.

I wouldn't buy this game if THEY paid ME. After f*cking over the real Infinity Ward, they've propped up a ringer company in its place, and that imposter has just announced that it plans to sweatily pork you right in the wallet.

I have played lots and lots of CoD but I've balked at paying so much for the map packs on Blops. The cost of the CoD treadmill is killing my fervour. There is no way I'll sign up to any subscription and this sounds like a very efficient machine for sucking money out of teenagers and their parents. Sure, you don't have to subscribe or buy all the maps but if you are dead into CoD it feels shi**y being the guy locking out maps for the rest of the party. I worry that this will end up being a steady barrage of 'do you want to buy this... how about a new hat... you like this gun... you sick of playing those old maps... all your friends are buying this... you want to be able to run faster... you wanna look at a laser?'

Despite myself I have to admit the trailers look great but this is coming out at the same time as Battlefield and I'll only buy one at launch. My money is down on Battlefield already. I just hope Battlefield doesn't end up trying to fleece me as much as CoD.

Something about Elite I wonder is whether it's trying to rise above the minimum bar that many multiplayer games give you. Obviously the minimum is being able to find a game and connect, and above that there's wildly varying degree of stat tracking, video/replay recording, custom content, social grouping, coaching in TF2 and DOTA clones, and official and unofficial leagues, and probably a whole shopping list of things I've forgotten that distinguish games.

Activision obviously want COD to continue for as long as they can keep it going, so this seems like longer term work to keep it a few steps up the ladder than most of the rest. It's doing a bit more than just cranking the handle and releasing another level pack.

Well, there went my interest in the game.

For a monthly fee it'd have to be a lot more than a couple extra maps.

I'm all for this if it speeds up the demise of CoD and Activision.

Scratched wrote:

Something about Elite I wonder is whether it's trying to rise above the minimum bar that many multiplayer games give you. Obviously the minimum is being able to find a game and connect, and above that there's wildly varying degree of stat tracking, video/replay recording, custom content, social grouping, coaching in TF2 and DOTA clones, and official and unofficial leagues, and probably a whole shopping list of things I've forgotten that distinguish games.

Activision obviously want COD to continue for as long as they can keep it going, so this seems like longer term work to keep it a few steps up the ladder than most of the rest. It's doing a bit more than just cranking the handle and releasing another level pack.

This will just be dedicated servers.

kyrieee wrote:

I'm all for this if it speeds up the demise of CoD and Activision.

Why are you even in this thread?

Gumbie wrote:
kyrieee wrote:

I'm all for this if it speeds up the demise of CoD and Activision.

Why are you even in this thread?

Apparently kyrieee thinks there's a whetstone in here for that dull axe that needs grinding.

I find this news about MW3 all the more disappointing because the preliminary stuff about it was so encouraging. Battlefield 3 is the multiplayer shooter I'm most anticipating this year, but MW3 was tentatively high on my list as well.

I'm getting the feeling that MW3 is going to be what Homefront should have been.

That said, I feel really bad for the Battlefield 3 guys. They've got to be hauling ass to get their game out before Activision destroys the "modern combat genre." I know that this isn't about "fairness," but it's totally unfair that Activision is beating this thing to death before anyone else can take a real crack at it. Battlefield 3 is going to lose sales because of MW3 and the CoD franchise as a whole, even if it's a better game.

As for Elite, I think Activision is spinning some grade A BS there. They say players won't mind because it won't make anyone "stronger" than anyone else. Nonsense. If it includes maps, people will need it. Anyone who doesn't get it will be left out, and no one likes being left out.

As someone who is terrible at multiplayer and has never purchased a map pack, I don't care all that much personally. I just think that Activision is either wrong or lying.

LobsterMobster wrote:

I don't care all that much personally. I just think that Activision is either wrong or lying.

I think this answers the question about BF3 sales. I dont think this will effect it much at all. If anything they may gain a few.

Sounds to me like this is a souped up bungie.net, not as much of a pay to play thing. It includes the map packs in the subscription, but I assume you can still buy them anyway.

Not as irritating as it could have been. No way I'd subscribe, though.

LobsterMobster wrote:

As for Elite, I think Activision is spinning some grade A BS there. They say players won't mind because it won't make anyone "stronger" than anyone else. Nonsense. If it includes maps, people will need it. Anyone who doesn't get it will be left out, and no one likes being left out.

You can buy the map packs a la carte. It'll come down to the math at that point. If it's $5 a month, or $15 for a map pack, then if they put out a map pack every 3 months, it'll be the same cost. Any more frequent, and the Elites make money.

I'm not a big MP guy, either, and I'll be playing more Battlefield than CoD, but people immediately saying it's a bad idea or that Activision is gouging are jumping the gun a bit. If you look objectively, for most people, CoD games provide way more value than their $60 (or even $150) price point. A lot depends on what exactly the details of the service are, but I can see quite a few people getting $5 a month worth of value out of stat tracking, easy clan matches, or other things that won't ruin the game for people that don't have the service. How many Goodjers would pay $5 a month for more TF2 hats?

Chris Grant did a pretty thorough write-up about the service: http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/31/ca...

It sounds like many of the included improvements offered will be free.

heavyfeul wrote:

The problem with the "Elite" concept is that to make it worth it, it has to be something substantial.

Gold plated AKs. Done.

The dweebs snap it up and think they're cool and nobody else cares or feels left out.

The problem with the "Elite" concept is that to make it worth it, it has to be something substantial. But, if it's substantial enough to be worth the monthly expense, then it will be enough to make the players who do not ante up feel like they are missing part of the fun. This seems like a business decision and not one motivated by a creative idea.

Anyway...I will ride the ship till it sinks.

Dyni wrote:

Chris Grant did a pretty thorough write-up about the service: http://www.joystiq.com/2011/05/31/ca...

Looks like they took things that have been implemented (for free) since Halo 2 and are calling them "the future." It is a real testament to Halo 2's place in history. Games are still catching up.

Christopher Grant wrote:

To hear them say it, Elite is nothing less than "Activision getting in front of our players and leading them into the future of connected entertainment."

Group/Clan features are actually pretty cool. Sad they have to be paid for extra

Malor wrote:

It'll split the community into 'haves' and 'have nots'. It will affect you whether you buy it or not, because either way, you'll be losing people you can play against.

Yeah. We should raise the bat signal and call in Jayhawker. He was a huge fan of the Madden Ultimate Team card game that came with Madden in 2010. The problem, however, is that while the cool deck-building and leveling while playing Madden concept actually worked the ability to purchase cards broke the game. It split the community into people who just wanted to play the game as it was and people who were basically purchasing a multi-player advantage.

It would be better if Activision simply charged a monthly fee for their MP. Either way I think it will ruin the experience and customers will be lost.

I'm wondering if they'd do a project $10 or online pass and bundle in a month/3 months "free" to get people hooked (and by coincidence the first map pack comes out in the 4th month).

I'd surprised if the launch of the next console generation isn't closely followed by the launch of a CoD pay-per-month game, MP only with some persistent world features. I'd be very surprised if there isn't someone inside Activision whose full-time job is to shape WOW into something CoD can model.

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