Mount and Blade

Citizen86 wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:

I'm thinking maybe we should create a separate thread for Warband. This one's so old it's almost ready to attend elementary school.

You going to make it? Or should I? I want to be famous!

Lord knows I've made about as many threads as Elysium writes articles. Knock yourself out.

Rat Boy wrote:

Lord knows I've made about as many threads as Elysium writes articles. Knock yourself out.

JOY

Remember to give us a link to the new thread.

Prozac wrote:

Remember to give us a link to the new thread.

Lazy Prozac!

Thank you!

Stengah wrote:
Prozac wrote:

Remember to give us a link to the new thread.

Lazy Prozac!

Thanks Stengah! Bad Prozac!

I blame the Prozac, I just don't care about anything enough anymore to track it down myself when there are helpful Goodjers around.

Goodger collective, Help me! I've eliminated all the damnable sons of nags Khergit's castles, towns and villages but the "lords" are still running around. Do I have to just defeat or defeat and capture and refuse all ransom offers for all of them to get rid of their faction once and for all?

Markly wrote:

Goodger collective, Help me! I've eliminated all the damnable sons of nags Khergit's castles, towns and villages but the "lords" are still running around. Do I have to just defeat or defeat and capture and refuse all ransom offers for all of them to get rid of their faction once and for all?

The remaining Khergits all need to be defeated in battle to finish it off. You could get a small band of cavalry and chase them all down individually, but I'd just go find something else to do while they run around the map.
They have nowhere to resupply and recruit, so combination of other factions and bandits will take care of most of them for you. When the last one has been defeated, the faction will be finished and the remaining nobles will start to find new lords to serve in other factions.

Markly wrote:

Goodger collective, Help me! I've eliminated all the damnable sons of nags Khergit's castles, towns and villages but the "lords" are still running around. Do I have to just defeat or defeat and capture and refuse all ransom offers for all of them to get rid of their faction once and for all?

I think that after awhile they will be absorbed into different nations, but that's just what I've heard, I'm not sure how long that would take either.

Markly wrote:

Goodger collective, Help me! I've eliminated all the damnable sons of nags Khergit's castles, towns and villages but the "lords" are still running around. Do I have to just defeat or defeat and capture and refuse all ransom offers for all of them to get rid of their faction once and for all?

Just defeat them, doesn't matter if you capture them or not. Remember that when their health is at 0%, they disappear and then reappear at the nearest castle or town. So long as they're "off the map" and they have no where to go, they'll be gone.

Man that was some fast responding. I was Tannshausered by Haakon and when my page refreshed after I posted Ratboy's response was under my own, so I must have beat him by milliseconds.

Excellenttt, how do i denote Mr. Burns?

I stopped playing PC games when they brought out DRAM, saw this on amazon and thoght for £5 I'd give it a go. WOW - what a brilliant game. I have read most of this thread and found it very informative, but I have a few questions and would appreciate it if any experienced players are able to answer these. My apologies if these are answered elsewhere in the thread and I missed them but it is a very long thread.

At the moment I am playing the native version and in my first game. I have honour of circa 240 and a party of about 45, 7 heroes and the rest drunks I pick up in taverns. I have been roving the lands as something of a bandit and basically every faction is really pi55ed off with me with the exception of the swadians who regard me as 'OK' or seomthing similar (rating about 20). I am listed as a swadian 'vassal' on their info page but not as a lord. They have not given me any fiefdoms. Very early in my game I think I was asked if I wanted to serve the swadian king as a mercanary or something similar for a period of 3 months which I accepted (3 game months have not passed yet). Bascially I dont want to be attached to any faction, I want to be a rebel, an outlaw roving the lands with my trusty band of thugs and raping and pillaging whenever it takes my fancy. I can this is to 4 of the 5 factions but not in the swadians because for some reason they like me. The king asks me to join him in a mission from time to time and I always ignore him and dont do any of the things he asks, I dont interact with any of the other lords (I've even taken and then delibertly failed erands) in an effort to no longer be attached to the swadians but for some reason they still like me. That said I do randomly join in big battles just for the fun of it defaulting to fighting with the swadian lord present.

Im not bothered if they like me or not but what I found last night was when seiging and successfully taking my first castle I received a message along the lines of 'as you are not an approved lord of the king of swadia there is no chance of him awarding you this castle' I then get only 1 option to 'give castle to king' - I dont get the opportunity to ask for it, renounce my attachment to the king or anything else. It seems I am kind of trapped in an inbetween position where I am not liked enough by the faction to get or even ask for fiefdoms, but annoyingly because I am kind of attached to them (as a mercanary for the 3 month period I asuume) I cannot just take things for myself.

- Long question I know but basically is there anyway I can detatch myself form the damn swadians so I can go off and do my own thing and keep castles I take?

- Am I in this position because I accepted this 3 month contract thing (memory is vague as it was right when I first started playing and didn't know what I was doing) - will this 3 month thing end and then I will be unattached?

Any advice on the above would be greatly appreciated.

Also some more general questions:

- Would suuporting a claimant to another throone remove my alligence to the swadians

- What is the 'vanilla' mod people mention?

- What mods would people recommend I use to liven my experience?

- Is it worth also buying the warband game to do multiplayer?

Thanks, ggb1979, UK

Well, ggb1979, first off welcome.

Secondly... the guy's the king. People own castles at his pleasure because they're really his. So is the land. I'm not entirely sure if you can keep your castles if you go rogue (I am sure there's a mod that lets you do that, and form your own kingdom) but keep in mind that any castle you take belongs to some king, somewhere, and he is not going to be happy with you. In the past, the general advice is basically to keep at it, ask the King if there's anything you can do for him (and do it), and hang in there. You aren't the hero of the land or anything. You're just another soldier. The King isn't going to give castles to some nameless vassal because he has all these lords who would also like castles and also they've proven their loyalty and are snappy dressers. Supporting another claimant to the throne (presumably the Swadian?) would piss off the current King quite a bit, I'd imagine. If you managed to put that usurper on the throne he'd probably like you a great deal, which would bring you closer to getting your first castle. On the other hand, it would also piss off all of Swadia, which sounds like something you may be unable to handle at this time. Were I you, I'd work at building up my reputation with the mindset that you are not conquering, your King is conquering and you are doing his will and work.

I believe that when people say "vanilla" they mean the "plain" game, which is to say unmodded. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on that as I haven't been keeping up with the mod trends and it's entirely possible some wise-ass made a vanilla mod just to make me look silly.

I would recommend you get Warband, yes. It contains far more than just multiplayer. There are lots of great single-player changes in there too.

Now, for the rest of you boys and girls, I come bearing word of a new expansion pack! With Fire and Sword advances the setting to the 17th century, complete with firearms. Of course, knowing the M&B emphasis on realism and 17th century tech, that sounds like you might get one shot when the battle opens and then you're back to your sword unless you want to take a few minutes to reload. They've also done away with the fantasy kingdoms and are setting the game in the real world (Europe, looks like). But hey, Cossacks.

Thanks Lobster - I will keep at it as I am finding it great fun running around doing my own thing. JUst seems a bit strange that I cant even TRY and hang on to a castle on my own and that you must be attached to at least 1 faction. Sure I might just get my ass kicked if I am unattached and get a castle, but in an open ended game like this it would be logical that you can at least have a go.

I understand that you cannot become a king in your own right (without mods) but I think I read that you can hold a castle while unattached as a 'robber baron' or something similar.

the problem I have is being attached to the swadians when I dont want to be - becuase they like me I cant fight them or loot their villages or anything else to make them not like me. Yes I can pi55 off the individual lords and the king himself but it does not drop the overall faction opinion of me.

If anone can help I would really appreciate it.

Also if I start a new game can I 'import' my character at current level / stats / cash etc. and rebuild my army, with no particular relationship to any of the factions etc.?

thanks, GGB1979

If I recall correctly, if you support another claimant to the Swadian throne you become a Swadian rebel, which makes everyone pissed at you (especially the Swadians) and you get to run the kingdom as the ipso facto ruler. If and when you succeed in overthrowing the Swadian king, your claimant becomes the new king and you're in the situation where you are now, only the new king really likes you.

What I did was become a rebel but never totally overthrow the king. That way I got to run things how I wanted and was basically my own faction, except that I didn't have a chance at being friendly with any other factions and was constantly at war with everyone. Suited me just fine.

Being a mercenary is just that. You work for the guy. You're not his buddy, or his countryman, or anything else. Just some schlob that gets paid for doing the dirty work. That's it.

If you want the king to let you keep the castles you take in his name, you have to swear an allegiance to him. In other words, you become his countryman sworn to pursue the king's interests. Short of that, the only way you can keep a castle is to not work for anybody.

If you start supporting a claimant, things get a bit dicey. The purpose of supporting a claimant is to get all the lords of a given faction to switch allegiance from an existing king to the one you're supporting. But for that, the lords actually have to like you personally. Which in your case may be very difficult since you're willingly antagonizing them.

I believe there is a way to export your character, and then import it later on. But I do not believe that you get to keep the items. It's been a while so I'm shady on the details.

Oh, and as Lobster mentioned, switch to Warband. There is no reason to play the original any more. Really. Warband is everything the original is, fixed up and with an extra faction.

MoonDragon wrote:

Oh, and as Lobster mentioned, switch to Warband. There is no reason to play the original any more. Really. Warband is everything the original is, fixed up and with an extra faction.

...except for couching, which they nerfed.

Whoops, wrong thread.

LobsterMobster wrote:
MoonDragon wrote:

Oh, and as Lobster mentioned, switch to Warband. There is no reason to play the original any more. Really. Warband is everything the original is, fixed up and with an extra faction.

...except for couching, which they nerfed. ;)

AFAIK nerfed couching is an option. You can switch the option to old school auto-couching.

MoonDragon wrote:
LobsterMobster wrote:
MoonDragon wrote:

Oh, and as Lobster mentioned, switch to Warband. There is no reason to play the original any more. Really. Warband is everything the original is, fixed up and with an extra faction.

...except for couching, which they nerfed. ;)

AFAIK nerfed couching is an option. You can switch the option to old school auto-couching.

Even old school couching is nerfed, the only option is for whether you have to manually couch or it does it automatically like the original did. In warband, once your couched lance hits something, it becomes uncouched and has a non-negligible cooldown before you can use it again. In the original, it was much faster and more effective. I used to aim for the horse and my lance would catch the rider too as he fell. In Warband doing that would require two passes, one for the horse, and one for the rider. It's also not nearly as easy to aim a couched lance in Warband.

Stengah wrote:

Even old school couching is nerfed, the only option is for whether you have to manually couch or it does it automatically like the original did. In warband, once your couched lance hits something, it becomes uncouched and has a non-negligible cooldown before you can use it again. In the original, it was much faster and more effective. I used to aim for the horse and my lance would catch the rider too as he fell. In Warband doing that would require two passes, one for the horse, and one for the rider. It's also not nearly as easy to aim a couched lance in Warband.

And I love that. I'm a manually-controlled couching fan.

I struggle with couching on the orginal as it is anyway (got pole arm rating of 200 and balanced war spear) but more often than not seem to hit them with my horse, but i think thats just cos im crap!

Re: warband I have read somewhere that you have to have steam and all the DRAM garbage that comes with it - it was steam etc, that lead me to stop playing PC games in the first place. If i buy the CD version of warband do I still have to put all the other crap on my computer?

Also re: my original question about being 'contracted' to the king, my contract came to an end last night and I declined the option to extend so I am now a free man. Next job is to try to attack the swadians and see if I can have all 5 factions furious with me at one time. Such fun!!!!

Couching does require a little practice in either version. The idea is to jab someone as you ride by them, not trample them, though I'm guessing you already knew that.

I'm not sure if Steam is required for the disc version. It's a bit surprising that you hate Steam so much, though. Most of us here are big fans. Of course, a mouse loves all the tasty cheese on the mousetrap, right before it snaps shut.

LobsterMobster wrote:

It's a bit surprising that you hate Steam so much, though. Most of us here are big fans. Of course, a mouse loves all the tasty cheese on the mousetrap, right before it snaps shut. :D

It might be due to my my own ignorance more than anything - as far as I am concerned if I pay for a CD containing a game then i should be able to play that game without connecting to the internet, downloading the latest version, activating via 3rd party software or being limited to installs etc. If you guys say steam is OK then I may look at it but there are a number of negative reviews on Amzon UK regarding the fact that steam is budled in with the CD version of warband.

Now where did I put my gauntlets.....

ggb1979 wrote:

Re: warband I have read somewhere that you have to have steam and all the DRM garbage that comes with it - it was steam etc, that lead me to stop playing PC games in the first place. If i buy the CD version of warband do I still have to put all the other crap on my computer?

A derail, I know - but Steam is, in many ways, a boon to PC Gamers. For games that use it[color=red]*[/color], Steam's DRM is minimally intrusive, allows you to download a game anywhere (you can also make physical-media backups), and adds a lot of social features.

Sure I'd be happier without any DRM, and am no fan of the many abusive DRM schemes that have been forced on PC gamers. Steam, by and large, does the best job of balancing the desire of publishers to avoid piracy with the desire of gamers to just be able to play their games without having to jump through hoops.

[color=red]*[/color]I have DRM-free games on my Steam account. Some games also opt to use their own DRM scheme instead of Steam's, but I don't buy many of those.

Does anybody still play this? I've just re installed warband and the freelancer mod where you essentially start life as a low ranker with poor armor and weapons under contract in an army. As you progress and do well you gain promotions and get better armor to fight with. The mod makes this pretty close to my ideal game.

I still have it installed (after what must be a year and half or so of not playing it) and want to get back into it someday, but probably a pipe dream-

I own and love Warband, but it's actually $5 on Steam sale, while Fire and Sword is $2.50. I want to gift some copies, which should I gift? I'm suspicious of firearms in Mount and Blade, but haven't tried it for myself.