"All them <other race> people look alike!"

spider_j wrote:

One of the baristas mistook me for a 60 year old bald White man, so I don't feel too bad...

You really, really should. Unless you are a 65+ year old bald white man. Then you should feel pretty good about yourself.

Yonder wrote:
spider_j wrote:

One of the baristas mistook me for a 60 year old bald White man, so I don't feel too bad...

You really, really should. Unless you are a 65+ year old bald white man. Then you should feel pretty good about yourself.

Did spider_j recently get on a flight from Hong Kong into Canada?

Saw a movie set in China that was made in the 1930s, and the white guy in military uniform was waving down the truck to make him stop but the truck nearly hit him and crashed into a cart. He yelled at the driver through a translator that the driver should have stopped, as the white guy was an officer in the army. The translator said "He apologizes, but he didn't know who you were, he says all white people look the same to him, and he didn't see your stripes." Something along that line. I'm sure the study is true.

MaxShrek wrote:

I'm sure the study is true.

Well of course the study is true. I don't think anyone but the most self-denialist would claim that the stereotype that "people sharing traits not in common with your own are more difficult to discriminate between" is false; rather, the discussion seems to be focusing more on whether being able to make a specific light blink in the brain is caused by early childhood development or by genetics or by the guidance of the great healing strength of Pruit.

Seth wrote:
MaxShrek wrote:

I'm sure the study is true.

Well of course the study is true. I don't think anyone but the most self-denialist would claim that the stereotype that "people sharing traits not in common with your own are more difficult to discriminate between" is false; rather, the discussion seems to be focusing more on whether being able to make a specific light blink in the brain is caused by early childhood development or by genetics or by the guidance of the great healing strength of Pruit.

But again, while an interesting topic of discussion, the study isn't to blame for not proving that the link is caused by childhood development, genetics, or Pruit, since all of that is beyond the scope of the study.

Which I realize several people have pointed out besides myself, but seems worth mentioning again.

Maq wrote:
Quintin_Stone wrote:

These articles about studies rarely summarize the studies well.

This. Perceptual psychology is fascinating stuff and the study is a useful addition to that field. The problem is the standard of science reporting and journalism to be found in the media is approximately one step above getting monkeys to fling excrement at the page.

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Seth wrote:

The discussion seems to be focusing more on whether being able to make a specific light blink in the brain is caused by early childhood development or by genetics or by the guidance of the great healing strength of Pruit.

I haven't seen a single person in this discussion say that this "blinking (or not blinking) light" is set off be anything other than development. Not even early childhood development, but just development period. People here have had many anecdotes about moving to regions with different racial makeups later on in life and adjusting within a few months.

attributing the status of the light to the race of the subject and the data point implies that the race is the cayse of the status change, not the race of thos the subject is most likely to spend their time interacting with. It's like saying that blue drinks make children hyper when you feed one grouo sugar laced Koolaid that is blue and another group water. You imply it was the food coloring that caused the increased energy levels, not the cup of sugar the child ingested.

Sonicator wrote:

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Not to nitpick but that's not really a cycle unless crazy grandmas somehow directly lead to research of the A-B correlation.

iaintgotnopants wrote:
Sonicator wrote:

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Not to nitpick but that's not really a cycle unless crazy grandmas somehow directly lead to research of the A-B correlation.

They didn't include it (and i picked up the same problem) but it's obvious that the outrage of the populace leads to new studies on A-B to refute or clarify the relationship.

Just look at stem cells and how public outrage has meant that their research has spread to making them from blood and bone marrow of grown adults..... each time the news reports it, there's a new outrage of some sort (mainly in America as far as i can tell) and they either lose funding or have to take a new tack in the subject.

Duoae wrote:
iaintgotnopants wrote:
Sonicator wrote:

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Not to nitpick but that's not really a cycle unless crazy grandmas somehow directly lead to research of the A-B correlation.

They didn't include it (and i picked up the same problem) but it's obvious that the outrage of the populace leads to new studies on A-B to refute or clarify the relationship.

Just look at stem cells and how public outrage has meant that their research has spread to making them from blood and bone marrow of grown adults..... each time the news reports it, there's a new outrage of some sort (mainly in America as far as i can tell) and they either lose funding or have to take a new tack in the subject.

Yep, and genetic engineering is an even better example. Obviously it's not a perfect cycle, but it's intended to be entertainment (and/or psychotherapy for phd students).

iaintgotnopants wrote:
Sonicator wrote:

Bears repeating:

Not to nitpick but that's not really a cycle unless crazy grandmas somehow directly lead to research of the A-B correlation.

It's not a cycle it's a news cycle. If you wanted to nitpick you should have mentioned they didn't get the grandma on to breakfast TV to talk about how the A-Crisis is affecting her personally.

Nosferatu wrote:

attributing the status of the light to the race of the subject and the data point implies that the race is the cayse of the status change, not the race of thos the subject is most likely to spend their time interacting with. It's like saying that blue drinks make children hyper when you feed one grouo sugar laced Koolaid that is blue and another group water. You imply it was the food coloring that caused the increased energy levels, not the cup of sugar the child ingested.

I really don't feel like the paper implied that at all. It specified that they took people that had no contact with the other race until at most a month prior. Really it did everything it could to eliminate any nature, nurture, anything like that. It also didn't leap to any of those things as causes, it just said, "Hey, this is happening." It really seems like you are layering all of these implications on the researcher's work when they've done everything they can to avoid pointing any fingers.

Yonder wrote:

I really don't feel like the paper implied that at all. It specified that they took people that had no contact with the other race until at most a month prior. Really it did everything it could to eliminate any nature, nurture, anything like that. It also didn't leap to any of those things as causes, it just said, "Hey, this is happening." It really seems like you are layering all of these implications on the researcher's work when they've done everything they can to avoid pointing any fingers.

This. The nature/nurture thing is entirely borne from this thread, and while it's a fun discussion, we should all take care not to attribute it to anything other than this thread.

grr I need to remember to go back and clean up that post. I wish my pre came with a bigger keyboard, or at the very least would follow the text to keep it centered as I type.

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