The Dark Knight Rises Catch-All

This is gonna sound crazy, but after thinking about it a good bit, I think Nolan himself should be the villain, cancel the movie, and let his re-imagining of Batman go out on the incredibly high note that Heath Ledger put it on.

I mean, I want more, but after that landmark performance I'm afraid anything, no matter how good, will disappoint.

Kraint wrote:

Given his reluctance to go with any super-powered villains, I think Strange is a great choice. I'm curious what exactly the good doctor's mad science of choice could be in this film.

Strange's chosen profession in the past has been psychiatry, but since we already had the mad shrink with Jonathan Crane, I don't think that'll happen. In the aforementioned Batman and the Monster Men, he was into genetics and created giant mutants, but that wouldn't fit Nolan's vision.

I still feel like Talia al Ghul, Hush, or Black Mask would make far more sense in Nolan's version of the Batman universe than any of his other villains. Or they could go a little more obscure and make a run at a less fantastical version of a character like Deathstroke or a less ridiculous version of Deadshot.

Or staying with the al Ghul story you could go for Nyssa Raatko.

Zsasz. Nuff said. I want a huge body count.

KingGorilla wrote:

Zsasz. Nuff said. I want a huge body count.

He would work too, but he seems much more like a side villain. They did already introduce him in Batman Begins though.

I remember seeing this a while back.

The Johnny Depp part of it seems to me to be folks associating him with any eccentric character, but I think Phillip Seymour Hoffman would be a good candidate for the Penguin.

Ugh, the Penguin?

Thin_J wrote:

I still feel like Talia al Ghul, Hush, or Black Mask would make far more sense in Nolan's version of the Batman universe than any of his other villains. Or they could go a little more obscure and make a run at a less fantastical version of a character like Deathstroke or a less ridiculous version of Deadshot.

Or staying with the al Ghul story you could go for Nyssa Raatko.

Charlize would make an excellent Talia.

Rat Boy wrote:
Thin_J wrote:

I still feel like Talia al Ghul, Hush, or Black Mask would make far more sense in Nolan's version of the Batman universe than any of his other villains. Or they could go a little more obscure and make a run at a less fantastical version of a character like Deathstroke or a less ridiculous version of Deadshot.

Or staying with the al Ghul story you could go for Nyssa Raatko.

Charlize would make an excellent Talia.

Oh god please no more Charlize in anymore hero movies.

ranalin wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:
Thin_J wrote:

I still feel like Talia al Ghul, Hush, or Black Mask would make far more sense in Nolan's version of the Batman universe than any of his other villains. Or they could go a little more obscure and make a run at a less fantastical version of a character like Deathstroke or a less ridiculous version of Deadshot.

Or staying with the al Ghul story you could go for Nyssa Raatko.

Charlize would make an excellent Talia.

Oh god please no more Charlize in anymore hero movies.

Especially because I would take the same chick voicing Talia for Arkham City to play her.

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Jayhawker wrote:
ranalin wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:
Thin_J wrote:

I still feel like Talia al Ghul, Hush, or Black Mask would make far more sense in Nolan's version of the Batman universe than any of his other villains. Or they could go a little more obscure and make a run at a less fantastical version of a character like Deathstroke or a less ridiculous version of Deadshot.

Or staying with the al Ghul story you could go for Nyssa Raatko.

Charlize would make an excellent Talia.

Oh god please no more Charlize in anymore hero movies.

Especially because I would take the same chick voicing Talia for Arkham City to play her.

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Stana Katic is voicing her? Nice.

I would not be against Clayface. If anybody can find a good way to make it work it's Nolan. I'm not sure how they can do it without getting a little more fantastical than anything else we've seen in this version of the Batman universe, but who knows.

At this point I'm pretty willing to trust Nolan's judgement.

Thin_J wrote:

I would not be against Clayface. If anybody can find a good way to make it work it's Nolan. I'm not sure how they can do it without getting a little more fantastical than anything else we've seen in this version of the Batman universe, but who knows.

At this point I'm pretty willing to trust Nolan's judgement.

What about face putty? I mean, have it as a Mission Impossible style ability to disguise himself as other people using make-up.

Duoae wrote:
Thin_J wrote:

I would not be against Clayface. If anybody can find a good way to make it work it's Nolan. I'm not sure how they can do it without getting a little more fantastical than anything else we've seen in this version of the Batman universe, but who knows.

At this point I'm pretty willing to trust Nolan's judgement.

What about face putty? I mean, have it as a Mission Impossible style ability to disguise himself as other people using make-up.

Exactly. In fact, they should draw inspiration from a different classic monster actor, Lon Chaney, the Man of 1000 Faces.

Hrm. I'm not going to go for anything certain, but if Nolan DOES make it Clayface, then he could be using it as a way to show how a fantastical character ought to be handled in his vision of Gotham. After all, this is a trilogy he said he was working on, so he may not be returning to the franchise. In that case, the best thing to do with your third film is try and leave it so whoever handles it next knows how to go from there.

ccesarano wrote:

Hrm. I'm not going to go for anything certain, but if Nolan DOES make it Clayface, then he could be using it as a way to show how a fantastical character ought to be handled in his vision of Gotham. After all, this is a trilogy he said he was working on, so he may not be returning to the franchise. In that case, the best thing to do with your third film is try and leave it so whoever handles it next knows how to go from there.

Well, the studio may want that. But I would rather see a new director create their own version of Batman, rather than try to continue in Nolan's universe. Let this be a stand-alone trilogy if Nolan moves on. I'll take more Batman, but it doesn't have to be limited by Nolan's vision, as much as I have enjoyed it so far.

Jayhawker wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

Hrm. I'm not going to go for anything certain, but if Nolan DOES make it Clayface, then he could be using it as a way to show how a fantastical character ought to be handled in his vision of Gotham. After all, this is a trilogy he said he was working on, so he may not be returning to the franchise. In that case, the best thing to do with your third film is try and leave it so whoever handles it next knows how to go from there.

Well, the studio may want that. But I would rather see a new director create their own version of Batman, rather than try to continue in Nolan's universe. Let this be a stand-alone trilogy if Nolan moves on. I'll take more Batman, but it doesn't have to be limited by Nolan's vision, as much as I have enjoyed it so far.

...which is the lesson Warner Bros. apparently learned after handing the first Batman franchise over to Joel Schumacher. I for one liked Tim Burton's vision in the first two...but trying to transplant that world into another director's work was...well, you've seen the result. And here we've got another very distinctive writer/director working with the property...bottom line, I totally agree with you.

Heads up:

Nolan to meet up with 6 actresses about TWO lead roles in Batman 3: One Love Interest, One Villain.

The six?

Naomi Watts
Anne Hathaway
Kiera Knightley
Natalie Portman
Rachel Weisz

and, uhm....

Blake Lively....really?

Full Article from Deadline:

http://www.deadline.com/2010/11/chris-nolan-lines-up-actresses-for-batfilm/

kexx wrote:

Blake Lively....really?

She's a hot commodity, emphasis on hot. Besides, she's playing the female lead in the Green Lantern movie so she now at least has experience in comic book films.

I'ma cross my fingers for Natalie Portman and...I guess Naomi Watts? I can't recall if I enjoyed her acting anywhere before, but I'm not much a fan of the other actresses. Well, I guess Kiera Nightley isn't bad, but she's definitely over-rated.

Huh.. it's like he's going through a wish-list of actresses that I've crushed on recently. First Katie Holmes, then Maggie Gyllenhaal, and now Rachel Weisz

Mmmm, Anne Hathaway.

She's definitely my number one pick, from that list, if the female villain turns out to be Catwoman.

Hmm... wonder if they're looking for a Catwoman, or a Talia. Time will tell I suppose.

Spoiler: In spirit of the escalation in Batman awesomeness, in the sports car double supermodel sandwich from "Batman Begins", the triple model helicopter entrance from "The Dark Knight", all 6 actresses will be Batman's new girlfriends.

Could it be possible for it to be both? Perhaps....Talia and whomever Tom Hardy is playing are the villains,

And Selina Kyle is longer on screen than Catwoman, much like how Harvey Dent and Twoface appeared?

Food for thought I guess....

Anne Hathaway does a lot of fluff, but don't underestimate her. Her talent is powerful, and can deliver. Same with Kiera Knightley.

Natalie Portman has always been one of my favorites, but somehow, I don't see her fitting in Nolan's world. Perhaps it's because she's already a "girlfriend" in upcoming THOR.

Rachel Weisz for me is a must. Her talent as well is uncanny, and I'd love to see her take on a villainous role.

Naomi Watts can be good with proper direction (21 grams) but can also feel rather flat (Eastern Promises). Personally, I think she's good, BUT, seems to be a little on the older side of Christian Bale, so I'm not too convinced....

Blake Lively? Sure, she's hot as hell, but I'm not convinced. Resumé is what? The Town and Gossip Girl? Upcoming Green Lantern? I don't know...

kexx wrote:

Rachel Weisz for me is a must. Her talent as well is uncanny, and I'd love to see her take on a villainous role.

I would love to see Rachel Weisz as a villain.

The only two there for me are Weisz and Hathaway. I just can't see Portman as not a terrible/kooky-role actress, Knightly... just meh - I've not seen her act well in anything. Watts and Lively i'm not familiar with at all so possibly i don't mind them.

Duoae wrote:

I just can't see Portman as not a terrible/kooky-role actress

Watch The Professional, as I recently have, and you'll realize her talent has been so horribly abused by assholes that don't know what to do with her.

As a villain, I'm wondering what Nolan would do with a female. Joker and Two-face were terribly twisted people, whereas Scarecrow and Ducard in Begins were played straight. I'm just wondering as he's more familiar with the territory, does he move into stronger depictions of the characters, so for instance catwoman would be embracing everything the character has going for it while keeping it vaguely plausible, rather than just a burglar.