I need some advice

I recommend doing what all other kids your age do when confronted with an opinion with which you disagree: turn away disinterested and say "whatever".

MyNameIsHunter wrote:
Chairman_Mao wrote:
MyNameIsHunter wrote:

My problem was that he wouldn't listen to reason, and would just resort to name calling and deprecating me, and to

Hobbes2099 wrote:

stuff

I'm 17

I hope he's 10.

He's 19

Ok. You're going to want to punch him in the balls. When he gets up to retaliate, pivot to avoid your own testicular collision and counter with a headlock. At this point, you mother or father should break you two up. He'll know who won.

Paleocon:

You're old, man. It's "whatevs."

Kidding. Don't kill me.

Thin_J wrote:

Simply put, you're both right... and you're both wrong. It's all opinion. You aren't going to change his and he isn't going to change yours. He has no obligation to "listen to reason" when no amount of reasoning is going to change his taste in videogames.

Coldstream and others covered the rest of it.

Some opinions are more right than others!

But yes, I agree. He's your brother. Don't argue with him to win, argue with him to have fun. Hair-pulling, infuriating fun.

Now if that doesn't work, point out that teenagers - be they 17 or 19 - don't know a whole lot about real-world gender relations beyond totally wanting to bone that chick. As he matures his opinion may change and as you experience life you'll pick up more ammo.

LarryC wrote:

Paleocon:

You're old, man. It's "whatevs."

Kidding. Don't kill me.

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Nosferatu wrote:
BlackSabre wrote:

What Coldstream said. Wise words, for a pompous douchebag.

FTFY ;)

I hate you so much, you stupid-face buttmunch.

Coldstream wrote:

Permit me to be blunt. One of the reasons that I'm proud to be a member of this online gathering is that we generally don't look down on people

Pfft, I do. I look down on people all the time. And now you can't look down on me for doing so.

Coldstream wrote:

Did GWJ suddenly start coming back as a search result for "good advice"?

Depends if there's a worse search engine than GWJ's.

He who cares least wins.

17/19

You're teenage brothers. You're supposed to fight, it's human nature.

Technically Bayonetta isn't sexist if you look at the title character as being a female sexual empowerment fantasy. She is no different than Marcus Fenix, really.

That's not to say I think she's interesting. As I said, she is no different than Marcus Fenix. The biggest reason she would come off as sexist is because we live in an age where feminism is...on a lot of different tracks? So while some might interpret her as being a sexist charicature, she does appeal to a fantasy in women just as much as Marcus Fenix being a macho guy slicing people up with chainsaw bayonettes appeals to the male fantasy.

In other words, you have to be willing to accept the very notion that you yourself are wrong before you start saying everything he believes in is incorrect. You're 17 and will (theoretically) be heading off to College soon. One more year and you could legally vote. It's time to start asking people why they think the way they do. If you disagree with your brother, don't tell him he's wrong because of X. Instead, ask him why he feels that way. Ask him questions in order to get him to figure out why he himself likes something.

He may not be able to, and he may never be able to. My sister has been bugging me to Netflix Gamer since she's already going through the Eureka DVD's, even though I already saw it with her and decided it was pretty mediocre material trying to have something to say. And it wasn't trying to say anything bad! I liked the social commentary it attempted to make, it was just the vehicle of the plot that failed to really grab. And yet she doesn't think about movies and entertainment like I do. She sat down, it fired up some electro-nodes in her grey matter, and thus she liked it.

If people aren't interested in asking why they like something, then don't bother trying to force them. Instead, share what similarities you do have with your sibling.

Yes gwj doesn't have people who argue the same point 20 pages in a row

mooosicle wrote:

Yes gwj doesn't have people who argue the same point 20 pages in a row

That's because you're fooling yourself, Moosicle. We're living in a dictatorship!

There is no freedom on this site. We need to blockade GWJ with a fleet of carriers.

LarryC wrote:

There is no freedom on this site. We need to blockade GWJ with a fleet of carriers.

Whatever Certis does, we better be ready!

Paleocon wrote:
LarryC wrote:

There is no freedom on this site. We need to blockade GWJ with a fleet of carriers.

Whatever Certis does, we better be ready!

There are 1300 missiles pointed at this thread!

Coldstream wrote:

I hate you so much, you stupid-face buttmunch.

And there's your comeback to use on your brother. Problem solved!

When he says something just point to your crotch and slowly nod your head while smirking. Don't say anything no matter what he says. Just keep pointing, smirking and nodding.

MrDeVil909 wrote:

17/19

You're teenage brothers. You're supposed to fight, it's human nature.

This is the correct answer. Even if you could change his mind (which you can't), you'd just have to find something else to fight about.

Tanglebones wrote:
Paleocon wrote:
LarryC wrote:

There is no freedom on this site. We need to blockade GWJ with a fleet of carriers.

Whatever Certis does, we better be ready!

There are 1300 missiles pointed at this thread!

Haha. Ironic. I love it.

Quintin_Stone wrote:
Coldstream wrote:

Permit me to be blunt. One of the reasons that I'm proud to be a member of this online gathering is that we generally don't look down on people

Pfft, I do. I look down on people all the time. And now you can't look down on me for doing so.

Why do you think he said we don't generally look down on people?

He meant you, Quintin. He meant you.

I have nothing constructive to add.

Fist+high velocity+his balls=doesn't want to fight anymore=you victory, kinda

Grenn wrote:

Fist+high velocity+his balls=doesn't want to fight anymore=you victory, kinda

My younger brother always had to get the last hit in, even if he hit me first, until I pulled the nuclear option. Then I just had to protectively cover my balls as I jumped over him, because he was usually crumpled in the doorway of his room, blocking the way out.

Bonus_Eruptus wrote:
Coldstream wrote:

Did GWJ suddenly start coming back as a search result for "good advice"?

Depends if there's a worse search engine than GWJ's.

A quick Google search using a few different terms got me a page 2 hit for gamerswithjobs. "need advice gamer"

This sounds a little like my relationship with my brother once upon a time. There is some good advice on this thread, which can be distilled to: just wait fifteen years.

It is fair to say that there is some room for subjectivity in taste, and occasionally enjoying "dumb" entertainment as well as high-minded stuff.

Blind_Evil wrote:
MyNameIsHunter wrote:

First off, my Brother is a douche bag. He is the real-life equivalent of someone who this forum looks down on. He thought Samus's characterization in Other M, Bayonnetta, and countless other Anime are mature and not-sexist. He thinks I am high-art/hippie minded, pompous asshole when I take positions on storytelling similar to Elysiums, and the rest of the conference call. This entry was written after an argument we had about that weird game Vanquish, which I think just looks kinda dumb and not fun, and he thinks it looks really fun and innovative. My plead for advice is, what can I do to counter these arguments. I have tried debating these, but he keeps just saying I am wrong and so on and so forth. Could you guys maybe help me out a little, give me some pointers on debating with douche bags, or maybe some good "zingers" to use to get him to shut his mouth.

Liking games that you don't like doesn't automatically make him a douchebag. I like Other M and Bayonetta (and the Vanquish demo!) and I'm not a douchebag.

Okay, maybe I am a douchebag. But almost everyone in the Vanquish thread was positive on the game, and they can't all be douchebags, right?

My roommate and I have frequent disagreements on games (he gets super pissed when I tell him Bioshock and the sequel were "solid 8s"), as we value things very differently. I'd suggest you just walk away from the argument and play what games you like. At the end of the day everyone is going to like what they like, and if you attack him for it you're likely to just make him more ardent in his defense of the game in question.

I'd like to debate you on the merits of two of those three games, but this isn't the games forum.

I didn't mean it like that, I meant that he was a douche bag who wont listen to other people's opinions, will completely say something is great even though he said that "Yes it is bad, but...", and storms out of the room whenever he doesn't get his way.

LarryC wrote:

If you don't like Vanquish and wish to tell him, then just tell him so and point out the specifics when asked.

Meaningful debate stands on mutual respect and an exchange of ideas. If neither of you are willing to consider that the other might have something useful to say, shut your mouths about it and talk about something better.

I tell him but he says, thats wrong, even though its your thats wrong. Also I ask him why he thinks so, and I just point out things that I find contradictory and he blows up and storms out the room.

LobsterMobster wrote:
Thin_J wrote:

Simply put, you're both right... and you're both wrong. It's all opinion. You aren't going to change his and he isn't going to change yours. He has no obligation to "listen to reason" when no amount of reasoning is going to change his taste in videogames.

Coldstream and others covered the rest of it.

Some opinions are more right than others!

But yes, I agree. He's your brother. Don't argue with him to win, argue with him to have fun. Hair-pulling, infuriating fun.

Now if that doesn't work, point out that teenagers - be they 17 or 19 - don't know a whole lot about real-world gender relations beyond totally wanting to bone that chick. As he matures his opinion may change and as you experience life you'll pick up more ammo.

Um. How did we get to "bone that chick", my experience (or lack their of) has nothing to do with this?

Quintin_Stone wrote:
Coldstream wrote:

Permit me to be blunt. One of the reasons that I'm proud to be a member of this online gathering is that we generally don't look down on people

Pfft, I do. I look down on people all the time. And now you can't look down on me for doing so.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

MyNameIsHunter wrote:
LarryC wrote:

If you don't like Vanquish and wish to tell him, then just tell him so and point out the specifics when asked.

Meaningful debate stands on mutual respect and an exchange of ideas. If neither of you are willing to consider that the other might have something useful to say, shut your mouths about it and talk about something better.

I tell him but he says, thats wrong, even though its your thats wrong. Also I ask him why he thinks so, and I just point out things that I find contradictory and he blows up and storms out the room.

And this is an issue because?

If he storms out every time he hears your opinion, then just don't give him your opinion. Just say yes and agree to everything he says - in his presence. If he takes you to task over this, you can then be honest and tell him that you don't really care about what he thinks, since he obviously doesn't care what you think. You just say yes to shut him up.