Israel leaning back to peace.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/992316.asp...

Are there term limits in Israel? I hope so. If not, I hope Sharon doesn't win again.

Geee...and to think the troubles between Israel and Palestinians are only three years old. Wow, it seems like about 50...

50?

If by 50 you mean near 5 centuries.

Which would be 50 decades if I were trying to cover for [Insert Word] Boy.

50?

If by 50 you mean near 5 centuries.

I thought that the Roman empire eliminated the Jewish population in the region in 133 AD after a series of rebellions. Then in the late 1800''s the Zionists began arriving back in Palastine. This would be just over 100 years.

Actually I even f*cked up. That should be 5 millenia.

The Hebrew calendar year is around 5000. They fought with Egyptians, Philistines Romans, and Greeks back then.

In fact there was quite a mix up back in Roman days. Jews got expelled, then were allowed back by other ruler, who`s strategy was to allow each tribe and country run their own religion, to avoid endless clashes.
The problem was that at the time Jews (part of them) were pretty much obsessed with world domination, as funny as it sounds. Because God had promised them world and so on. So they started to fight Romans, who at the end simply wiped them out of place again and Jews became state-less again.
Although, at the time, terms like ""state"" or ""nation"" didnt really exist the way we see them today.

"Dirt" wrote:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/992316.asp...

Are there term limits in Israel? I hope so. If not, I hope Sharon doesn''t win again.

How did you find out about these forums? I checked your history and you''ve mainly only posted on this forum.

"Most" wrote:

The problem was that at the time Jews (part of them) were pretty much obsessed with world domination, as funny as it sounds. Because God had promised them world and so on. So they started to fight Romans, who at the end simply wiped them out of place again and Jews became state-less again.

What are you smoking? World domination? When? If you have a source for this, I would be interested in reading it. I recall that God only promised them the ""promised land"".

"Ulairi" wrote:
"Dirt" wrote:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/992316.asp...

Are there term limits in Israel? I hope so. If not, I hope Sharon doesn''t win again.

How did you find out about these forums? I checked your history and you''ve mainly only posted on this forum.

Are you stalking me?

Broken, whats so surprising in the fact? World domination has been on agenda for Christians, Jews and Muslims. And remember, that ""world"" then didnt mean the ""world we know today, it was much smaller.

Very good and insigtful book is
Karen Armstrong`s ""Holy War"" which looks at the history of holy wars of *all three* religions. There`s been quite a share and every religion has contributed.

mkay, taking wars fought ""in the name of God"" by some nation, most notably the crusades, and claiming that their religion (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) advocates this activity stands on somewhat shaky ground. These wars were fought for power and political gain by a ruling class veiled as an act of God, when in fact, neither Judaism nor Christianity supports dominating the world by force or violence. (Nothing against Islam, but I''m just not as certain as to it''s justification as to the use of violent force)

Now, taking that further and saying that just because a nation like Israel is predominantly Jewish (either in name, culturally, or in faith) infers that they want to take over the world? I think Israel just want''s to maintain it''s own sovereignty as a nation, much less take over the world. That''s just kooky.

*edit: also, Armstrong''s definitely got an axe to grind as she''s an ex-nun who left the Catholic church, with a bit of bitterness on the side. That book is very biased against the Catholic church I would say.

ugh

Umm, Broken Crayon, there is kind of misunderstanding here, I guess. I am talking about part of the Jews who interpreted certain scriptures in a certain way *long time ago*. I can not find any references in my post to current situation, help me out here.

Book of Daniel and Book of Jubilees spoke about apocalyptic battles of great armies of God fighting evil. All nations of the world gathering at the Mount of Olives and God himself would lead Jews into final battle against his enemies. Then the kingdom of God would be established and world would be ruled by Jews as his special people.

At the time, Jews had been expelled from their land and then again invited back when emperor changed. Part of Jews returned while others didnt believe that it would last for long and thought that it is time for a divine battle. Ironically, it didnt really last for long because those extremist Jews started fighting Romans and finally Romans wiped out everyone and left Jewish land to pagans. So basically, some of Jews spoiled the life of those who had settled down again.

Again, I was refering to past, not today. And the truth is - past isnt too bloodless for Jews (as for any other people on the world) - what do you think - when Jews arrived at their land, no one was living there? They followed quite a bloody directions""- God specifically forbid them to assimilate in Promised Land, they were to kill every male, every female and every kid, then burn the city down, level pagan temples, to start from scratch.
Scriptures tell about as much as twelve thousand killed people per city.

Now, it doesnt make them worse then Christians or Muslims, however, I highly doubt it makes them better. And rightfully claim a land as theirs, as if they had lived there forever, is silly.

My ancestors inhabited area around Moscow once. If now Latvia would claim Moscow district, Russians would go spare. And rightfully so.

what do you think - when Jews arrived at their land, no one was living there? They followed quite a bloody directions""- God specifically forbid them to assimilate in Promised Land, they were to kill every male, every female and every kid, then burn the city down, level pagan temples, to start from scratch.
Scriptures tell about as much as twelve thousand killed people per city.

What scriptures are these?

No wonder antisemitism is on the rise in Europe if this garbage is what passes for the bible.

Its Joshua 8, and it might be a little different from colored children Bibles, each 25 pages in large print.

You are right in that Israel has a quite bloody past. That I cannot defend. My point was that your statement above went a bit too far with the accusation of the desire for world domination.

I know that we are re-hashing arguments discussed in this forum months ago, but much of the responsibility for reaching towards peace lies with the Palestinian people. It''s VERY difficult to reach any sort of aggreement between peoples living in the same space if there is the constant threat of death to innocent people by people crazy enough to blow themselves up in a crowded pizza parlor. There hasn''t been any stop to this sensless killing. Israel has actually been fairly conciliatory, but when your citizens'' life are threatened in this way, sometimes militarization is the only recourse.

But, perhaps I''m wrong. Perhaps there''s a better way, but I don''t see it.

Fang, Most is correct with the Joshua 8 account. Part of the deal with entering the promised land was to remove it''s then current inhabitants. They were not to intermarry with them. As God''s judgement for the evil misdeeds of the nations occupying that land, Joshua and the Israelites were to wipe them out and take the land.

Is this when the battle of Jericho occurred?

You know the one where he marched around the walls of the city til they came tumbling down.

Broken Crayon, I wasnt trying to say that Isreal is planning world domination now. As I said, it was a long time ago and fights were conducted by a minority of Jews.
If I mention that Hitler was obsessed with world domination, it doesnt mean I say that Germany today is planning to take over the world, nor it makes me anti-german.

Who ought to give hand first in Middle East, yes, its a tough question. I`m not exactly pro-Palestinian. however, I do understand that they might have a sore feeling about all this.

Just after Jericho

No race of peoples are innocent. All have blood on their hands.

Having blood on your hands and seeking world domination are 2 very different things. If I may paraphrase BrokenCrayon in the preceding sentence.

Oh I love to read about European''s pontifications about the Jews. It''s always so....enlightening.

I think we have driften pretty far away from initial posts. And I am guilty of this as well.

(Most 1.1) In the beggining there was a Question of how old is the conflict between Israeli and Palestinians. And it was good.

(Most 1.2) There was an Answer that conflict is longer than 50 years and even longer than 100 years. And it was good as well.

(Most 1.3) Then there was a Remark that Romans wiped out Israelis long time ago and only recently childred of Ziona started to make efforts to come back again. And mind you, there was nothing wrong with the Remark.

(Most 1.4) Then there was a foolish attempt of a manchild Most to tell why exactly Romans wiped out Israelis. And it was Bad, because the Flow of the Discussion went Somewhere Far Away.

(Most 2.1) And Most stared at the Flow and understood that it is not a River, but Soil which is moving.

Why, I`m always glad to enlighten, Lawyeron. You`re on right track, following the path of research, not polarised TV statements from people who ignore history books, prefering opinion polls instead.

(edited: smiley)

Today''s opinion polls will be tomorrow''s history books.

Sure. Then how about reading a bit of yesterday`s ""opinion polls"" ? Could even help to ""tomorrows history boooks"", who knows.

In case you haven''t noticed my posts lately Most, I''m a new man. I''m more tolerant of other people''s views now. I can barely stand myself.

Yeah, I know the feeling. Like wanting to slap yourself just because youre so darn tolerate.

*muffled slapping sounds*