Maybe our European friends can explain this one...

From CNN

Look, I don't like the Administration, but even I don't think they're capable of this. Conspiracies can't work if the people running them are dumb as door-knobs.

Well, that''s fair, I guess. The majority of Americans believe the 911 hijackers were Iraqi....

There is this really radical anti-war and anti-US thing going on in Europe, and to be honest, I''m appalled by it. I was only after I had started seriously reading the posts on this forum that I started to see through the ENORMOUS liberal bias most European media puts you through. Look, I disagree with very much of what the more conservative posters here say but they at least opened my eyes on the idiotic situation here in the EU.

You know what Koesj, you just made my day.

I don''t care if you agree with me, or any of the other conservative viewpoints expressed here. The first step in making things better is to acknowledge that there are other ideas out there and stop letting the mass media make decisions for us.

The news story doesn''t surprise me at all. Hell, sometimes I think Rat believes that as well (I know better, so don''t get your panties in a bunch Rat).

So the German people are mad at the German news for the German media not correctly reporting the Iraqi conflict so they are mad at the US? Am I the only person not getting this? Why do they have these conspiracies against the US government when it is their media outlets that they feel is not telling the complete truth?

It''s like the Yankees/Lakers syndrome, I think.

Thanks Johnny. I think hearing a different take on a story is always a good thing considering that it broadens your horizons. Here in Europe, it''s very hard to reach out for different opinions considering most of the media here are very liberally biased.

Oh man! Dont tell me thats gonna stick. The Lakers are the Yankees of the NBA.

The Lakers are much more socially redeaming than the Yankees!

Doesn''t surprise me one damn bit.

Look, I don''t like the Administration, but even I don''t think they''re capable of this. Conspiracies can''t work if the people running them are dumb as door-knobs.

Since the planning for September 11 started prior to the Bush Administration, are you willing to concede that the Clinton administration lacked the smarts to enact such a plot. Maybe in retaliation for the theft of the 2000 election?

The charge was against the Bush Administration, not the Clinton Administration. I don''t think he''d plan to blow up the very building he was trying to rent office space in.

I agree with Koesj as I get to read most of the European papers every day, there''s way too much anti-US mudslinging going on, it seems like if there''s a problem anywhere it''s somehow related to the US and the war on Iraq. Now normally I''ve avoided the politics sectionas I get enough of politics everyday and a gaming sites the last place I want to read it but I just have to say that a lot of people in Europe should stop blaming the US for everything and making up plainly ludicrous scenarios like that.

The problem is only going to get worse as Europe is moving more to the left and the States is moving more to the right. That is why Tony Blair is so important.

"Ulairi" wrote:

That is why Tony Blair is so important.

That is why Tony Blair will be out of a job in the near future.

That is why Tony Blair will be out of a job in the near future.

And will be replaced by a conservative.

Labour still controls Parliament; they''ll just choose a more liberal and anti-American person for PM.

Indeed, and the conservatives have gone down the drain since all the scandals popped up, hell even the liberal democrats are bigger contenders.

Oh, Europe is not the only one. If they conducted polls in the rest of America, you''d find a good percentage of people who agreed.

"Mex" wrote:

Oh, Europe is not the only one. If they conducted polls in the rest of America, you''d find a good percentage of people who agreed.

Which is why we need to pull back all forign aid for six months.

Which will automatically create even more ''friends'' to redecorate your city''s skyline!

Which will automatically create even more ''friends'' to redecorate your city''s skyline!

Arguably the second most offensive thing I have heard on these boards. Very out of line.

I don''t think that withdrawing foreign aid from Europe would create a bunch of French terrorists running around.

Arguably the second most offensive thing I have heard on these boards. Very out of line.

Wait I just remembered I shouldn''t ventilate personal problems on a web message board, my bad!

I don''t think that withdrawing foreign aid from Europe would create a bunch of French terrorists running around.

Foreign aid to the EU? What? Proof. Anyway, there are enough idiotic French ''terrorists'' who blow up Mc Donalds'' and stuff, they just are quite pathetic and in no way capable of doing REALLY bad things.

Nevermind, sorry for the misunderstanding.

I find it pretty funny when all of you call polls useless some threads back ( http://www.gamerswithjobs.com/index.... ) and all out of a sudden this poll proves the liberal bias of the Europena media and that 30% of the young germans are nutballs that believe in conspiracy theories? You do not even know if the questions asked where suggestive in any way.

Some more numbers: Roughly 50% of the Germans use the internet daily. Given that the majority of these are aged below 30 and that people below 30 generally have a more liberal view in things. There are thousands of sites out there on the net and even a well known online magazine called telepolis made a satirical series just about conspiracy theories related to 9/11 (starting with this one: http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/html/...).
That and the fact that all proofs for Al Quaeda being behind 9/11 were only shown behind closed doors and the fact that several of the ""proofs"" for WMDs in Iraq were just made up, makes you wonder that people feel they are being lied to? And that is what the polls says: People feel they are being lied to. And since all people search for reasons for this a lot of these whackos come up with strange ideas about conspiracy theories.

Unrelated to that poll but more about EU politics in general - about that Liberal/Conservative debate. Political wise there is no such difference in Germany any more. And in other countries it is going the same way. The big parties may call themselves that and that is all that separates them - their labels. This was most obvious on emotional topics like the pre Iraq affairs here and during the flood one year ago. The opposition could not win because their position is the same as the one of the party currently in charge. In the end an even number of people voted for both, that must have hurt both parties :).
Third I fail to see where the media in germany has an extreme liberal bias. Of course there are more liberal magazines out there. But there is a good amount of Conservative media freely available for everyone.

- Sorry for the rant.

He''s got a point. I guess if 50 odd percent of the US said that they didn''t trust the Administration''s Iraq evidence in a poll should be thrown out, these findings should too.

proves the liberal bias of the Europena media

What do you consider liberal? I think what Americans (most Americans) think of liberal and what you Europeans do is very different.

I think this is a little beyond liberal. The only other loony, wide-held belief about 9-11 I''ve seen that comes close is the belief on the Muslim street that the Israelis were behind 9-11 to get the Americans to fight Arabs.

beyond liberal is an understatement here :). Believing in a conspiracy behind 9/11 and especially Israel behind 9/11 is just nuts.

While we are at such sick ideas: Anyone remember the first episode of the Lone Gunmen? In that episode the CIA plans a terrorist attack on the Twin Towers with a remote control installed in a jet plane. Was that episode aired before 9/11 btw? I saw it the first time the January after the incident and felt a bit sick about the bitter irony in it.

Ulairi: You are correct. What I consider liberal you would call communist ;). Jokes aside I agree, that the EU in general is more to the left of how you define Liberal. So from that POV there is a liberal bias in our press, but nobody here would call it that and for the EU I''d say there is no real bias for or against anything. And I have to say that there is no such thing as a general Anti-US theme in the media. So answer me this question: If we all were so Anti-US why is there such a large interest in US affairs then?

EDIT: I really can''t type tonight

So answer me this question: If we all were so Anti-US why is there such a large interest in US affairs then?

Two words: David Hasselhoff

Let''s sing: I''ve been looking for freedom....

Now those were embarrassing times. I found tow cassettes of him in the cellar recently. It''s a horror, my ears were melting after the first accors already. You think they will give me anything for these on ebay?

LG aired and was cancelled before 9-11, if I remember right. An episode of Family Guy was edited in a post-9-11 repeat to take out a bin Ladin sketch. Ironic, since series creator and voice actor Seth McFarlane was 10 minutes late in catching one of the hijacked flights. The series premiere of 24 edited out the actual visual of the plane exploding. The pilot of The Agency was scrapped at the last minute because it involved an al-Qaeda plot to blow up a rather famous department store in London. The Simpsons episode involving Homer at the World Trade Center was shelved in syndication repeats and I haven''t seen it come up. After the anthrax attacks, the Seinfeld episode where George''s fiance died by licking too many envelopes was taken out of rotation for about a year.

Sorry for the tangent, but the LG remark reminded me of the TV industry''s over-sensitivity after 9-11. Sure, you can''t have a show about people fighting al-Qaeda or visiting the WTC, but you can have the news replay the footage of the airliner slamming into the south tower over and over again.