MMA Catch All Thread.

Brizahd wrote:

Isn't Bobby set to fight Bob Sapp? They're already filiming TUF 10 according to a Dana blog.

Yeah, they're fighting on 6/27 but I'm thinking the TUF 10 tryouts were held before this fight got announced.

I hope Lashley destroys Sapp in spectacular fashion and moves on the legitimate opponents.

There isn't a LHW or HW on the UFC roster who wouldn't completely walk through Kimbo. They'll pull in ratings, he'll lose his only fight on the show, get another crack or two at the can after on fight night cards, lose those and go back to being a nobody.

Can't happen soon enough as far as I'm concerned.

Sinatar wrote:

There isn't a LHW or HW on the UFC roster who wouldn't completely walk through Kimbo. They'll pull in ratings, he'll lose his only fight on the show, get another crack or two at the can after on fight night cards, lose those and go back to being a nobody.

Can't happen soon enough as far as I'm concerned.

I'm no MMA geek but I enjoy the sport, and I'm a little confused at all the Kimbo hate around here. To me he's shown respect for the MMA and been impressive in the ring with the limited training he's had. If anything I think CBS and EliteXC should be hated on for marketing him as top-tier MMA when he was brand new. They did it for the money and he fights for the money, so interests are aligned. I can't wait to see how he does on TUF, because I think with the right amount of training and working out he could be crazy in a MMA ring. You can't deny his toughness and attitude, which is sorely lacking in most TUF contestants - just look at the pansies they've got on the show this season. The toughest SOB there couldn't fight because he gags on his mouthpiece.

ScurvyDog wrote:

I'm a little confused at all the Kimbo hate around here.

That's easy: He's overhyped and under-talented. Sure, he might get better (see Lesner, Brock), but he might not.

Also consider this: Kimbo goes from being the star of one sanctioning body to living in a house with a bunch of other sweaty dudes who can't wait to kick his @ss. (Maybe he'll luck out and get the top bunk. Who knows?)

True, The Ultimate Fighter has produced some genuine stars, and the show has been a remarkable tool for the UFC, but the show has become barely watchable. But, hey, I might could be convinced to watch the Kimbo Freak Show.

Enix wrote:
ScurvyDog wrote:

I'm a little confused at all the Kimbo hate around here.

That's easy: He's overhyped and under-talented.

You didn't quote enough of my post. My point was that neither of which are his fault, but the fault of CBS and EliteXC for selling him as uber when he's obviously not. And TUF is hard to watch now because it's NOT full of sweaty dudes looking to kick someone's ass, but full of nice guys rather than hungry guys who were born to fight.

It's funny how everyone overlooks the fact that Kimbo's quite the intimidating guy because he got caught with the perfect shot in a first round...I'd actually call it a victory if Dana and company actually found a house-full of guys completely willing to go in and bang with Kimbo for a spot on a reality show. I actually really hope it happens, because it'll be the best season yet.

ScurvyDog wrote:

You didn't quote enough of my post. ...

That's because I was responding to only a part of it.

I suspect hard-core fans (or fans harder-core than me at least) hate Kimbo because he became the public face of MMA thanks to the CBS/Elite XC deal and not because of anything he had earned in the ring CBS/Elite were hoping Kimbo's YouTube fame would translate into ratings and profits. Instead it became a big fat flabby joke.

MMA has enough credibility problems as it is, and that sideshow freak Kimbo made it look more like pro wrestling than any sort of legitimate athletic endeavor. Worse, Kimbo's gelatin chin showed that he wasn't a very good fighter.

That brings us to TUF. Every reality show needs a villain (see Browning, Junie), and that's Kimbo's role. Period. Whether or not he develops as a fighter is secondary. It's a win either way.

Kimbo is definitely good TV -- I agree with you on that point, ScurvyDog. Dana has outdone himself this time.

Kimbo == Sideshow.

That is why I do not like him - granted that is more the fault of Elite XC/CBS - but I just don't care for the sideshow types.

Anyway, I think it the Kimbo/NFL player angle that seems to be TUF 10 will get them some huge ratings numbers. Not sure what it will do for their HW roster tho.

Enix wrote:
ScurvyDog wrote:

You didn't quote enough of my post. ...

Every reality show needs a villain (see Browning, Junie)

What a d-bag that guy was (and still is, I'd imagine).

Anyone catch last night's TUF? Nick Osipczak vs DaMarques Johnson was actually a pretty decent fight!

ScurvyDog wrote:

Anyone catch last night's TUF? Nick Osipczak vs DaMarques Johnson was actually a pretty decent fight!

Nick got in a good flurry at the end of round one, but otherwise it was a very one-sided match. DaMarques is by far the best welter in the group this time around.

It's fights like that one that make you realize the vast gulf between these amateurs and top-flight pros. The flurry at the end of round 1 was tremendous, but the rest of the fight was pretty sloppy and listless. Both guys were completely out of gas at the end of round 2. I don't see how those guys get through 15 minutes, much less 10.

Enix wrote:

It's fights like that one that make you realize the vast gulf between these amateurs and top-flight pros. The flurry at the end of round 1 was tremendous, but the rest of the fight was pretty sloppy and listless. Both guys were completely out of gas at the end of round 2. I don't see how those guys get through 15 minutes, much less 10.

Round 3 was a bit like zombies from L4D flailing at each other. They were gassed for sure. I thought it was a good matchup though, for this year's bunch of mediocrity.

Interesting article on Brett Rogers. He's fighting Arlovski this Sat. on Showtime @ 10.

Reminder:

[url=http://www.strikeforce.com/schedule/... tonight @ 10pm EST (Showtime)
[/url]

Highlights:

Robbie Lawler (16-4) vs. Jake Shields (22-4-1) – 3X5 – 185Lbs
Andrei “The Pitbull” Arlovski (15-6) vs. Brett “The Grim” Rogers (9-0) 3X5

[url=http://www.wec.tv/index.cfm?fa=event... Card tomorrow @ 9pm EST (Versus)[/url]

Highlights:

Mike Brown Vs. Urijah Faber
Josh Grispi Vs. Jens Pulver

93_confirmed wrote:

Reminder:

[url=http://www.strikeforce.com/schedule/... tonight @ 10pm EST (Showtime)
[/url]

Highlights:

Robbie Lawler (16-4) vs. Jake Shields (22-4-1) – 3X5 – 185Lbs
Andrei “The Pitbull” Arlovski (15-6) vs. Brett “The Grim” Rogers (9-0) 3X5

Hopefully the Wings will build up a cushy lead in the first two periods so I won't have to flip back and forth too much.

I'm really interested in seeing Brett Rogers. He was supposed to be fighing the current champ but he got a hand injury during a massive club brawl.

Wow. AA got KTFO in Round 1. Rogers will probably be fighting the heavyweight champ - Alistair Overeem on the 8/15 card, which also features the highly anticipated Gina Carano vs. Cyborg fight!

Man good thing I didn't put any money down on this Strikeforce event, I'd be a poor man.

Take this submission please. Just stop punching me.

CannibalCrowley wrote:

Take this submission please. Just stop punching me.

I assume you're referring to Scott Smith. I was impressed with Nick Diaz punching speed and accuracy but he seems like an even worse showboater and sh*t talker than Rashad. Was Diaz always like this? Is he one of these 'mad at the world' type of fighters?

93_confirmed wrote:
CannibalCrowley wrote:

Take this submission please. Just stop punching me.

I assume you're referring to Scott Smith. I was impressed with Nick Diaz punching speed and accuracy but he seems like an even worse showboater and sh*t talker than Rashad. Was Diaz always like this? Is he one of these 'mad at the world' type of fighters?

He has always fought like that. He always sticks his chin out, constantly talks to his opponent and waves his arms around.

Pulver got caught in a guillotine early and tapped just 33 seconds in. He's been on a recent skid and now that he lost this, should consider dropping the "R" word soon.

This card does disappoint in terms of excitement. One of the fights just ended with a NASTY flying knee to the eye within the first 5 seconds. TKO.

EDIT: Next fight after this, guy has his opponent up against the cage while their both standing and then he jumps into a triangle choke position! As soon as they land, he locks it in and get ths sub about a minute later. Amazing BJJ in action right there.

93_confirmed wrote:

Pulver got caught in a guillotine early and tapped just 33 seconds in. He's been on a recent skid and now that he lost this, should consider dropping the "R" word soon.

This card does disappoint in terms of excitement. One of the fights just ended with a NASTY flying knee to the eye within the first 5 seconds. TKO.

EDIT: Next fight after this, guy has his opponent up against the cage while their both standing and then he jumps into a triangle choke position! As soon as they land, he locks it in and get ths sub about a minute later. Amazing BJJ in action right there.

I've been very impressed by the lower weight classes tonight, esp. That fight between Jurgensen and the guy from The Pit had a lot of guts in it. And 'wow' at the flying knee. Too bad that Pulver looks finished, but they gave him the chance for a nice good-bye talk, and the audience seemed genuinely receptive.

Edit: Dang. I feel like a little baby after watching the title fight. You could see his hand swelling as they announced the decision.

Enix wrote:

It's fights like that one that make you realize the vast gulf between these amateurs and top-flight pros. The flurry at the end of round 1 was tremendous, but the rest of the fight was pretty sloppy and listless. Both guys were completely out of gas at the end of round 2. I don't see how those guys get through 15 minutes, much less 10.

I think most watchers of MMA truly underestimate the level of conditioning, pain tolerance, and simple athleticism of those athletes. I just resaw the Silva-Henderson fight with a friend who tried to tell me that the curved knees to the thigh that Henderson was hitting Silva with were a waste of time. So I stood him up and hit him with the most casual curved knee to the thigh as I could.

He iced it for the rest of the night.

Why ya'll hate on Kimbo so much?

Has he been disrespectful in victory or defeat? Even in his youtube beatdowns he was there to do a job and he did it.

I can't help but feel there is a little thug stereotyping bouncing around here.

Kimbo Slice may not be a top notch fighter but he has put himself out there on many occasions and there is no doubt the guy has balls.

Is he trying to cash in? Yeah. Is there anything wrong with that?

I mean...it's one thing to say that the guy lacks the necessary skill to compete at a high level. It's entirely something else to disparage him as a human being and calling him a "sideshow freak".

I'm sorry..but this guy is a warrior. Maybe not the best warrior but a warrior none-the-less.

The speech he gave after his loss to that pink haired dude showed more class than the insults that have been tossed against him throughout this entire thread.

I don't have any problems with Kimbo and I'm looking forward in seeing how he does on the Ultimate Fighter. I watched most of his fights on Elite XC. The people he fought didn't exactly have the best records. James Thompson's is 14-10-0, Tank's is 10-14-0, Bo Cantrell's is 10-11-0. These guys were also fighting Kimbo after a series of losses too. James was coming off of 2, Tank coming off of 3, and Cantrell was coming off of 4. Seth Petruzelli was the only one who has a decent record which is 10-4-0. It just seemed Elite XC was feeding Kimbo some easy fights. I think they made a mistake having Kimbo fight Seth when Ken dropped out from a cut. They should have had him Fight Frank Shamrock. That way if he lost it wouldn't be as big a deal as it was losing to Seth in a few seconds. Plus if he happened to beat Frank well that would've been huge for him.

The fighters put themselves in the public spotlight. I've said stuff about Matt Serra, Matt Hughes, Tim Sylvia, Mike Bisping, Melvin Guillard, and recently the Browning brothers. Now I don't know any of these fighters personally only just what I see on tv and hear in interviews. Not hate or anything personal for me, just find those fighters to be annoying in some way. Probably forgetting a bunch too.

Also don't see a lot of Kimbo hate in the thread. Out of 9 pages so far he is mentioned on page 1 once, page 6 once, page 8 and page 9 a few times. He has come up recently only because the news recently came out he took Dana up on the TUF invite. Kimbo isn't being singled out, people have talked bad about other fighters in this thread too.

Yeah looking back through the thread there isn't as much hate as my post implied. I've been surfing a few other mma forums and I think that post was made out of the sheer weight of Kimbo hate in the mma online community. I should know better to expect a more reasoned debate on GWJ so sorry for the rant. Still, I gotta say the guy deserves a little respect.

In other news I hate Gina Carano with a passion. She is nothing but a no-skill sideshow freak tomato can who only gets press because she looks passably decent to people with glaucoma. I hope that Cyborg gets on top of her and forces her to submit as they sweatily grapple on the...uhm...yeah.

***This post was in no way influenced by the fact that Gina has not responded to the last 47 letters that I sent her. Once I drop 40 pounds and have a sex change operation I'm totally going to own her on American Gladiators.

I think the "hate" you might be seeing for Kimbo on this board is much akin to the hate folks have for Michelle Wie. That is that they are both phenoms who seem to be famous just for being famous. Neither of them possesses the skill or talent to compete with actual men, neither has actually won anything for real, and both seem compelled to occupy a spot that really belongs to someone who has put in the work to obtain it.

My mind is now malfunctioning.

If you are famous for being famous what came first? The fame or the....fame.

*queue Fame theme*

"We're gonna live for-ev-ah
we're gonna learn how to fly
FAME"

Seriously though...at least Kimbo has video of him beating the ever loving crap out of random d00ds.

Michelle Wie plays golf.

You know...I think I sense a promoters dream match here.

WIE VS KIMBO IN CAGE FIGHT!

If Wie gets to use her 9-iron what would you put the odds at?

TheArtOfScience wrote:

My mind is now malfunctioning.

If you are famous for being famous what came first? The fame or the....fame.

*queue Fame theme*

"We're gonna live for-ev-ah
we're gonna learn how to fly
FAME"

Seriously though...at least Kimbo has video of him beating the ever loving crap out of random d00ds.

Michelle Wie plays golf.

You know...I think I sense a promoters dream match here.

WIE VS KIMBO IN CAGE FIGHT!

If Wie gets to use her 9-iron what would you put the odds at?

Kimbo has video of him beating the crap out of folks with little or no real fight training. They're just a bunch of musclebound "tough guys" who throw punches like girls. The one time he actually encountered an Irish cop (overweight and over the hill as he was), he got the everloving crap beat out of him even after his buddy with the man dress stopped the fight midway to give him a breather.

Just about every backyard brawler thinks they have the stuff to compete in the sport. Just like every high school jock thinks they can play in the NFL. That's what shows like "Pros vs. Joes" or "4th and Long" are for. The reality is that, just like every other sport with elite athletes, they are deluding themselves.

Kimbo is just another one of those backyard brawlers. He just happened to have a bunch of Youtube videos and some good promotion. He's the Cindy Margolis of fighting sports. At least Cindy is easier to look at.