Roadmap to peace dead; corpse repeatedly hit with rocks

From CNN

Aside from the people caught in the crossfire, who are the losers in this roadmap debacle?

The whole world.

All right. Out of the three parties involved at Aqaba, who lost big?

The guys who will eventually go nuke to save their own country, there are infinitely more arabs than jews in the ME, it''s a question of bare-bones darwinism. /cynicism

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/sp...

Behind-the-scenes exchanges between President
George Bush and Prime Minister Ariel Sharon at
last week''s Aqaba summit may hint at a certain
shift in the American stance, from the Israeli to
the Palestinian side, according to a participant
in the three-way meeting of the delegations.

The source quoted Bush as
telling his National Security
Adviser Condoleezza Rice that
""I see that we have a problem
with Sharon,"" while saying of
the Palestinians led by Prime
Minister Mahmoud Abbas, ""We
can work with them.""

At one point, an irked Bush

reportedly rebuked Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz,
telling him ""Oh, but I think that you can [help
the Palestinians]. And I think that you will.""

At the advance request of Israel at the summit,
Bush''s aides had put security problems at the top
of the agenda for discussion. ""The first thing
that Bush was required to talk about was
security,"" the participant said, adding, ""It was
a request of the Israelis. So [Bush] asked Dahlan
to give a briefing.""

According to the source, Dahlan gave an excellent
five-minute synopsis of the situation, and
concluded by saying to Bush: ""There are some
things we can do and some things we cannot. We
will do our best. But we will need help.""

Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz burst in at the end
of Dahlan''s presentation and said: ""Well, they
won''t be getting any help from us; they have
their own security service.""

You could see that Bush was irritated, the
participant said, and Bush turned on Mofaz
angrily: ""Their own security service? But you
have destroyed their security service.""

Mofaz shook his head and said: ""I do not think
that we can help them, Mr. President,"" - to which
Bush said: ""Oh, but I think that you can. And I
think that you will.""

Then Bush turned to Abbas - again according to a
script insisted on by the Israelis - and said:
""Mr. Prime Minister, perhaps you could give an
overview of the situation in the West Bank and
Gaza.""

Abbas outlined the increasingly dire situation of
the territories, saying that the humanitarian
crisis was deepening, and that while recent
actions of the finance minister had eased the
problems, the insertion of new funding was
necessary.

Sharon then interrupted and said: ""The insertion
of new funding must be dependent on your good
behavior."" Bush was again visibly irritated:
""You should release their money as soon as
possible. This will help the situation.""

Sharon shook his head: ""We have to deal with
security first, and we will condition the release
of their monies on this alone."" Bush peered at
Sharon: ""But it is their money ..."" Sharon
said: ""Nevertheless, Mr. President ..."" and Bush
interrupted him: ""It is their money, give it to
them.""

After that meeting, Bush turned to National
Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and said, ""We
have a problem with Sharon I can see, but I like
that young man [Dahlan] and I think their prime
minister is incapable of lying. I hope that they
will be successful. We can work with them.""

Bush was also pleased with the determination with
which Abbas rebuffed pressure from his ministers,
Nabil Sha''ath and Yasser Abed Rabbo, to toughen
the language of the Abbas speech, which he had
agreed upon with the American delegation before
the summit. They said it would cause trouble in
the Palestinian Authority. They argued heatedly
with Abbas about his comments, at one point in
front of the president. But Abbas insisted that
his remarks follow the outlines set out by Bush.

Bush watched the interplay and was pleased that
Abbas agreed to the American president''s
suggestions on the draft remarks: ""If you will
just do this, I pledge to you we will get where
your colleagues want you to go. But we are going
to take one step at a time.""

Sounds like Bush was really trying to get a lot done in Aqaba only to have it fall apart. That may explain why he looked so exasperated and tired when he spoke in front of Marine 1 today. I think he was trying to get a breakthrough akin to the Camp David or Oslo Accords and start a reputation as a peacemaker. Pity it had to die off so quickly.

Bush a peacemaker? Very funny.

After this last year and what has been brought to public attention recently, I don''t think I need to qualify my last statement at all.

"Gaald" wrote:

Bush a peacemaker? Very funny.

After this last year and what has been brought to public attention recently, I don''t think I need to qualify my last statement at all.

Yes because we all know peace is the absense of war. *cough*

"Gaald" wrote:

Bush a peacemaker? Very funny.

After this last year and what has been brought to public attention recently, I don''t think I need to qualify my last statement at all.

No, I really think you should. You know, to avoid looking like a partisan troll.

"Ulairi" wrote:

Yes because we all know peace is the absense of war. *cough*

Well, it certainly isn''t what''s been going on lately.

"Rat Boy" wrote:
"Ulairi" wrote:

Yes because we all know peace is the absense of war. *cough*

Well, it certainly isn''t what''s been going on lately.

With Israel and the PLO? Nope.

No, I really think you should. You know, to avoid looking like a partisan troll.

If you read the majority of the posts in this forum section there should be no doubt as to why I laugh when I hear Bush a Peacemaker.

"Gaald" wrote:
No, I really think you should. You know, to avoid looking like a partisan troll.

If you read the majority of the posts in this forum section there should be no doubt as to why I laugh when I hear Bush a Peacemaker.

Explain it. Except for the fact that Bush is the Satan and likes to eat small children and take away food from old people.

C''mon Ulairi, Bush may very well be remembered for a lot of thing, but being a great proponent of peace is certainly not going to be one of them. Peace may not be the absense of war alone, but his BS about it being a last resort rings false to a lot of people. That''s not to say that everyone disagrees with his decisions. Actually, it seems a lot of Americans get their rocks off when we start bombing poor third world nations, so he''s only giving the audience what they want I suppose.

But, Bush a peacemaker? No, I just don''t see it.

"Elysium" wrote:

C''mon Ulairi, Bush may very well be remembered for a lot of thing, but being a great proponent of peace is certainly not going to be one of them. Peace may not be the absense of war alone, but his BS about it being a last resort rings false to a lot of people. That''s not to say that everyone disagrees with his decisions. Actually, it seems a lot of Americans get their rocks off when we start bombing poor third world nations, so he''s only giving the audience what they want I suppose.

But, Bush a peacemaker? No, I just don''t see it.

What do you consider peace? I do not consider the status quo peace. Keeping tyrants in power isn''t peace.

Was Clinton called a warmonger when we bombed Kosovo?

"Ulairi" wrote:

What do you consider peace? I do not consider the status quo peace. Keeping tyrants in power isn''t peace.

We still don''t have peace. There''s still a de facto war going on all over the world that America has its hands in.

"Rat Boy" wrote:
"Ulairi" wrote:

What do you consider peace? I do not consider the status quo peace. Keeping tyrants in power isn''t peace.

We still don''t have peace. There''s still a de facto war going on all over the world that America has its hands in.

There will never be world peace.

"Ulairi" wrote:
"Elysium" wrote:

C''mon Ulairi, Bush may very well be remembered for a lot of thing, but being a great proponent of peace is certainly not going to be one of them. Peace may not be the absense of war alone, but his BS about it being a last resort rings false to a lot of people. That''s not to say that everyone disagrees with his decisions. Actually, it seems a lot of Americans get their rocks off when we start bombing poor third world nations, so he''s only giving the audience what they want I suppose.

But, Bush a peacemaker? No, I just don''t see it.

What do you consider peace? I do not consider the status quo peace. Keeping tyrants in power isn''t peace.

Peace isn''t what we have there now either. And yes, when Saddam was in power, our country was at peace. They were f*cked, but we werent fighting Iraq, so we were at peace with them. Peace does not mean ""Thier quality of life is great"" it means ""two countries are not fighting"".

Was Clinton called a warmonger when we bombed Kosovo?

The reason Bush is being called a warmonger by alot of people is the lack of tact he went into the situation with. End of story. It has nothing to do with how many wars he started, merely how many people he thumbed his nose at. When people get pissed they start calling names, even though nobody in this thread called him that, you made that comparison. In this thread, Elysium and Gaald were saying that Bush hasn''t made great strides for peace in his Presidency, which is also true. He may have done alot of things, but creating peace is not one of them. That may be his ultimate goal, but he hasn''t gotten there yet, so he doesn''t deserve the title of ""peacemaker""

"Pyroman[FO" wrote:

""]He may have done alot of things, but creating peace is not one of them. That may be his ultimate goal, but he hasn''t gotten there yet, so he doesn''t deserve the title of ""peacemaker""

Maybe so, but he sure sounds pissed that his so far best attempt at it has gone down the crapper.

Im not saying he doesn''t want peace, Im just saying hes not there yet. I may want to be a game developer but I am not one yet, so I shouldn''t be called one.

"Pyroman[FO" wrote:

""]Im not saying he doesn''t want peace, Im just saying hes not there yet. I may want to be a game developer but I am not one yet, so I shouldn''t be called one.

BUT I AM! PH33R!

LOL

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