Alpha Protocol Sex-All Thread

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Well, if you can choose to be a James Bond kind of guy in dialogue, why can't you do that in the sack? If there's one thing I'll give Obsidian credit for is taking a concept from Bioware and enhancing the heck out of it.

Sounds "classy." Throw in an achievment and you've got a receipe for treating women like pokemon.

Cramps wrote:

Sounds "classy." Throw in an achievment and you've got a receipe for treating women like poke-wo-mon.

Fixed that for you.

Sigh. I guess I can go ahead and cross this one of my list of titles to play. Not that I'd even heard of it before today anyway.

Cramps wrote:

Sounds "classy." Throw in an achievment and you've got a receipe for treating women like pokemon.

Like the "cards" you can collect in The Witcher?

My initial reaction:

When creating a painting or a poem, it's important to repeatedly ask yourself what each element adds to the composition as a whole.
tanstaafl wrote:
Cramps wrote:

Sounds "classy." Throw in an achievment and you've got a receipe for treating women like pokemon.

Like the "cards" you can collect in The Witcher?

Point, tanstaafl!

Look, it's a secret agent game. Secret agent (as opposed to spies) have sex all the time; it's part of the genre.

Rat Boy wrote:
tanstaafl wrote:
Cramps wrote:

Sounds "classy." Throw in an achievment and you've got a receipe for treating women like pokemon.

Like the "cards" you can collect in The Witcher?

Point, tanstaafl!

Look, it's a secret agent game. Secret agent (as opposed to spies) have sex all the time; it's part of the genre.

Im not arguing the "secret agents have sex " part. I'm arguing against "collecting" women, and the mindset it might make fertile grounds for. I've not a fully coherent platform against it, but the part of me that goes "fire bad!" is also saying "the way theyve implemented sex in Alpha Protocol bad!"

Gotta sex 'em all!

Cramps wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:
tanstaafl wrote:
Cramps wrote:

Sounds "classy." Throw in an achievment and you've got a receipe for treating women like pokemon.

Like the "cards" you can collect in The Witcher?

Point, tanstaafl!

Look, it's a secret agent game. Secret agent (as opposed to spies) have sex all the time; it's part of the genre.

Im not arguing the "secret agents have sex " part. I'm arguing against "collecting" women, and the mindset it might make fertile grounds for. I've not a fully coherent platform against it, but the part of me that goes "fire bad!" is also saying "the way theyve implemented sex in Alpha Protocol bad!"

I'm with you Cramps. I'm more than a little sick of the way male and female ideals are portrayed in games when it comes to sex. Male ideal = Schtupp anything you can catch, and do the slow ones twice. Female ideal = Big boobs and severe allergy to keeping knees together.

Thank you, no. I'd like to play games that don't run contrary to my habit of actually treating women like people, rather than boob delivery systems.

hehehe, boob delivery system. Visualizing that is hilarious.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Gotta sex 'em all!

I chose you Trampazar!

I dunno. If it fits in with the kind of tone they seemed to be going for in that interview, the kind of comedic, campy B-movie secret agent thing, I could go along with it. If they're trying to actually tell a serious story in that game, then it sounds completely ludicrous.

Switchbreak wrote:

I dunno. If it fits in with the kind of tone they seemed to be going for in that interview, the kind of comedic, campy B-movie secret agent thing, I could go along with it. If they're trying to actually tell a serious story in that game, then it sounds completely ludicrous.

Depends on the names of the female characters. If it's normal, it's one thing, but if they have names like Ophelia Upp or Ivanna Oogaba, then it's something else.

Cramps wrote:

Sounds "classy." Throw in an achievment and you've got a receipe for treating women like pokemon.

True, adding that sort of meta-game to the mix instead of dealing with you being a slutmonster just through ingame responses does sour the mix somewhat. But to be fair, there's alsa a 'lone bachelor' achievement for not getting involved with any of them, so it's nowhere near as bad as The Witcher in that regard.

Rat Boy wrote:
tanstaafl wrote:
Cramps wrote:

Sounds "classy." Throw in an achievment and you've got a receipe for treating women like pokemon.

Like the "cards" you can collect in The Witcher?

Point, tanstaafl!

Look, it's a secret agent game. Secret agent (as opposed to spies) have sex all the time; it's part of the genre.

Well really, it's mostly just James Bond these days. And that series just gets away with it because it has a grandfather clause from when treating women as sex objects was just the way they did things. The new breed of secret agent (ie. Jason Bourne) tends to treat their female characters with a little more respect, and less wanton humping.

Much like Mass Effect, this game seems to be mostly ignoring the ways its genre has progressed in the last thirty years.

0kelvin wrote:

The new breed of secret agent (ie. Jason Bourne) tends to treat their female characters with a little more respect, and less wanton humping.

Yeah, Bourne was more about humping because he was scared and confused. I, for one, welcome this transition to treating heroes like unfortunate teenage girls.

wordsmythe wrote:
0kelvin wrote:

The new breed of secret agent (ie. Jason Bourne) tends to treat their female characters with a little more respect, and less wanton humping.

Yeah, Bourne was more about humping because he was scared and confused. I, for one, welcome this transition to treating heroes like unfortunate teenage girls. :P

That can kick your ass using reading material and a writing utensil.

Cate Archer is probably rolling in her virtual grave...

“Chris Avellone doesn’t do ‘goo goo’ stuff,” Rucinski said, referring to the chief creative officer at the development studio. “Sometimes he’d be like, ‘No guy would say that!’” That included a scene of Thornton crying. Rucinski said that people around the office were like, “That sucks, he’s crying, I don’t like this guy anymore.”

Oh dear, can't be having with any of that realistic emotions 'n stuff...might actually end up with something unique and interesting. Wouldn't that be a disaster.

stevenmack wrote:

Cate Archer is probably rolling in her virtual grave...

“Chris Avellone doesn’t do ‘goo goo’ stuff,” Rucinski said, referring to the chief creative officer at the development studio. “Sometimes he’d be like, ‘No guy would say that!’” That included a scene of Thornton crying. Rucinski said that people around the office were like, “That sucks, he’s crying, I don’t like this guy anymore.”

Oh dear, can't be having with any of that realistic emotions 'n stuff...might actually end up with something unique and interesting. Wouldn't that be a disaster.

According to a dev over at Obsidian (original post here

Patrick K. Mills wrote:

And most people didn't like the crying scene because of reasons other than the humanization of the main character.

Sounds like it wasn't one of those situations where one of the JBs would have cried.

It doesn't really sound much different from GTA IV's girlfriend thing. I say, make with the f*cking!

But most importantly, Chris Avellone's role in creating Planescape: Torment means that I will always cut him a little extra slack. Just like Molyneaux and Syndicate. No matter how they may fail, they're still okay by me.

But most importantly, Chris Avellone's role in creating Planescape: Torment means that I will always cut him a little extra slack. Just like Molyneaux and Syndicate. No matter how they may fail, they're still okay by me.

Or like Weezer's multiple free passes after the Blue Album. Though I guess they finished spending that currency with the voice box, but that's beside the point. Avellone deserves a the slack.

Podunk wrote:

It doesn't really sound much different from GTA IV's girlfriend thing.

I'm definitely getting that vibe. Some will be essential plot points, others will be more like side-quests, all with their own personalities. I'm hoping there's a version of Xenia Onatopp from Goldeneye in there somewhere.

Edit: In case anyone cares, here's a dev interview at Gametrailers.com.

Y'know, of all the games I've recently played to compare this to the closest really seems to be Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3. In Persona 3 you can gain social levels with various characters, getting bits of story and helping out your fighting a bit by giving you more powerful summoned creatures. The maximum level with any of the female characters, however, was basically having sex with them. Yes, in the game where you shoot yourself in the head to use your magic powers you were also able to have completely non-graphic sex with multiple teenage girls. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, that's some ballsy stuff right there!

And, naturally, the game completely sucke-- wait. No, that's right, the game is f*cking awesome and a lot of it came from those short stories, including the ones that end with your character having sex. The various dates added a lot of depth to what would otherwise have been two-dimensional characters meant to forward the story and the well written, tasteful flirtation sequences made you care about the world and the main storyline. I'd even go so far as to say the game wouldn't have been nearly as good nor as popular without those sequences.

Alpha Protocol could be utterly tasteless drek that doesn't deserve a GameFly slot, but don't go hating it over a MTV fluff piece undoubtedly cribbed from a much longer interview. We're talking about Obsidian here, a developer started by old school Black Isle employees. And you're thinking the writing in these sequences is going to be hokey?

Come on people.

If I see a character with white, spiky hair wearing a black cape with a big Kanji character of "Police" written on it, I'm going to go with the game not having a very serious tone. Therefore, sex away to your heart's content.

Grenn wrote:
wordsmythe wrote:
0kelvin wrote:

The new breed of secret agent (ie. Jason Bourne) tends to treat their female characters with a little more respect, and less wanton humping.

Yeah, Bourne was more about humping because he was scared and confused. I, for one, welcome this transition to treating heroes like unfortunate teenage girls. :P

That can kick your ass using reading material and a writing utensil.

Of course. I thought that part went without saying.

Cinematic trailer at IGN. I only posted that link because it was the only one in English I could find. NSFW, as in if you can't play the sex scene from Mass Effect at work, then this one won't fly, either.

Uh, I wouldn't say that trailer is any more NSFW than a trailer for a James Bond movie. The most risque bit is a half second scene of a woman lying in bed under the covers in a dark room.

I want my 41 seconds back, Rat Boy!

That, or you can post a hottie for me to look at.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Gotta sex 'em all!

I was working on that achievement and unlocked the Extra Life achievement instead.

Latrine wrote:

Uh, I wouldn't say that trailer is any more NSFW than a trailer for a James Bond movie. The most risque bit is a half second scene of a woman lying in bed under the covers in a dark room.

Really? I could've sworn I saw a nipple in there somewhere, or at least a side boob.

*Legion* wrote:

I want my 41 seconds back, Rat Boy!

That, or you can post a hottie for me to look at.

Fine. I hope your wife realizes how hard you are to please.

bnpederson wrote:

Persona 3

That game was Japanese. It came from the land of school girl tentacle rape porn and games where the entire purpose is to have lots of wanton sex, often culminating in orgasmic experiences that would put american pr0n to shame.

In other words, your analogy is poor and lacking, I'm afraid. Japan is crazy beyond nightmares.

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