Great to know. I tried toe/ball striking for one run and found that I was getting pretty severe shin splints from it. In fairness, that might have to do with the fact that my stabilizing muscles are atrophied from a consistant running style.
I looked at Pose Method and considered that over Chi Running. I'm a serious skeptic and tend to glaze over whenever someone talks about "energy flow" or spirituality of running. A lot of the ground covered in changing gait is in both Lore and Explosive Running.
Thanks for your observations. I'll probably give changing stride a serious effort now.
This makes perfect sense, coming from a biker point of view. When I first started running years ago I gave up due to shin splints, I never strike at the heel always the mid just like how I bike. Interesting.
I have a friend who lives and runs in Manhattan and complains of shin splints. Other than telling him to go to Central Park and try to run on the grass there, what can I tell him?
I ran a 15k in 1997 without training for it. I had been running like 3 miles every other day way back then for like a month, then I quit for 3 months altogether...then somehow, my uncle convinced me to run this with him.
1997 Run Your Turkey Off 15K results
Do a "find on this page" for Bellemare....
I've been hearing a lot more about barefoot running lately. http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,5033,s6-187-0-0-6728,00.html
I'm seriously thinking about trying it out.
Okay. I went out for a 6 mile fartlek run last night and started it off with some barefooted hill repeats on a grassy hill. My calves burned like fleshy burning things, but my form felt a LOT better. After that, I put the shoes back on and hit the asphalt concentrating on a disciplined forefoot strike. Once again, my calves felt like I just finished 500x250lb calf raises, but I felt a lot less pain than usual.
Today I feel like I could sprint a 5k without effort.
I ran 2 miles last night in 16min 39 seconds. Perhaps the fastest I've ever run in my life without something scary chasing me.
I ran 2 miles last night in 16min 39 seconds. Perhaps the fastest I've ever run in my life without something scary chasing me.
Super cool! That's pretty close to my speed limit as well. My fastest 5k time is right at 24:25 and I nearly coughed up half a lung doing that.
I am seriously ecstatic about finishing a 2 mile run in that time. I'm doing a 5k race on May 14th to really guage my progress as that'll be about a month's worth of running almost every day (one day off a week).
I am seriously ecstatic about finishing a 2 mile run in that time. I'm doing a 5k race on May 14th to really guage my progress as that'll be about a month's worth of running almost every day (one day off a week).
Fantastic. Try the barefoot running on grass. I swear it works.
Going to switch gears a little...
What's the latest, best wisdom concerning breathing? Having been through public schools, played soccer for 15+ years, and taken my fair share of martial arts I've heard a variety of techniques.
Anyone have any intel/best bets?
Going to switch gears a little...
What's the latest, best wisdom concerning breathing? Having been through public schools, played soccer for 15+ years, and taken my fair share of martial arts I've heard a variety of techniques.
Anyone have any intel/best bets?
The best wisdom has always been deep controlled breaths. Rapid, shallow breathing is bad.
vbl wrote:Going to switch gears a little...
What's the latest, best wisdom concerning breathing? Having been through public schools, played soccer for 15+ years, and taken my fair share of martial arts I've heard a variety of techniques.
Anyone have any intel/best bets?
The best wisdom has always been deep controlled breaths. Rapid, shallow breathing is bad.
I concor from this mornings run I felt like I was drowning...I couldn't run anymore. BTW thanks for the book recomendations. I ran a lot further than I ever have before just have to practice more on breathing.
Paleocon wrote:vbl wrote:Going to switch gears a little...
What's the latest, best wisdom concerning breathing? Having been through public schools, played soccer for 15+ years, and taken my fair share of martial arts I've heard a variety of techniques.
Anyone have any intel/best bets?
The best wisdom has always been deep controlled breaths. Rapid, shallow breathing is bad.
I concor from this mornings run I felt like I was drowning...I couldn't run anymore. BTW thanks for the book recomendations. I ran a lot further than I ever have before just have to practice more on breathing.
NP.
Btw, I was up in NYC and paid a visit to Strand (best book store on the planet btw). There, I picked up a $7 used copy of ChiRunning only to be fairly disappointed by it. I'm sure others will find it useful, but I'm deeply skeptical of folks who talk about "energy flows" and other such newage nonsense.
It had exactly two chapters that were of any use to me (both on running form). The rest was about crap like the "high chi nature of raw foods". If I wanted organic food propaganda, I'd go to Whole Paycheck Foods and get ripped off an a bag of grapes.
Anything regarding in through nose out through mouth? Vice versa? All nose?
If I wanted organic food propaganda, I'd go to Whole Paycheck Foods and get ripped off an a bag of grapes.
That made me laugh so hard you have no idea. Of course I've been researching Tai Chi so a lot of the ideas in the book made sense to me. And the fact that I've been eating "Organic" for the last month in and a half at "Whole Paycheck Foods" just made my day. 
Anything regarding in through nose out through mouth? Vice versa? All nose?
I hear folks say that and say it works. If it works for you, use it. I just find that deep, controlled breathing works fine for me. Much of that relies on relaxing your shoulders and allowing your diaphram to move up and down. Most folks suck in their guts and restrict their breathing.
Okay. I went out for a 6 mile fartlek run last night and started it off with some barefooted hill repeats on a grassy hill. My calves burned like fleshy burning things, but my form felt a LOT better. After that, I put the shoes back on and hit the asphalt concentrating on a disciplined forefoot strike. Once again, my calves felt like I just finished 500x250lb calf raises, but I felt a lot less pain than usual.
Today I feel like I could sprint a 5k without effort.
Excellent, Paleocon. I'm glad the forefoot change is feeling good for you. I went through about 3 weeks of calf pain before my muscles adjusted. It also took about 5 months before the new strike became "natural". Before that, whenever I got tired I would lose focus and revert back to a heel strike. Now, a heel strike feels down right jarring.
Please keep us posted on your results.
There, I picked up a $7 used copy of ChiRunning only to be fairly disappointed by it. I'm sure others will find it useful, but I'm deeply skeptical of folks who talk about "energy flows" and other such newage nonsense.
It had exactly two chapters that were of any use to me (both on running form). The rest was about crap like the "high chi nature of raw foods". If I wanted organic food propaganda, I'd go to Whole Paycheck Foods and get ripped off an a bag of grapes.
Hah. I had the same feeling, but the chapters on posture and mechanics were golden.
As far as breathing goes...I'm in the deep controlled breathing camp. I try to fill my lungs from the bottom up and I find that good straight posture helps a ton as far as opening up my chest cavity for proper breathing.
Paleocon wrote:Okay. I went out for a 6 mile fartlek run last night and started it off with some barefooted hill repeats on a grassy hill. My calves burned like fleshy burning things, but my form felt a LOT better. After that, I put the shoes back on and hit the asphalt concentrating on a disciplined forefoot strike. Once again, my calves felt like I just finished 500x250lb calf raises, but I felt a lot less pain than usual.
Today I feel like I could sprint a 5k without effort.
Excellent, Paleocon. I'm glad the forefoot change is feeling good for you. I went through about 3 weeks of calf pain before my muscles adjusted. It also took about 5 months before the new strike became "natural". Before that, whenever I got tired I would lose focus and revert back to a heel strike. Now, a heel strike feels down right jarring.
Please keep us posted on your results.
Paleocon wrote:There, I picked up a $7 used copy of ChiRunning only to be fairly disappointed by it. I'm sure others will find it useful, but I'm deeply skeptical of folks who talk about "energy flows" and other such newage nonsense.
It had exactly two chapters that were of any use to me (both on running form). The rest was about crap like the "high chi nature of raw foods". If I wanted organic food propaganda, I'd go to Whole Paycheck Foods and get ripped off an a bag of grapes.
Hah. I had the same feeling, but the chapters on posture and mechanics were golden.
As far as breathing goes...I'm in the deep controlled breathing camp. I try to fill my lungs from the bottom up and I find that good straight posture helps a ton as far as opening up my chest cavity for proper breathing.
I went for a short (4 miler) run in Central Park while I was up there over the weekend and concentrated heavily on form. Afters, I sat down on a bench and watched the girls run. Jeez. I swear. Hot women grow on the trees in NYC.
Anyway, I was paying careful attention to the faster, better form runners and realized that none of them were heel strikers. Why did it take me so long to figure this out?
I'm going to have to pick up Lore, Explosive, and Pose soon. I suspect I'll find their observations more interesting.
I've been noticing that every time I push the envelope on my running ability I run into a chest problem. My muscles aren't that tired, I don't feel like my heart is beating too hard or anything, it's just like my lungs are burning and I get a coppery taste in my mouth. I almost feel like I'm getting acid reflux. Does anybody else run into this? Is this normal and I should push through it?
I've been noticing that every time I push the envelope on my running ability I run into a chest problem. My muscles aren't that tired, I don't feel like my heart is beating too hard or anything, it's just like my lungs are burning and I get a coppery taste in my mouth. I almost feel like I'm getting acid reflux. Does anybody else run into this? Is this normal and I should push through it?
That's perfectly normal. Don't give up on the fartlek and speed work. That's the only way you're going to expand your lung capacity.
I did the Broad Street Ten-miler over the weekend using the advice in Yessis' book regarding good form and stride. It took some concentration and I tended to lapse a bit as I got tired, but I found that my best splits were recorded when I kept good form. Moreover, I felt a LOT better at the conclusion of that run than I have in others of shorter distances in the past. It wasn't a record breaker, but I don't think I've ever felt this good after a ten-miler. Certainly, I have never felt this good after an 87 minute ten-miler.
Is anyone here doing a Fall marathon? We should have a GWJRati marathon team.
Is anyone here doing a Fall marathon? We should have a GWJRati marathon team.
I think that if enough of us got together to run it would cause a reflection upon the ozone that would destroy it forever! Baby seals will fry!
Is anyone here doing a Fall marathon? We should have a GWJRati marathon team.
Does it count if I'm training for a half-marathon? I'm considering running the Atlanta Thanksgiving Day race.
Ding! Back from the dead!
Thanks to vbl for pointing me to this thread, it's really helpful.
Paleo: Am I correct in understanding that the stride technique you use involves landing on the ball of your foot, while keeping your forward stride short and under your body (i.e., not taking long loping strides with your leg extended out in front of you)? What happens with the heel? Do you find you just naturally plant the heel more softly than you would on a heel-to-toe stride? Or do you keep the heel up altogether?
The reason I ask is that I'm a new runner (see the Couch-to-5k thread) and I'm trying to find the proper technique. Once I got to the point where I was running 5k regularly I started to get some heel/ankle pain in one foot. I rested and iced for a while and went to see a podiatrist. I found the podiatrist to be very un-helpful and felt like he was just trying to sell me a custom orthotic ($400) without even watching me walk or run, or even stand. So I bought a pair of Superfeet insoles, and began looking hard at my technique. I definitely found that taking short strides and trying to focus on landing on the ball of my foot made my heel feel much better. As you mentioned earlier in the thread, I guess I'm learning about trying to find the line between pain and injury. I don't want to get injured, particularly because I'm newly addicted, but I realize that I can't expect to push my abilities and remain pain-free.
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