Firefly - Love it!

VicD714 wrote:
Fedaykin98 wrote:

I want River killing, the decision makers at Fox, with her brain.

Fixed it for you. ;)

Word up, my brother.

shihonage wrote:

It's a liberally modified combination of A.I., Stargate SG-1 and the ending of Path of Neo. Do yourself a favor, never watch A.I. You'll thank me later.

You can watch AI just turn it off whenever the main character gets trapped beneath the ferris wheel. I like to think that Spielburg completely made up the rest of the film. Plus Giggalo Joe is my hero.

Thanks for the spoilers, man.

Fedaykin98 wrote:

I cannot reach acceptance. I cannot forgive.

I can attest to this as someone who was at the theater with Fedaykin for Serenity. I LOVED the movie, thought it was fantastic and all that jazz, but felt like Joss tied up almost all the loose ends from the television series and that the movie was the final hurrah.
Fedaykin was very quiet after the movie. As if he knew that Firefly was over based on the storyline... (still not sure if that is exactly what his mood was... probably he was plotting ways to get the Fox execs into the gutter, but he should correct me if I'm wrong. It was definitely not the type of mood typical of someone coming out of one of their favorite movies of all time.)

And the real unanswered question from the TV series is this:
What happens to the bounty hunter Jubal Early??

I take Scott Kurtz's stance on the movie...

Whedon wasn't sure that any other ideas for movies in the Firefly universe would get pushed out, so, for the sake of the fans, he gave us Return of the Jedi first. Forget all the build up, the cliff-hangers, he gave us the big ending because he wanted fans to have that.

And the real unanswered question from the TV series is this:
What happens to the bounty hunter Jubal Early??

He's picked up by a ship with the infinite improbability drive and goes on a series of whacky adventures?

No?

Ok he's dead.

Sinatar wrote:
And the real unanswered question from the TV series is this:
What happens to the bounty hunter Jubal Early??

He's picked up by a ship with the infinite improbability drive and goes on a series of whacky adventures?

AWESOME

I feel like Jubal Early was partially cloned into the villain from Serenity. Either that, or its because they're both non-stereotypically strange, both black and wear the same exact body armor.

The one and only reason I'm glad that Firefly ended was that it assures that Joss couldn't ruin the show with his trademark returning characters. What am I watching here, Blossom? Kill a character! Honestly, I really believe that Early would have come back, eventually. And I think I would have had to turn off my television, at that point. If I can't trust the death of a character (Joss said he was looking forward to bringing back the cop from the pilot,) then what the hell is the point of my ever getting into any story you create, man? There's no tension if I know that nothing that happens will really matter, in the long run.

To me, it just seems condescending. The audience can't handle big-boy storytelling, so he resorts to the sorts of unbelievable coincidences and flukes that characterize children's literature. Each character gets one "you thought I was dead but I wasn't really," one "that wasn't me it was an imposter who died," and AT LEAST one "I was brought back to life by some arcane means." It just seems cheap and it annoys me.

SERENITY COMIC BOOK SPOILER WARNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Morro, Whedon brought the cop back in the comic book, which takes place between the show and Serenity.

Once again I prove how poor a fanboy I am--

There's a Serenity comic book?

Fed: You wouldn't happen to know how he justified it, would you?

Morrolan wrote:

Fed: You wouldn't happen to know how he justified it, would you?

Same way they brought back Dr. Drake Remoray on Days of Our Lives, I'm sure...

TheWalt wrote:
Morrolan wrote:

Fed: You wouldn't happen to know how he justified it, would you?

Same way they brought back Dr. Drake Remoray on Days of Our Lives, I'm sure...

Well to be fair, in that case, Drake was in a comma and his head was injured to the point where only Drake could have fixed him (yay irony)...

Anyway, I was actually looking forward to an episode with the return of the cop from the pilot. From what Whedon was saying they were going to do, the cop would have been badly injured with a few technological replacements after being shot and left for dead... even then it's not entirely improbable that they would have found him... he WAS on a civilized planet, not a very good one, but one none the less, and he wasn't TOO far from town...

Now Jubil re-appearing would have been rediculous. He was in a suit with limited oxygen in the middle of space... knowing the crew, they were on a rather unused route... etc... him, no way in hell. Interesting foot note though, Jubil actually shares his name with a Civil War Confederate General... don't know WHY, but he does.

he WAS on a civilized planet, not a very good one, but one none the less, and he wasn't TOO far from town...

Horsesh*t. They set down in the middle of nowhere to offload contraband. Also, they didn't make Whitefall out to be remotely civilized.

Not to mention that, living or dead, he would probably have become Peep-Jerky for those reavers, along with those people who might have theoretically helped him. They would almost certainly have hit at least one city on Whitefall before leaving.

He did indeed come back with some "technological replacements" on the side of his head. I can't remember exactly what explanation was given, but he came back with a consuming passion to kill Mal.

I think the purpose of the comic was partly to show the passing of the torch from the dudes with blue hands to the agent (is it me or was the lack of hands of blue in the movie very surprising?).

They'll probably be collecting the 3 issues into a trade paperback at some point. I'll post about it when they do. But it's not like it's mindblowing or anything. I was a tad disappointed.

You know, all Jubal Early needs to come back is to have had some kind of remote activation or auto-homing system in his ship. After recovering from the disorientation of colliding with his ship, he realizes his predicament, utters his famous, "Well, here I am" and then presses a couple of buttons on his suit. You saw his ship, that thing was decked out with some pretty fancy stuff. It's not entirely beyond the realm of possibility.

I thought Kaylee would have stripped that mother pretty thoroughly before they left it, though. Oh well.

Morrolan wrote:

Each character gets one "you thought I was dead but I wasn't really," one "that wasn't me it was an imposter who died," and AT LEAST one "I was brought back to life by some arcane means." It just seems cheap and it annoys me.

Are you going off of Angel and Buffy at this point? Because a) Firefly is a different show (I consider the other two to be, more or less, the same), and b) that kind of thing makes a lot more sense in a magic-y environment.

Are you going off of Angel and Buffy at this point? Because a) Firefly is a different show (I consider the other two to be, more or less, the same), and b) that kind of thing makes a lot more sense in a magic-y environment.

Well, you could replace 'Arcane' with 'Scientific' or 'Technological' and you would have the same effect, but consistent with the Firefly 'verse. I think he brought up a good point, and the fact that the cop showed back up in the comic only strengthens it. How disappointed I am.

Speaking of bounty hunters and dead characters coming back to life (I think Wikipedia says that Jubal was named after a person from the Civil War as much of Firefly is inspired by the Civil War era)-
Jubal was inspired by one of the greatest Bounty Hunters of all time - Boba Fett. I heard in the Star Wars books (I have never read any... something seems amiss (to me) for a book to be based on a movie) that Boba Fett comes back to life in the books (open invitation to all SW fanbois to expound).

Now a movie based on Boba Fett would be something I would LOVE to see (so long as George Lucas does NOT write dialogue or direct), no matter how unbelievable the Boba Fett survived plotline becomes.

CEJ, I'm going to kill you.

I specifically avoided this thread because I was afeard of spoilers...then today I figured I'd take a look since, after 7 pages or so, no one's added a spoiler tag to the title, it must be safe. [/Gaald]

That brings up a good point. I loved Firefly and all, but I can't see it going any longer than three seasons before they need to wrap it up while it is still good. The problem with a lot of shows that just go on and on forever is that they end up a victim of their own success. I always had a lot of respect for the creator of Babylon 5 for wrapping up the series with a definitive end. Why continue to drag on until the audience abandons the show?

Unfortunately, Firefly didn't even get a whole season, so the point really is moot.

I heard in the Star Wars books (I have never read any... something seems amiss (to me) for a book to be based on a movie) that Boba Fett comes back to life in the books (open invitation to all SW fanbois to expound).

Lies. All lies. Dirty rotten stinking lies.

I heard in the Star Wars books (I have never read any... something seems amiss (to me) for a book to be based on a movie) that Boba Fett comes back to life in the books (open invitation to all SW fanbois to expound).

It's not that he comes back to life, it's that misfortune befalls him but you never see him die.

For example, he falls in the sarlacc pit, but do you actually see his dead body? No. He escapes things like Mr. Bond does.

Hey, I like to read, sue me!

I actually read a really cool issue of the old Marvel Comics Star Wars where Han and Leia returned to Tatooine. Boba Fett had been spit out by the Sarlaac and "rescued" by Jawas. He was kicking it in one of their sandcrawlers at the beginning (maybe they thought he was a droid). Anyway, he has amnesia, and Han runs into him. And I'm not mentioning the rest of the story because I'm so feverishly anti-spoiler, but at the time I thought it was a good one.

CHUD reviews the DVD... which I normally wouldn't bother even mentioning except one line in particular caught my attention and I thought I'd share:

So what keeps me wrapped up in Serenity? Captain Mal Reynolds and his crew. Mal is a spiritual cousin of Jack Sparrow, and Nathan Fillion plays him with an infectious humor. He self-deprecates with an offhand fatalism that makes the most clunky and calculated plot contrivance seem irrelevant, and is able to turn compellingly grave in a moment. He propels the film, and makes me wish that I'd been watching the show from the beginning.

I love Captain Jack! Yar!

GioClark wrote:
hoochie wrote:

True - but they're not what you might call pillow talk. :p

A lively and spontaneous rendition of Hero of Canton while mid-coitus wouldn't do it for you?

I bet we could bribe Certis to give it a shot.

He's evil enough.

Grumpicus wrote:

CHUD reviews the DVD... which I normally wouldn't bother even mentioning except one line in particular caught my attention and I thought I'd share:

So what keeps me wrapped up in Serenity? Captain Mal Reynolds and his crew. Mal is a spiritual cousin of Jack Sparrow, and Nathan Fillion plays him with an infectious humor. He self-deprecates with an offhand fatalism that makes the most clunky and calculated plot contrivance seem irrelevant, and is able to turn compellingly grave in a moment. He propels the film, and makes me wish that I'd been watching the show from the beginning.

I love Captain Jack! Yar! :drink:

Jack Sparrow vs Mal Reynolds. That's a geek's wet dream waiting to happen.