GWJCFFL Draft Tonight! (8:30PM EST)

The draft is tonight at 8:30 EST, we'll be on Team Speak in the Fantasy Football channel to mock each other's picks! Here is the draft order:

Fredster's Irish Hooligans
Bagga's Chipz
StricNiners
Legion's Dirt Worshippers
Gaald's Phantom Pack
Grump's Chumps
SwampYankee's Jihad
Pigpen's Pigskins
JimmDogg's Wienerbombs
Sanjuro's Frictionless Ballers
Elysiuminators
Certs Fresh

Even if the checker on the league page says you passed the test for the draft software, go to www.java.com and make sure you have the latest java!

Teamspeak info:

IP: 67.93.129.218:8767
Password: gwjts

And mock they will.

I know...

From the scoring system page:

Return Yards 1 point for every 50 yards
Return TDs 0 points each

Uhm, what?

Fixed! Good eye, Legion.

Certis wrote:

Fixed! Wood eye, Legion.

Peg Leg! Peg Leg!

Certis wrote:

Fixed! Good eye, Legion.

My draft boards are Excel spreadsheets (or, rather, the OpenOffice clone), so for each league I check the scoring system and adjust the projected point formulas accordingly. That's the only reason I happened to be looking at that page just now.

So what you're saying is, you're insane. I gotcha.

So what you're saying is, you're insane. I gotcha.

I do the same thing, not that it helps me win.

Certis wrote:

So what you're saying is, you're insane. I gotcha.

Crazy like a fox, Flutie Flake.

Can somone post a link to the league? I saved it at work and now I can't find it.

Our rosters are still empty, and the "draft results" is empty too.

Our rosters are still empty, and the "draft results" is empty too.

Yeah, the site is bogged down it seems.

If I go to the "Add Player" page and filter by team, then I can see my players with my team.

And now a review of this draft!

Same disclaimer as last time: Remember, these are just one man's opinions, and a lot of it depends on pick value in my eyes and on my boards. Injuries and freak dropoffs or explosions could rearrange things by week 3. But in terms of drafting quality value, depth, and generally putting yourself in a position to weather the season-long storm, here's my views:

In draft position order this time....

1. Fredster's Irish Hooligans I like Manning as a #1 selection, though in a 4-point pass TD league, I might let him slide a little in the 1st round. But boy do things get worse from there. Tony Gonzalez in round 2? Too early. BALTIMORE DEFENSE in round 3? Huh? The team's first running back is Warrick Dunn in round 5, and then nothing until TRAVIS HENRY in round 8. This team has 3 running backs and exactly 1 of them is an actual NFL starter. Receivers aren't terrible with Donald Driver, Eric Moulds, Jimmy Smith, and Keary Colbert being the best of the bunch. But the RB position is a complete disaster. And who really needs 7 WRs?

2. Bagga's Chipz: Ahh, a much more sane draft. Tomlinson at #2, have to be pumped to get LT when you're not even pick #1. Westbrook as the 2nd round pick is not bad, given the run on RBs in the earlier part of the 2nd round. Still, I might be more comfortable with a workhorse style back like LaMont Jordan. But I have Westbrook as my #2 back in another league, so I understand. Trent Green's a good QB pick, and getting a decent backup like Drew Brees is wise given some mild uncertainty with Green right now. Fred Taylor's a great back to have at #3, got him 2 picks before I was going to. I'm not on board with Muhsin Muhammad - love the guy and his skills, don't love rookie Kyle Orton as the guy feeding him the ball. Would've been different if Rex Grossman stayed healthy. Anquan Boldin worries me too just because there's no telling how the 3 young early-draft-pick Arizona receivers will shake out. Boldin could easily play second fiddle to Larry Fitzgerald. Duce Staley is a great #4, and Stephen Davis as a #5 back is awesome - hey, this seems familiar.. wait... yep, this is EXACTLY the 4-5 combination of running backs I took in the other GWJ league yesterday! Did Bagga scope out my picks from that draft? Deion Branch and Terry Glenn are good WR depth, and Bagga wisely waited until the end for a kicker and defenses.

3. StricNiners: Shaun Alexander is probably the right pick at #3, though I would prefer Holmes with suitable risk management (and was able to make that decision myself the very next pick). Ahman Green's a good back for a #2. Torry Holt and Michael Clayton's a pretty good 1-2 WR punch. But then the auto-picker takes TE and K and defense, and the latter two of those have no business being drafted so early. Aaron Brooks is a nice backup QB to Marc Bulger. Stric got two "out for the season" players in Eric Shelton and Rex Grossman - too bad the auto-picker missed Buckhalter for him. Decent draft at the top end but team depth is a concern.

4. Legion's Dirt Worshippers: I was giddy to get Priest Holmes in round 1 and Julius Jones in round 2. Downright giddy. Then I was on cloud 9 when Chad Johnson slid to me in round 3, just as he did to Certis yesterday. To me, Chad Johnson's value at the WR position is 2nd only to Moss, though TO would be right there too if not for major risk factor (both attitude and injury, as we saw him go down last year). Happy to get Roy Williams as my #2 receiver. Missed out on Fred Taylor for my #3 back by two damn picks, but got another starting back in Ronnie Brown instead. You MUST get a starting RB as your #3 back! It's just murder if you don't. Issac Bruce continues to free-fall in fantasy leagues and he made me a happy guy as my #3 WR. Took Leftwich as my starting QB all the way down in round 9, severely undervalued. Took a couple of potential breakout #2 WRs in Justin McCareins and Reggie Williams, both should be in better positions to produce this year. And best of all, I got Larry Johnson as my insurance policy for Priest Holmes, though I had to reach for it in round 7 as opposed to Karma getting him on auto-pick in round 10 in yesterday's draft. He kept moving closer and closer to the top of the FOX Sports "best available" lists, and I knew that if someone didn't pick him themselves, a team on auto-pick would.

5. Gaald's Phantom Pack: Edgerrin James went where he was supposed to this time - AFTER LT, Holmes, and Alexander, but only one step behind them. TO's nice in round 2. Not on board with Steven Jackson over LaMont Jordan, just because of the situations of each player (can you trust Martz to run Jackson as a workhorse? Maybe not). Favre didn't free-fall like the GWJ#2 draft, 4th round pick here instead of round 6. Then Todd Heap, OK, but Kerry Collins? Too early for a backup QB, and then of course the kicker and defense come too early too. I like Houshmandzadeh and Bubba Franks, but where is the RB depth? After James and Jackson, it's silent until... Michael Pittman! Some good starters but depth is weak, as is the WR position after TO in terms of every-week starters.

6. Grump's Chumps: Grump was on auto-pick the whole time. Definitely locked down the RB position with McGahee, Domanick Davis, and LaMont Jordan! Then added Tatum Bell in round 5! Bell's a backup to Mike Anderson though, so that won't help much. But the auto-picker continued on with running backs. Michael Bennett. Cedric Benson. DeShaun Foster. Jerome Bettis. Who else gets running backs? Nobody, Grump claims them all! 8 RBs on his roster. Eek. Michael Vick as a starting QB does not excite me. Alge Crumpler's a good starting TE. But wide receiver... Mike Williams, Antonio Bryant, and Andre Davis are the only WRs on the roster. Grump is going to have some trades to make! Hey Grump, I've got good WR depth, come talk to me.

7. SwampYankee's Jihad: Oh Swampy. You're so cute. Nice to have you on Teamspeak even if everything that came over your speakers went right back out on the microphone. Donovan McNabb over Culpepper? I wouldn't go there personally. Clinton Portis is OK but there are other backs I would've preferred much more that were still on the board. Javon Walker's was great after Holt and Chad Johnson went off the board just a couple picks earlier. Chris Brown scares me a bit as a #2 RB, kinda fragile. Drew Bennett might excite me as a #2 WR if Billy Volek was playing QB, and at some point in the season, he might. But McNair seems to look elsewhere. Adam Vinatieri in round 6? Why? His value over other top 10 kickers is small, and there's too much talent at other positions that is not available later. Dallas Clark is a nice TE to grab. I'd hate having Willie Parker as my #3 RB though, very short-term value. Brandon Stokley was nice, probably would've taken him over the Eddie Kennison pick made 2 rounds earlier! David Patten was a nice last-round WR grab. Running back depth is a nightmare though, especially when you have Chris Brown as a starter.

8. Pigpen's Pigskins: Marvin Harrison over Randy Moss and TO and Chad Johnson? Sorry, can't do it, not with Wayne and Stokley getting as many balls as they are. It worked out OK last year but 49 passing TDs is not going to happen again. Deuce McAllister doesn't work for me either that early, given what the Saints situation is. Antonio Gates in round 3, could work out in value terms. Kevin Barlow as a #2 back though, I'd cry. Pigpen gets Barlow in round 5 here - in our #2 league draft, Barlow went in round 10. Chris Chambers is a good WR pick in round 6. Jake Delhomme's a reasonable starter at QB. Carolina defense in round 8, again with the early defenses. Pointless. Ricky Williams in round 9, ouch. T.J. Duckett the next round was a better value pick IMO. L.J. Smith is a nice TE grab in round 12, though the team had pressing needs elsewhere. Not much from the rest of the draft. Another team with a fairly sound starting lineup but depth to cry for.

9. JimmDogg's Wienerbombs: Rudi Johnson then Kevin Jones. Home run 1 and home run 2. Hines Ward and Steve Smith are guys with good value on my boards, but guys I'm nervous to take myself. Carson Palmer scares me after a horrendous preseason. Ashley Lelie and Lee Evans give good WR depth. Randy McMichael is a great fantasy TE if he doesn't end up in the slammer for beating his wife. Mewelde Moore isn't my idea of RB depth though, you gotta get that #3 back early or you're stuck with an NFL backup player. There's only 32 starting NFL running backs, about only 28 of which have the starting jobs outright. 3 backs per 12 teams = 36 backs, so lots of teams end up with no NFL starters as backups to work with. Plus you have guys like me (and Grump's psycho auto-picker) that poach that thin pool for #4s (well, I didn't in this draft, thanks mostly to Grump, but I got 4 starters in the other draft). Chad Pennington's a nice value as a backup QB - his shoulder still isn't 100% yet but he can ride the fantasy bench for a while. Not overly in love with the starters except the two stud running backs, but the WRs may step up more than I expect.

10. Sanjuro's Frictionless Ballers: Tiki Barber and Jamal Lewis are bad (auto) picks on my board. They're #16 and #19 on my RB draft board - Barber could easily run for only 800 yards, as his stats fluctuate so much from year to year, and Jamal Lewis gives you little in terms of receptions and receiving yards. Don't care for Joe Horn in round 3, another poor Saint who has a real crappy situation ahead of him. Matt Hasselbeck is a great starting QB down in round 7. Auto picker took a kicker and defense too early of course. Marshall Faulk is a nice depth RB if you can't get a starter, and Lee Suggs may be a great pick if he can reclaim the Browns starting job when healthy. Got stuck with out-for-the-season Buckhalter. Nice WR grab with Reche Caldwell near the end of the draft, and Eli Manning's a greaet backup QB in round 16.

11. Elysiuminators: Culpepper's a nice pick near the end of round 1, and Curtis Martin's great in round 2. Can't help but feel the team would've been a lot better off taking Martin and another RB (Davis, one of the Joneses, etc) and getting a QB later, as this is just a 4-point per pass TD league. But still, Culpepper's hard to resist when someone else took McNabb off the board first. Mike Anderson is taken way too early with a round 4 pick IMO. I like him as a #3 RB, not a #2. Jerry Porter is overvalued in my eyes. J.J. Arrington is nice after Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams were already off the board, so at least there's that #3 RB that's an NFL starter. Reggie Wayne does not thrill me as a #1 WR, and Plaxico is a major question mark as a #3 (will he and Eli hit it off THAT much?). Santana Moss and David Givens are decent depth, and Peerless Price is an interesting pick given his new home in Dallas. Nice to see Ben Roethlisberger go in round 12 instead of round 4 like yesterday! John Carney is a perfect example of why it is stupid to draft a kicker in the middle of the draft. Carney will score nearly as much as all the guys taken 8-10 rounds earlier! Of course, this team took Ryan Longwell in round 10, but at least that isn't as bad as kickers going in rounds 6-8!

12. Certs Fresh: Not as impressive as yesterday's draft. Dillon's not a 1st rounder on my board, not with so little in terms of receiving. Randy Moss is great to get as pick 1 of round 2, at least 3 1st round picks should not have been taken before Moss. Cadillac Williams as a #2 back in round 3 can't be that thrilling, not 1 day after getting him as a #3 back in round 6 in the draft yesterday. But after yesterday's run on RBs, you had to kinda expect it, plus Grump's ILOVERBS auto-picker monster thinned out the pool fast. Nate Burleson is a great #2 WR, and Tom Brady's a sound starting QB. Derrick Mason is terrible value though, in a DOA Ravens passing offense. Reuben Droughns as RB #3, OUCH. Not a happy pick. He has only a marginally better chance at the job than William Green, who I took as back #5 in round 16. Both guys are a clear step behind Lee Suggs, who is getting over an injury and will probably lock down the starting job if he can get back on the field (which might not be until after their week 3 bye). Droughns and Green will probably share time and it's a matter of who breaks out first. Jermaine Wiggins is great TE value in round 8. But then a kicker and a defense, too damn early! Auto-pick'd maybe? I know Certis had some problems and got a couple pick auto'd as a result. McNair worries me as a backup QB because he's so likely to get hurt, and there was no 3rd QB drafted on this team. A couple interesting WRs in Ronald Curry and Kevin Curtis, but these guys are #3s at best on their NFL teams. Would've been much better to take WR depth earlier and take kicker and defense at these spots instead. I don't recall which picks Certis had auto-drafted on him, so it's hard to know who I'm critiquing with any given pick, and the chaos of re-connecting probably made the manual picks that much harder (I had a lot of trouble with this too, but only once did it strike and cause me to miss a pick - but thankfully my "pending players" queue saved me there too).

legion wrote:

Something about Donovan McNabb being selected over someone else

GRaaaaaaaaaaahhh! Murder death kill eliminate neutralize homicide genocide holocaust die McNabb.

/cries

Legion wrote:

9. JimmDogg's Wienerbombs: Rudi Johnson then Kevin Jones. Home run 1 and home run 2. Hines Ward and Steve Smith are guys with good value on my boards, but guys I'm nervous to take myself. Carson Palmer scares me after a horrendous preseason. Ashley Lelie and Lee Evans give good WR depth. Randy McMichael is a great fantasy TE if he doesn't end up in the slammer for beating his wife. Mewelde Moore isn't my idea of RB depth though, you gotta get that #3 back early or you're stuck with an NFL backup player. There's only 32 starting NFL running backs, about only 28 of which have the starting jobs outright. 3 backs per 12 teams = 36 backs, so lots of teams end up with no NFL starters as backups to work with. Plus you have guys like me (and Grump's psycho auto-picker) that poach that thin pool for #4s (well, I didn't in this draft, thanks mostly to Grump, but I got 4 starters in the other draft). Chad Pennington's a nice value as a backup QB - his shoulder still isn't 100% yet but he can ride the fantasy bench for a while. Not overly in love with the starters except the two stud running backs, but the WRs may step up more than I expect.

I'm not overly in love with this team either, but that usually means I did a good job drafting. I got 2 RB studs and Mewelde Moore will get multiple touches EVERY GAME, even if he doesn't start. I like to get 3 starting RBs too, mostly so I can rape someone in a trade down the line, but the cards just didn't fall right for me in the draft. I REALLY don't like Steve Smith, but someone has to catch balls in Carolina with TJ gone. I don't like Hines Ward either, but he puts up fantasy numbers and is as much as a "safe bet" (besides guys like Moss, TO, etc. that went early) as there was when I drafted him. Plus, this isn't a keeper league, so youth doesn't help you.

Palmer scares me too, that's why I took Pennington AND Harrington. If one of those guys doesn't have a good year, then I just wasn't meant to win.

I am pretty happy with my chances, I think I will be competitive, but I will need a lot of breaks to compete for the title.

Certis' auto picks were the two NE players...he wasn't happy about that.

8. Pigpen's Pigskins: Marvin Harrison over Randy Moss and TO and Chad Johnson? Sorry, can't do it, not with Wayne and Stokley getting as many balls as they are. It worked out OK last year but 49 passing TDs is not going to happen again. Deuce McAllister doesn't work for me either that early, given what the Saints situation is. Antonio Gates in round 3, could work out in value terms. Kevin Barlow as a #2 back though, I'd cry. Pigpen gets Barlow in round 5 here - in our #2 league draft, Barlow went in round 10. Chris Chambers is a good WR pick in round 6. Jake Delhomme's a reasonable starter at QB. Carolina defense in round 8, again with the early defenses. Pointless. Ricky Williams in round 9, ouch. T.J. Duckett the next round was a better value pick IMO. L.J. Smith is a nice TE grab in round 12, though the team had pressing needs elsewhere. Not much from the rest of the draft. Another team with a fairly sound starting lineup but depth to cry for.

Not quite how I see it. Was actually very happy with this draft, which is unusual for me - had to change tactics when no RB's I love fell to me at 8 - I normally pick like Grump's autopicks do if the talent is there.

Harrison was an easy pick there - easily the best on the board with the least questions. Only other consideration was Chad - but Moss and TO - I'm sorry - I'm old school, and I don't care how much talent they have, if I can't root for the player, I don't want him on my team. TO and Moss can go to hell for all I care - can't stand either, and refuse to draft either on principal. Harrison is smooth and efficient, and there were no RB's that I saw at that point that stood out like Harrison and Chad did.

I'm not sold on McAllister either, but he was the best, sturdiest back available at that point, vice the questions surrounding all the others. Barlow in round 10 - you know he was a first rounder last year, and the only change is SF sucks on offense - I was happy to get him in 5, although I had him graded as about a 6th rounder. But he's still a capable reserve - and based on the matchup, having to play 2 of McAllister, Barlow, Williams and Duckett will work fine for me.

WR's anchored by Harrison and Chambers - I'm happy there, with my picks for breakouts chosen there as well. Gates and Gonzales are both valued at 3rd round picks. So took him right where I wanted, and quite frankly, since you have to play a TE, I was surprised and astounded he fell to me there.

As for defenses - remember, i was the one asking to tone them down on pts, which Certis did...some. Defenses will score some major point here folks, so why take a flyer on a player versus a stud point defense in round 8...was an easy choice honestly.

L.J. Smith is a nice TE grab in round 12, though the team had pressing needs elsewhere.

Don't see this either. By round 12, with the exception of Kicker, I had a full roster, with all positions filled by actual starters - none of this mia/chi/bucs/pitt/nyg/atl/ten/etc RB by committee approach - had a top 10 def, my #5 rated QB from a fantasy perspective - I ask what pressing needs that I had at this point...none, so I took best available on the board for the sole perspective of trading him.

BTW Legion - I love Brown, traded for him in my keeper league - but note, its a keeper league. Claiming him as a locked starter, when he didn't even win the opening day job with Ricky suspended is a REACH. Love your team my friend, with Holmes/Jones/Johnson anchoring it, but don't smoke what Ricky did Remember, Ricky may have screwed Miami last year, but Saban is the kind of guy that would let you nail his mother, no questions asked, if you can help him win - I see Ricky running alot come October. I like that in a NFL coach though.

Also, when I give full reviews, I also toss in predicted record, and playoff picks, so I'm waiting for those?

Why didn't anyone tell me my TS was re-broadcasting?

I was woking with a new Logitech USB headset.

Logan, Donavan says to say hi, and that he doesn't hold it against you. You're just ignorant, he says. He's like that. All forgiving and sh*t. Oops - Gotta go. Soup's ready!

Why didn't anyone tell me my TS was re-broadcasting?

For the time we were on, it wasn't. I think yours does get an echo once in a while that may sound like re-broadcasting though.

The Logitech has a short mike boom, too close the the headphone speakers if you have the volume loud. I'll have to check that out.

It's a bit intimidating that Legion knows more about my draft than I do. I guess I can't be too unhappy with my draft I edited the top 25 players on my draft list but didn't mess with the rest and obviously that was a mistake.

Pigpen wrote:

Harrison was an easy pick there - easily the best on the board with the least questions.

See, I see two BIG question marks: Wayne and Stokley. When Manning's TDs go from last year's 49 to a more down-to-earth 29-33 (like the rest of his career, still plenty enough to lead the league), how many is Marvin going to have? How many will Wayne and Stokley?

Only other consideration was Chad

That's my pick if you hate Moss and TO so much. Chad flourished last year despite Palmer being hot and cold. Chad will get his touches no matter what, and if Palmer gets better as is advertised, then his numbers are going up. Me getting Chad in the 3RD round is just uncalled for. That's two drafts where Chad slid that far, and I just can't see it.

I'm not sold on McAllister either, but he was the best, sturdiest back available at that point, vice the questions surrounding all the others.

Rudi Johnson? I don't see him having more questions than McAllister. A guy coming off a 1450 yard, 12 TD year with 0 injuries. McAllister was banged up all last year (I know, he was one of MY early picks last year - grr) and barely scraped out 1000 yards. I don't know if I can call McAllister sturdy, and I just hate what the poor Saints are going to have to deal with just to play a game of football this year. Although maybe if it doesn't involve running on turf for 8+ games...

Barlow in round 10 - you know he was a first rounder last year, and the only change is SF sucks on offense

He didn't belong that high last year. He had two big games in 2003 and everyone projected him to be a capable 16-week every-down starter. And that just wasn't reality. I don't disagree with Barlow's value in round 10. I disagree with not getting my 2nd RB until round 10. I think I was on #4 by then.

I see we disagree on Ronnie Brown. The primary reason Brown has been slow to secure the #1 spot is because of his long holdout. And quite frankly, when you give a guy about $19 million in bonus money, he is going to be on the field until it requires a wheelchair to get him out there. Ricky Williams may very well not be a Miami Dolphin by the end of the season. Miami's willingness to trade him is one of the league's worst kept secrets. But nobody's interested until he's done with the suspension and shown to be healthy and fit enough to go. Frankly, if Fred Taylor's knee gets shaky at any point, I would not be surprised in the slightest to see Ricky Williams as a Jacksonville Jaguar.

WR's anchored by Harrison and Chambers - I'm happy there, with my picks for breakouts chosen there as well.

I like Chambers, especially in a Scott Linehan offense. Even with the uncertainty at QB, there will be an increase of balls thrown Chambers' way IMO. On my board, he's a lower-half of #2 WRs, though I have been targeting him as a #3 WR in my leagues, and got him there in two of them. In fact, you pulled the trigger on Chambers only a couple or so picks before I was to take him as my #3. I'd look at the rest of your WRs again but FOXSports.com won't load crap.

I ask what pressing needs that I had at this point

Well you and I disagree about your depth at a couple of positions.

Also, when I give full reviews, I also toss in predicted record, and playoff picks, so I'm waiting for those?

In fantasy football? Too much crap could go wrong!

JimmDogg wrote:

I'm not overly in love with this team either, but that usually means I did a good job drafting. I got 2 RB studs and Mewelde Moore will get multiple touches EVERY GAME, even if he doesn't start. I like to get 3 starting RBs

Well I am definitely on board with your stud starters! I would have just pulled the trigger on back #3 earlier. It's a crowded backfield in Mini Soda. An injury to Michael Bennett might help things. Which isn't exactly out of the picture.

I REALLY don't like Steve Smith, but someone has to catch balls in Carolina with TJ gone. I don't like Hines Ward either, but he puts up fantasy numbers and is as much as a "safe bet" (besides guys like Moss, TO, etc. that went early) as there was when I drafted him.

You feel about the same as I do on these. They're productive guys, they're right near/at the top of my WR board when the picks are made...but they're just not quite the guys I could take and feel comfortable with. Still, potentially very good picks.

Palmer scares me too, that's why I took Pennington AND Harrington. If one of those guys doesn't have a good year, then I just wasn't meant to win.

That is quite the strategy. I don't think I'm ever quite daring enough to make my QB position THREE rolls of the dice, but maybe you do hit one and reel in killer value.

In fantasy football? Too much crap could go wrong!

I agree, no point to that. The injury fairy will decide the title.

I remember one year (1999?) I had the best team on paper only to see my first round pick (Jamal Andersen) and my 4th round pick (Vinny T.) to be lost for the season, BY WEEK THREE. That was a long, bitter season.

SwampYankee wrote:

Why didn't anyone tell me my TS was re-broadcasting?

It was only here and there. I'm teasing you mostly.
But every now and then, it would.

Well I am definitely on board with your stud starters! I would have just pulled the trigger on back #3 earlier. It's a crowded backfield in Mini Soda. An injury to Michael Bennett might help things. Which isn't exactly out of the picture.

Bah! You're making me crazy! I wish the site was working so I could review the draft and see who I could have gotten with my third pick. Given my draft position and memory, there weren't any good RBs left, but now I need to check. I like M. Moore, I was planning on drafting him. Bennett will be on a SHORT leash with Tice on the hotseat.

Pigpen: Another thing about Ricky - he's not just suspended for the games. Ricky can not participate in practice, or even WATCH practice, until October 16th.

That's a month and a half completely away from the team facilities.

Even when the 4 game suspension is over, it's going to take more time and work before he's ready to be any sort of significant contributor. How well do YOU expect Ricky to keep himself in shape? What's a bored guy to sit around the house and do.... hmm, you know, I could go for a smoke...

I think that's one reason the Phins signed Jesse Chatman. Although I DON'T really think Ricky will hit the sticky icky again so quicky, I also don't think he's going to show up a month and a half from now in immaculate physical condition and with hours of playbook study under his belt. And if any playbook pages are missing, run.

JimmDogg wrote:

Bah! You're making me crazy! I wish the site was working so I could review the draft and see who I could have gotten with my third pick. Given my draft position and memory, there weren't any good RBs left, but now I need to check. I like M. Moore, I was planning on drafting him. Bennett will be on a SHORT leash with Tice on the hotseat.

I'm sure Moore was the best available back at the time of the pick. That's just what I mean - if you don't jump on RB #3 crazy early, then pretty soon that's all that's available. And think if you had passed on Mewelde and waited another round to get a RB! Normally it wouldn't be so crazy, but Grump's auto-picker forced everyone's hand.

Bennett is on a short leash, but he's also a talent. It also says something to me that Tice was willing to declare Bennett the starter the instant his neck was determined healthy enough to play.

I don't know about Moore - he stepped in and had 3 great games in '04, albeit against 3 less than scary run defenses. Ciatrick Fason is in the mix as well, as is Moe Williams. Moore is also nursing a sprained ankle he suffered in preseason game #3. Maybe not a massive concern but maybe something that gets easily re-tweaked and becomes a season-long annoyance. I just don't like fresh injuries.

In other news, the Fox Fantasy website is still a steaming pile. Sure wish I could edit my lineup... sure wish pages loaded in under ten minutes...

I was able to do my lineup. But refreshing pages a few times is sometimes necessary.

However, I have TE Chris Cooley in both leagues, and in neither league am I allowed to enter him into my starting lineup as a TE. It gives an error, as if the system does not realize he is a TE. Posted a message on the commish forums, hopefully they fix soon. It's only Cooley, every other player on my two rosters can fill their positions (including my other TEs) just fine.

I can't submit my lineup. AT ALL. Who picked this crappy website?

EDIT:

Fixed. To those who may be having problems, make sure you log in to your passport account (there is a link at the top). I wasn't able to change my lineup because I wasn't logged in. But instead of prompting me to log in (like it should) it gave me a low level scripting error. Nice error handling JERKS.