[Discussion] Mass Shootings - Yeah, we need a thread just for this...

This year is the deadliest year ever in terms of mass shootings. In a political climate of polarization, it becomes harder to suss out legitimate information from the misinformation propagated by those with political agendas. Complicating this more is the continual resistance of 2nd amendment advocates to allow for political talk surrounding these massacres. This will involve political discussion to see if there are ways we can all agree might be good ways to prevent mass shootings.

This discussion should involve the details of any current, or future mass shooting, and how they compare to past mass shootings. How are they the same? How are they different? Do gun laws have an impact? Does the race of the shooter affect how we treat them? What makes one a hate crime and one an act or terrorism? Are these shootings the price of freedom?

Some US states have firearm death rates comparable to countries in conflict, report says

A new report by the Commonwealth Fund finds some US states have firearm death rates comparable to countries in conflict, and even states with the fewest firearms deaths are far higher than peer developed democracies.

For instance, Mississippi’s rate of firearm-related violence (28.5 per 100,000 people) was nearly double that of Haiti (15.1 per 100,000) in 2021, when mercenaries assassinated the country’s president, unleashing a fresh round of gang warfare which pushed the country into a state of civil war.

Rhode Island, which has the lowest firearm death rate in the US (three per 100,000) is still 23 times higher than the United Kingdom (0.13 per 100,000) and nearly 1.3 times higher than France (2.3 per 100,000).

The US overall is in the 93rd percentile of all countries and territories for overall firearm mortality, at 13.5 deaths per 100,000 people, the Commonwealth report found.

“No country we compare ourselves to has the rates and absolute deaths like we do in the US,” said Evan Gumas, a research associate at the Commonwealth Fund in international health policy and practice who helped author the report. “It comes up anytime there’s a shooting that makes the news, when it should be something we’re paying attention to.”

In another example, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama and New Mexico all have higher firearm mortality rates than Mexico, where decades of violence between state forces and rival drug cartels has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths and left more than 115,000 people missing.

Notably, firearm-related death and injury is not synonymous with an increase in crime. Violent crime fell 15% from 2023 to 2024, according to the FBI. More than half of all firearm-related deaths (56.1%) in 2022 were from suicide, according to a report from the US surgeon general.

Vivek Murthy, the US surgeon general, declared firearm violence “a public health crisis in America” in a June report, citing statistics that firearms injuries in the US far surpassed peer wealthy nations and were growing quickly, especially among children and adolescents.

Firearms became the leading cause of death for American children aged one to 17 in 2020, surpassing car accidents and all other causes of illness and injury, such as drowning or suffocation. For comparison, the rate of firearm deaths among American children is 72 times higher in the US than in the UK (36.4 deaths per million versus 0.5 deaths per million).

“I went to public school in the wake of Sandy Hook,” said Gumas, referencing the Connecticut massacre in which a gunman killed six adults and 20 first-grade children. “School shooting drills were a very big part of our every day. That’s not normal.”

Shooting at Abundant Life Christian School in Madison, Wisconsin leaves 3 dead

Three people are dead and others are injured after a shooting Monday at a private Christian school in Wisconsin, including a student who caused the attack, authorities said.

Police say the student opened fire, killing two people in the final week before Christmas break. No details on the victims were immediately available.

Also, here's a related Frontline video, which will be searing and wildly depressing, as usual.

Is it wrong to note the irony of the name of the school?

It is. But also that is a really common name for Christian schools.

My middle school was named that!

TMZ wrote:

Natalie Rupnow, the 15-year-old girl police identified as the Wisconsin school shooter who killed a student and a teacher in a deadly rampage, looks like she knew how to handle a firearm ... at least according to the first photos to surface of her online.

In one photo, shared on her father's Facebook page, you see Natalie at a gun range ... and she's aiming at a clay pigeon with a shotgun.

Natalie is wearing a shirt featuring the German rock band KMFDM ... which is interesting, because Columbine school shooter Eric Harris was super into the band.

Okay, listen, I know. Having any expectations of TMZ is a fool's errand.

........but still.

It is the year of our lord 2024, about to be 2025, and we're still f*ckin' doing this?

Cops in Wisconsin say they do not have a motive here yet ... so it's unclear if Rupnow drew inspiration from the Columbine massacre.

NO F**KING SHIT YOU ASSHOLES

lol I have the hoodie version of that exact shirt.
As someone who’s been listening to KMFDM since high school in the mid 90’s it’s bitterly ironic whenever they get singled out like this, people looking into them are clearly just picking a song at random and going “ooh, loud germans, scary.” while the band has always pretty explicitly advocated for tolerance and nonviolent resistance.

ruhk wrote:

lol I have the hoodie version of that exact shirt.
As someone who’s been listening to KMFDM since high school in the mid 90’s it’s bitterly ironic whenever they get singled out like this, people looking into them are clearly just picking a song at random and going “ooh, loud germans, scary.” while the band has always pretty explicitly advocated for tolerance and nonviolent resistance.

Unless you happen to be Motherf*cking Depeche Mode.

The Madison, Wisconsin School Shooter Was A "Femcel" Columbine Copycat: Here's What That Means

Another Monday in America and another school shooting. On the morning of December 16th, a female student at Abundant Life Christian School in Madison, Wisconsin, shot and killed a teacher and fellow student and injured 6 others before killing herself. Initially police falsely reported the shooter was 17 years old, but late Monday night they correctly identified the deceased shooter as 15 year old Natalie Rupnow, who went by Samantha or Sam.

In the aftermath of this horrific event, rightwing influencers and content creators wasted no time in blaming the shooting on trans people, labeling the suspect as another in a series of alleged “transgender terrorists.” But what really happened here had nothing to do with trans people and is, sadly, ordinary for the United States.

In August of 2024, the father of the future school shooter took his daughter to a gun range to do trap shooting. Samantha wore a shirt bearing the logo of the band, KMFDM. In another photo of the shooter we can see the front of the shirt. The same design was famously worn by Columbine shooter Eric Harris, who was a fan of the band.

The bulk of the shooter’s online footprint suggests a general obsession with school shooters and the “TCC,” or True Crime Community, a nickname used for the de facto international Columbine fandom. This sort of content dominates her tumblr, which last posted in May of 2024. An alleged online friend of the shooter said that she “posted about school shooters all the time,” and “had school shooter leanings.”

Samanatha is hardly alone, there have been over 100 copycats inspired by the Columbine shooting since 1999.

A Twitter account believed to have belonged to the shooter posted a series of videos that teased and glorified school shootings in the days leading up to her own shooting. The account was created in December of 2024, and the profile picture featured a young man in camo pants and a tactical backpack.

This male profile picture was used as evidence by some conservative influencers that the shooter must have transitioned, though these same influencers could not agree on whether she was female-to-male or male-to-female. One user constructed an overlay trying to compare the photo of the shooter with her twitter profile picture.

The above post is, however, only proof that most of what gets passed off as “OSINT” online today is incompetent rambling and propaganda. The main issue with this diagram is that the male profile picture is actually another Columbine copycat school shooter from Russia who, similar to Samantha, was 15 years old when he carried out his shooting.

FEMCEL HITLER

Hours after the shooting, while right wing accounts were still arguing what sort of transgender the shooter had been, a neo-Nazi twitter account named Nitro claimed to be friends with the shooter on Discord and repeatedly denied accusations that the shooter was transgender, calling her a “biological woman.” An early complicating factor in establishing the motive and identity of the shooter is that her alleged twitter account posted a link to a google doc of her manifesto, but seemingly forgot to make the visibility setting public. The shooter’s alleged Discord friend, Nitro, claimed to find what he believed to be a snippet of a manifesto draft shared by the shooter in a Discord group chat. Nitro is in the UK, and so if legitimate (big if) this message would have been sent about an hour and a half before the shooting.

Hopefully to most people this should read like unintelligible gibberish, a reactionary “feminist” screed about initiating a wave of male-targeted violence to cleanse the earth, with pepperings of “moids,” “foids,” (internet incel slang for male and female, respectively) racial slurs, and something called “radfem hitler.” The incel content marks her out as a femcel, which means what you’d expect: Samantha was a female incel.

“Radfem Hitler”, meanwhile, is a reference to a Twitter influencer by the same name and the handle @hollowearthterf (“Terf” stands for “trans-exclusionary radical feminist”). Her content is a mix of trad-influenced rightwing feminism, advocating traditional gender roles for men and women, with anti-trans flourishes. Radfem Hitler supports a mass purge of “moids” (including trans women). She is derided by both those on the right and left, but has a small dedicated following of conservative radfem women with trad or occult interests.

Nitro claimed the shooter “was a fan of RFH (radfem hitler),” and talked about the account frequently on Discord, though Nitro previously believed her interest was merely ironic. An anonymous twitter nazi is certainly not the most reliable source. Nitro was the first person to correctly identify and post photos of the shooter, but they could be utilizing his newfound clout to troll a widely disliked twitter user. Though the fact that he’s been right about all other details inclines me to not discount his claims all together, just to hold them with a billion pounds of salt.

Allegations the shooter was a neo-nazi radfem certainly sent RFH into a panic, who quickly deleted her account. Meanwhile, some of her online associates worked damage control, claiming to have contacted the alleged boyfriend that the shooter had been “e-dating,” with the apparent intention of disproving any ties the shooter had to the twitter radfem orbit. Through the alleged online boyfriend, the rightwing TERF ecosystem claimed to have acquired a copy of the “full manifesto.”

This purported manifesto lacks the anti-male (moid) ramblings of the Discord screenshot, but unsurprisingly shares its use of racial slurs and glorification of violence, at times evocative of Pekka Eric Auvinen’s manifesto (a Finnish school shooter from 2007 who killed eight people). Auvinen considered himself a “natural selector” who had evolved beyond the classmates he gunned down. In Samantha’s purported manifesto he is mentioned by name as a “true inspiration.”

Over the course of 8 hours a radfem Twitter account released 6 pages of what appears to be Samantha’s writing. It contains general misanthropic rambling about humanity and parents being “scum.” The writing describes a difficult family life, suicidal thoughts, and admiration for school shooters and white supremacists. Though it briefly references Terrorgram “saints,” the whole of it is much more reminiscent of old school Columbiners than the modern white nationalist terror milieu.

The alleged manifesto directly names the two Columbine shooters, and includes a paragraph on Vladislav Roslyakov, another Columbine copycat but from Crimea, who also cosplayed one of the shooters.

Though the Discord nazi and the reactionary radfems question the authenticity of the other’s alleged manifesto, what both sides of the incel war do agree on is that Samantha was not transgender. It seems these days the fastest way to get transvestigated is to do a school shooting.

The rest is an interesting but disgusting dive into the RW influencer internet and their general soullnessness and inability to do anything but lie.

“Never believe that [fascists] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words.”

New details emerge as the search for a motive drives Wisconsin school shooting investigation

The Abundant Life Christian School in Wisconsin’s capital remains a crime scene Thursday as detectives search for a motive in the deadly Monday morning shooting carried out by a student and probe her possible links to a California man who authorities say was planning another mass shooting.

The campus remains closed as investigators comb through social media and documents to understand how 15-year-old Natalie Rupnow, who went by Samantha, got a firearm used in the killings at the private school in Madison.

Rupnow used a handgun to carry out the attack, authorities said. The handgun and a second gun not used in the attack were found at the scene, Madison police said Wednesday. The US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has traced the origins of the weapons, but police won’t provide further information on the guns, “as it could jeopardize our investigation,” a police statement said.

As investigators sift through Rupnow’s social media and analyze documents she is purported to have written, it also appears she had been in contact with Alexander Paffendorf, a 20-year-old man in Carlsbad, California, who was plotting a mass shooting with the teenager, San Diego County court documents show.

“During an FBI interview Paffendorf admitted to the FBI agents that he told Rupnow that he would arm himself with explosives and a gun and that he would target a government building,” state the documents, which do not identify the building.

A California judge issued a restraining order against Paffendorf on Tuesday under California’s red flag law. The order requires him to turn over his guns and ammunition to authorities within 48 hours unless an officer asks for them sooner. CNN has tried to reach Paffendorf for comment.

It’s not clear where Paffendorf is now.

Prederick wrote:

Some US states have firearm death rates comparable to countries in conflict, report says

A new report by the Commonwealth Fund finds some US states have firearm death rates comparable to countries in conflict, and even states with the fewest firearms deaths are far higher than peer developed democracies.

For instance, Mississippi’s rate of firearm-related violence (28.5 per 100,000 people) was nearly double that of Haiti (15.1 per 100,000) in 2021, when mercenaries assassinated the country’s president, unleashing a fresh round of gang warfare which pushed the country into a state of civil war.

Rhode Island, which has the lowest firearm death rate in the US (three per 100,000) is still 23 times higher than the United Kingdom (0.13 per 100,000) and nearly 1.3 times higher than France (2.3 per 100,000).

The US overall is in the 93rd percentile of all countries and territories for overall firearm mortality, at 13.5 deaths per 100,000 people, the Commonwealth report found.

“No country we compare ourselves to has the rates and absolute deaths like we do in the US,” said Evan Gumas, a research associate at the Commonwealth Fund in international health policy and practice who helped author the report. “It comes up anytime there’s a shooting that makes the news, when it should be something we’re paying attention to.”

In another example, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama and New Mexico all have higher firearm mortality rates than Mexico, where decades of violence between state forces and rival drug cartels has caused hundreds of thousands of deaths and left more than 115,000 people missing.

Notably, firearm-related death and injury is not synonymous with an increase in crime. Violent crime fell 15% from 2023 to 2024, according to the FBI. More than half of all firearm-related deaths (56.1%) in 2022 were from suicide, according to a report from the US surgeon general.

Vivek Murthy, the US surgeon general, declared firearm violence “a public health crisis in America” in a June report, citing statistics that firearms injuries in the US far surpassed peer wealthy nations and were growing quickly, especially among children and adolescents.

Firearms became the leading cause of death for American children aged one to 17 in 2020, surpassing car accidents and all other causes of illness and injury, such as drowning or suffocation. For comparison, the rate of firearm deaths among American children is 72 times higher in the US than in the UK (36.4 deaths per million versus 0.5 deaths per million).

“I went to public school in the wake of Sandy Hook,” said Gumas, referencing the Connecticut massacre in which a gunman killed six adults and 20 first-grade children. “School shooting drills were a very big part of our every day. That’s not normal.”

36.4 deaths per million is a much more impersonal way of staying 1 in 27,000 right? Then why not say that? Make it more personal. One kid in a football stadium. Not even a big one. A college stadium.

Population statistics tend to be done in bug round numbers like per million, per hundred thousand, per thousand, and they chose the per million scale to give you a sense of the vast difference between firearm death rates for children. Even at the per million scale, the UK rate is only at 0.5.