Alien Love Gardener wrote:I dunno, I think neither Venom nor Joker really work. If I had to pick one, it'd be Venom, because the odd couple energy results in some genuinely funny scenes despite itself, while Joker - while being genuinely handsomely made - just makes me wish I was watching the movies its imitating instead.
I'm glad it isn't just me. I see trailers for Joker 2 and I'm so painfully uninterested it's impressive. Venom is the best Sony-made 'current Spider-man' thing they have, but it's such a low bar to clear that almost anything would do it. I actually hate that the Sony movies are even considered Marvel movies, it just hurts the branding.
I honestly don’t understand how the Venom movies or Kraven can be considered “in the Sony Spider-verse”, seeing as they have exactly zero Spider-Man (character or references) in them.
They're purposely set there, even if they don't mention him. Kind of like what people want with a Star Wars story that is completely unrelated to any of the Skywalkers, Jedi, or any characters from the original trilogy.
They're purposely set there, even if they don't mention him. Kind of like what people want with a Star Wars story that is completely unrelated to any of the Skywalkers, Jedi, or any characters from the original trilogy.
Sure, but the main aspect of a Spider-Man universe is, well, Spider-Man. Venom exists specifically because of Spider-Man. Kraven comes to New York specifically because of Spider-Man. If you want to not have Spidey in your film, cool beans, but acknowledge that he’s part of the landscape.
Obviously you can build stories around characters that are similar to the Spider-Man villains, but pick your lane - either ignore Spider-Man or include him, but don’t ignore him and try to pretend you’re including him behind the scenes or something.
EDIT because Star Wars is the example I used in conversation earlier today: Star Wars is a setting, Spider-Man is a character. Lots of stories can happen in a given setting; it’s hard to justify calling a story a Spider-Man story when you don’t include Spider-Man in any way.
I haven't seen Venom but I'm trying to figure out how something with Eddie Brock could possibly work without someone named Peter Parker in it.
Kind of like how Joaquin's Joker is just a dumb Taxi Driver with no Batman.
I haven't seen Venom but I'm trying to figure out how something with Eddie Brock could possibly work without someone named Peter Parker in it.
Kind of like how Joaquin's Joker is just a dumb Taxi Driver with no Batman.
It becomes a neat story with similar characters and a copied name. (The Venoms are excellent fun movies. 
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Without the Peter Parker envy backstory, Brock was able to go straight to being an anti-hero, which is the more popular version of the character anyways. Not every spidey villain has that capability though, some are just best as villains.
I’m doing my annual rewatch of Captain Marvel today, and I just noticed something I never noticed before. There’s a scene where Carol is at her Air Force buddy Maria’s house in Louisiana, and the Skrulls stop by. The Skrull leader has his guy secretly shapeshift into Maria to distract her daughter. He later agrees to let the guy come in so they can figure out a thing.
Here’s the fun part: when the daughter and the other Skrull walk in, the other Skrull changes from Maria back into himself. In the background there is a very subtle musical cue that sounds like a Theremin—the sound that was used in every 50s and 60s movie with aliens to indicate something weird is happening.
Just finished the whole Infinity Saga rewatch. The ending of Endgame still gets me. Inexplicably got misty again. I blame the music.
It is astonishingly good.
Watching Falcon/Soldier for the first time with my son this week and he HATES John Walker. "THE real Captain Erica wouldn't do that!"
My work here is done.
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*well not a character I really care about but I hope it is good for those who like this kind of thing.
Watched Deadpool and Wolverine this afternoon.
Caveat - I am their target audience. A MCU fan who goes to these movies to see fights and quips.
D&W has both, in spades. It also earns the R rating within the first 2 minutes of the movie gore-wise, and the audio, if it ever gets to non-Disney+, will have more bleeps than an episode of The Osbournes.
The plot is your generic comic book plot.
The fights are very good.
I really, really enjoyed it. Is it the best MCU movie? Not by a longshot. Is it one of the best summer popcorn MCU movies that you can go in and turn your brain off? F*CK YEAH!
Lots of callbacks to other Marvel MCU (and non-MCU) properties.
Watched Deadpool and Wolverine this afternoon.
Caveat - I am their target audience. A MCU fan who goes to these movies to see fights and quips.
D&W has both, in spades. It also earns the R rating within the first 2 minutes of the movie gore-wise, and the audio, if it ever gets to non-Disney+, will have more bleeps than an episode of The Osbournes.
The plot is your generic comic book plot.
The fights are very good.
I really, really enjoyed it. Is it the best MCU movie? Not by a longshot. Is it one of the best summer popcorn MCU movies that you can go in and turn your brain off? F*CK YEAH!
Lots of callbacks to other Marvel MCU (and non-MCU) properties.
Story wise, the movie seems to intentionally be a bad as possible while still making it the best movie experience possible.
mudbunny wrote:Watched Deadpool and Wolverine this afternoon.
Caveat - I am their target audience. A MCU fan who goes to these movies to see fights and quips.
D&W has both, in spades. It also earns the R rating within the first 2 minutes of the movie gore-wise, and the audio, if it ever gets to non-Disney+, will have more bleeps than an episode of The Osbournes.
The plot is your generic comic book plot.
The fights are very good.
I really, really enjoyed it. Is it the best MCU movie? Not by a longshot. Is it one of the best summer popcorn MCU movies that you can go in and turn your brain off? F*CK YEAH!
Lots of callbacks to other Marvel MCU (and non-MCU) properties.
Story wise, the movie seems to intentionally be a bad as possible while still making it the best movie experience possible.
This is a good description; I know on a conscious level it was utterly terrible in any way that genuinely resembles the concept of a "movie", but it was still very enjoyable. It was like a sketch comedy show full of cameos and violence that just vaguely linked together hilarious things that had the vaguest of common threads, and, even though it was dumb as hell, it was still fun.
lunchbox12682 wrote:mudbunny wrote:Watched Deadpool and Wolverine this afternoon.
Caveat - I am their target audience. A MCU fan who goes to these movies to see fights and quips.
D&W has both, in spades. It also earns the R rating within the first 2 minutes of the movie gore-wise, and the audio, if it ever gets to non-Disney+, will have more bleeps than an episode of The Osbournes.
The plot is your generic comic book plot.
The fights are very good.
I really, really enjoyed it. Is it the best MCU movie? Not by a longshot. Is it one of the best summer popcorn MCU movies that you can go in and turn your brain off? F*CK YEAH!
Lots of callbacks to other Marvel MCU (and non-MCU) properties.
Story wise, the movie seems to intentionally be a bad as possible while still making it the best movie experience possible.
This is a good description; I know on a conscious level it was utterly terrible in any way that genuinely resembles the concept of a "movie", but it was still very enjoyable. It was like a sketch comedy show full of cameos and violence that just vaguely linked together hilarious things that had the vaguest of common threads, and, even though it was dumb as hell, it was still fun.
Yup.
I think movies like this (stupid fun) have an important place. Not everything has to be as serious as Civil War or Endgame. Sometimes, seeing DP use a corpse as a weapon is exactly what is needed, especially if the movie knows that is what it is.
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I'm excited for Agatha. She was a blast in WandaVision and I'm a fan of the actress in general. Forgot until the other night when I saw an interview that she was Olivia Octavius in Spider-Verse. More Kathryn Hahn please.
Kathryn Hahn's mutant ability is to know exactly the perfect amount of scenery she needs to chew at any given moment to make a scene great.
I watched the first two episodes and found it great fun. Aubrey Plaza and Kathryn Hahn are great together, and both are what my daughter would describe as "Serving", at least as I understand the term.
Yup. I am all in for this. They will have done for Thunderbolts what they did for Avengers. Origin stories/introductions, then putting them all together.
Marvel should make the most of the coup of getting Florence Pugh in the MCU - she just makes everything better she's in. That looks really fun though. I'm fairly uninterested in Walker and whatever Dreyfus's character is called, but I'm here for David Harbour and Hannah-John Kamen.
The first (and only) time I watched Black Widow, I was initially surprised at how much I was enjoying it, because it had gotten terrible reviews in every way, and I was seeing a really interesting story about two long-lost sisters trying to reconnect in the middle of this dark spy thriller. Then there was a flying space ship and explosions and I went "Ohhhhh this is why this movie is bad." The bits with Natasha and Yelena near the start of the movie were just great, and Hawkeye remains one of my favorite things Marvel has done just because of the Kate-Yelena banter. It's a great character, and I'm in.
I am pretty amused that it's basically stocked by characters from bad MCU movies/TV shows. Both Black Widow and The Falcon and Winter Soldier were pretty mech, but here we are.
I think Walker has potential. There's something about wanting to be all you can but just failing so miserably and having to deal with it. Honestly, it's mostly what Harbour is doing (who I adore as well) but with less slapstick. Now that I think about it, it's sort of weird they have three super-soldiers in there, but you go with the characters you have.
Oh! Bob is that Bob. Interesting.
I do hope they make Taskmaster more interesting in this.
Regardless, I'm all in for this.
The first (and only) time I watched Black Widow, I was initially surprised at how much I was enjoying it, because it had gotten terrible reviews in every way, and I was seeing a really interesting story about two long-lost sisters trying to reconnect in the middle of this dark spy thriller. Then there was a flying space ship and explosions and I went "Ohhhhh this is why this movie is bad." The bits with Natasha and Yelena near the start of the movie were just great, and Hawkeye remains one of my favorite things Marvel has done just because of the Kate-Yelena banter. It's a great character, and I'm in.
I am pretty amused that it's basically stocked by characters from bad MCU movies/TV shows. Both Black Widow and The Falcon and Winter Soldier were pretty mech, but here we are.
That's kind of the thing, there are so many good things in those bad movies/shows, I'm glad they could pull them out to do something better.
Even though F$WS didn't stick the landing, the Bucky/Sam (and Zemo) interactions were great. The scene with the Wakandans was great. I'm still mad how they did Sharon wrong.
I think Falcon/Winter is underrated.
You're right on about the dynamics with Zemo. Best part of the show.
Second best part was how they showed Cap isn't just a bunch of muscles. He does the right thing.
And Winter Soldier's arc is the third best.
Could care less about the baddies and certainly HATE US Agent.
I just feel levels of sympathy for Walker which I think is good characterization. Yes, he sucked as Cap. But he was being pushed to be Cap again (but more directly part of the US military) vs Sam who knew (as you said) Steve's example was being the good man, not the strong man.
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