[Discussion] Climate Change

This thread is just to post interesting news, thoughts, opinions about climate change.

Prederick wrote:
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European climate agency: Last Sunday was the hottest day on Earth in all recorded history

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Meme didn't even last 24 hours.

Monday was hottest recorded day on Earth: ‘Uncharted territory’

World temperature reached the hottest levels ever measured on Monday, beating the record that was set just one day before, data suggests.

Provisional data published on Wednesday by the Copernicus Climate Change Service, which holds data that stretches back to 1940, shows that the global surface air temperature reached 62.87F (17.15C), compared with 62.76F (17.09C) on Sunday.

Earlier this month, Copernicus found that global temperatures between July 2023 and July 2024 were the highest on record.

The previous record before this week was set a year ago on 6 July. Before that, the previous recorded hottest day was in 2016, according to the Associated Press.

Nah, the Homer Simpson "...so far!" meme is endlessly accurate. Despairingly, endlessly accurate.

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sigh..

They haven't said who pulled this off but man it feels like a great "Ministry for the Future" attack.

Olympics opening ceremony set to go ahead in Paris despite attacks on French railways

After Losing Crops to Drought, Sicily Fears Losing Tourism, Too

(New York Times paywall)

Click through for images though, they are looking not great!

As tourists savored icy granitas under hibiscus trees and swam in the cool Mediterranean Sea, in the farmlands of southern Sicily, among hillsides so scorched they resembled desert dunes, a farmer watched recently as his cows headed to the slaughterhouse.

After months of drought, he didn’t have any water or food to give them.

“It’s devastating,” said the farmer, Lorenzo Iraci Sareri, as tears fell on his tanned face, lined by 40 years of labor pasturing cows. “I have never seen something like this.”

Parts of southern Italy and other Mediterranean regions, including Greece and southeastern Spain, are experiencing one of their worst droughts in decades. It is particularly devastating, experts say, because the lack of rainfall has been made worse by the higher temperatures caused by climate change.

Artificial basins where animals used to drink offer little but cracked earth. Wheat ears are small and hollow. Pergusa Lake in central Sicily, part of a natural reserve, resembles a pale, dry crater.

But for many of these regions, the summer is also peak season for tourism, a key economic lifeline that the authorities fear is being threatened by news of water scarcity, and that they are trying to protect.

“We are forced to sacrifice the damage to agriculture, but we have to try not to damage tourism because it would be even worse,” said Salvatore Cocina, the head of Sicily’s civil protection.

He added that agriculture still accounts for the vast majority of water use, with the general population using just a fraction of it, even when it includes millions of tourists during the summer.

The authorities said they prioritized providing water to hospitals, to businesses that produce key assets like oxygen, and to vulnerable segments of the population. But also to hotels.

“The tourists don’t notice” the drought, Elvira Amata, Sicily’s top tourism official, promised.

Outside five-star resorts, in the arid South of the island, the signs were everywhere.

In Agrigento, which overlooks a valley holding the ruins of several Greek temples, the authorities are rationing water. Some homes on the outskirts have not received any in weeks.

Water scarcity has meant that a small number of small bed-and-breakfasts also had to pull some rooms from the market, or redirect custumers to other hotels, said Francesco Picarella, the head of Federalberghi, Italy’s main hotels association, in Agrigento. But what hurt most were news media reports warning that tourists were “running away” because a lack of water, he said.

Since the reports started coming out, bookings dropped significantly, Mr. Picarella said. The region immediately responded by summoning officials and urging them to protect the tourist season.

The mayor of Agrigento, Francesco Miccichè, said the authorities were distributing water more frequently to the city center, where most bed-and-breakfasts are, and they have made truckloads of water available to hotels. Some still complain about having to pay for the truckloads, but most hotels now can provide water, Mr. Picarella said.

“In the luxury sector I can’t tell them to ration showers,” said Isidoro di Franco, the general manager of Verdura Resort near Agrigento, as he sat at the bar overlooking green golf courses and lush pink and blue ornamental plants.

He said that the resort was restricting water use, and recycling water, but that it could not cut back on basic necessities.

The regional government is planning an advertising campaign to counter fear of the drought. Sicilians insisted that southern Sicily was not only ready to welcome tourists, but also desperately needed them.

“If you take us away tourism too, we are going to die,” said Cinzia Zerbini, a Sicilian spokeswoman for Coldiretti, Italy’s biggest farmers association.

Many farmers are already desperate. One, in the hills near the southern Sicilian town of Caltanissetta, said his goats were drinking from basins so depleted that one of them had died as the mud dried in her stomach.

In northeastern Sardinia, the main lake is at a third of its capacity. A local government representative said officials had to make a choice between tourism and agriculture, and completely halted running water for irrigation.

“We decided to sacrifice agriculture,” said Giancarlo Dionisi, the local prefect of the Sardinian province of Nuoro. While farmers would be compensated for their losses, he said, the damage of having waterless hotels could last longer.

“If tourists who come can’t shower, they create a negative word of mouth,” he said.

Many in Sicily were so appreciative of the financial benefits brought by tourism that they did not object to water consumption by tourists during the drought. Others raised objections.

Some farmers said that the heightened attention on visitors in Mediterranean regions was enabling a kind of tourism in which local conditions are not taken enough into consideration.

“Locals are getting fractious,” Francesco Vincenzi, the president of the Italian association of agricultural water boards, said in a statement. “They feel threatened in the availability of a primary good like water.”

In the drought affected Spanish region of Catalunya, locals started a campaign called #NoEnRaja, which roughly translates to “you can’t take something from nothing.” They argued that together with agriculture and industry, the booming tourism sector was responsible for the mismanagement of scarce resources.

According to Barcelona’s institute of regional and metropolitan studies, the water consumption of the average guest at a luxury hotel is five times that of a resident, contributing to what the campaign called “the injustice in the use of water.”

In Portugal this winter, as reservoirs emptied, orange farmers complained that golf courses were still being watered.

“First come the people, then the golf courses, then you,” Pedro Cabrita, an orange farmer, paraphrased a local official as telling him.

Some officials have responded to the apparent imbalance. On the Greek island of Sifnos last year, the mayor called for a ban on the construction of private swimming pools. In Spain, a recent ban on refilling swimming pools included fancy resorts.

Samuel Somot, a researcher at Météo-France, the National Weather Service in France, said increasingly harsh Mediterranean droughts risked future desertification as well as “water wars.”

The problem is likely to intensify. Higher temperatures mean that animals and plants are thirstier while lakes and basins evaporate faster, said Luigi Pasotti, a director with Sicily’s Weather Service for agriculture.

This year, Coldiretti said that Sicilian farms lost over 50 percent of their wheat harvest on average.

In the southern region of Puglia, honey production dropped 60 percent because it was so dry that many plants could not flower. The olive harvest there was predicted to fall by half because of the drought.

In Sicily, the drought is now bringing longstanding water management problems to the fore. Large quantities of water are lost because of poor infrastructure. In Agrigento, that can be over 50 percent, officials said. Desalinators and wells were dismissed in the past.

The Italian government has announced it would allocate 12 billion euros, roughly $13 billion, to water projects. After years of hearing promises, experts are skeptical that the projects could be put in place anytime soon.

But the issue needs to be addressed fast, said Edoardo Zanchini, the director of Rome’s climate office. “Otherwise the agriculture lands will be abandoned,” he said, “and abandoned lands become deserts.”

The Bank of Italy said the output generated by agriculture in Sicily had dropped last year because of climate induced shocks, while tourism grew. Many farmers in southern Sicily said that they could not withstand another bad year.

“If we don’t get forage and we don’t get water we will have to slaughter them all,” said Luca Cammarata, a goat farmer near Caltanissetta, as he pushed his skinny goats toward the few green sprouts left on his yellow pasture. Another year like this would amount to a “death sentence,” he said.

“Should we all move to the coast and do tourism?” he asked.

Asphalt burns, delirium, body bags: extreme heat overwhelms ERs across US

In his 40 years in the emergency room, David Sklar can think of three moments in his career when he was terrified.

“One of them was when the Aids epidemic hit, the second was Covid, and now there’s this,” the Phoenix physician said, referring to his city’s unrelenting heat. Last month was the city’s hottest June on record, with temperatures averaging 97F (36C), and scientists say Phoenix is on track to experience its hottest summer on record this year.

“All three of these situations are sort of disasters, where we became overwhelmed by something that had really serious effects on a large part of our population.”

n recent months, Sklar and his colleagues have seen waves of patients coming into the ER with heatstroke, dehydration and even asphalt burns.

He described seeing several patients in a single shift with heatstroke. “Typically people aren’t talking at all, they’re just breathing and gasping and are in very bad shape,” he said of the most severe cases.

As the climate crisis intensifies and shatters heat records, emergency rooms across the country are filling up with heat-sick patients. Officials recorded nearly 120,000 heat-related emergency room visits in 2023 alone, a “substantial” increase from previous years, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

At least 27 people in Maricopa county, where Sklar works, have died from heat so far this year, with hundreds of other deaths under investigation. But these figures are likely underestimates, as heat-related deaths are often undercounted, especially among outdoor workers.

“That’s the very tip of the iceberg,” said Sklar. “We really need to start thinking about heatwaves as a disaster.”

Extreme heat is not recognized by the federal government as a disaster. Earlier this month, 14 attorneys general led by Arizona’s Kris Mayes petitioned the Federal Emergency Management Agency to declare wildfire smoke and extreme heat as major disasters.

“We’re used to calling hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes disasters where there can be a lot of casualties, but they get done with pretty quickly in most cases,” Sklar said. “[Heat] is a slow-rolling disaster that goes on for weeks and months, and the people who are being affected are just really, really sick.”

Extreme heat is not recognized by the federal government as a disaster.

Lovely.

It’s just God thinking extra hard and long about how terrible the gays are.

So The Gay gets God hot and bothered?

...I always suspected... You know, the whole rainbow thing... And the diversity of species...

Robear wrote:

So The Gay gets God hot and bothered?

...I always suspected... You know, the whole rainbow thing... And the diversity of species...

Have you seen the documentary Jesus Christ Superstar? Certainly supports the theory of Christianity being gay AF.

Antarctic temperatures rise 10C above average in near record heatwave

Ground temperatures across great swathes of the ice sheets of Antarctica have soared an average of 10C above normal over the past month, in what has been described as a near record heatwave.

While temperatures remain below zero on the polar land mass, which is shrouded in darkness at this time of year, the depths of southern hemisphere winter, temperatures have reportedly reached 28C above expectations on some days.

The globe has experienced 12 months of record warmth, with temperatures consistently exceeding the 1.5C rise above preindustrial levels that has been touted as the limit to avoiding the worst of climate breakdown.

Michael Dukes, the director of forecasting at MetDesk, said that while individual daily high temperatures were surprising, far more significant was the average rise over the month.

Climate scientists’ models have long predicted that the most significant effects of anthropogenic climate change would be on polar regions, “and this is a great example of that”, he said.

“Usually you can’t just look at one month for a climate trend but it is right in line with what models predict,” Dukes added. “In Antarctica generally that kind of warming in the winter and continuing in to summer months can lead to collapsing of the ice sheets.”

Last month was the first in 14 months that temperature records were not broken, but that followed an exceptionally warm July 2023, and it remained 0.3C above any July before that.

Zeke Hausfather, a research scientist at Berkeley Earth, said Antarctica’s heatwave had “definitely been one of the bigger drivers in the spike of global temperatures in recent weeks”.

“Antarctica as a whole has warmed along with the world over the past 50 years, and for that matter 150 years, so any heatwave is starting off from that elevated baseline,” he said. “But it’s safe to say that the majority of the spike in the last month was driven by the heatwave.”

The heatwave is the second to hit the region in the past two years, with the last, in March 2022, leading to a spike of 39C and causing a portion of the ice sheet the size of Rome to collapse.

Antarctica’s increased July temperatures follow a particularly strong El Niño, the climate phenomenon that leads to warming around the world, and was likely also a lag effect of that, in combination with the general increase in temperatures caused by climate breakdown, Dukes said.

Scientists said the proximate cause of the heatwave was a weakened polar vortex, a band of cold air and low pressure that spins in the stratosphere around each pole. Interference from atmospheric waves had weakened the vortex and led to rising high-altitude temperatures this year, Amy Butler, an atmospheric scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, told the Washington Post.

Jamin Greenbaum, a geophysicist at the University of California San Diego’s Scripps Institution of Oceanography, said he was “certainly worried about what’s in store for this region in the years to come”.

“The majority of my field expeditions have been to East Antarctica where I have seen increasing melt through the years,” he said. “Although I’m of course alarmed to see these reports of the weakened polar vortex causing the tremendous heatwave there, I’m also not surprised considering this is sadly an expected outcome of climate change.”

The Simpson meme is to climate change stories what that one Onion article is to mass shootings.

A note from tonight's "interview."

i'm going to give trump the benefit of the doubt and assume he's being wry when he says that climate change will bring more ocean front property but it's not really funny to hear from a politician.

I mean, I think it's fair to not give him the benefit of the doubt.

Prederick wrote:

A note from tonight's "interview."

i'm going to give trump the benefit of the doubt and assume he's being wry when he says that climate change will bring more ocean front property but it's not really funny to hear from a politician.

I mean, I think it's fair to not give him the benefit of the doubt.

He's wrong either way. It's not going to create more ocean front property - it's just going to wipe out the ocean front property we already have and replace it with "new" ocean front property.

Also, all the people Female Doggoing about how they don't want wind farms in the water because it'll ruin the view should consider how the view will look when their and their neighbors' partially submerged beach houses are there instead.

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So not going to watch this after watching Greek tv from afar (we're on vacation), but let me assure you that 80%+ of places burning are either near our house, where I take walks, where I drive to work, where I drive to the metro, where we shop, go out to eat, or the route our babysitter takes to her house. The fires came within 200m north and 1k south of our house (it went around some streets, through a stretch of forest). We'll be going home to the monastery where I walk, burned, my most frequent 5k walk mostly burned, the school at the end of that walk, burned.

At one point they showed a road where firefighters and volunteers were trying to stop the fire from crossing from the marble businesses and brush around them, to the residential area one street south of them. Most of the footage focused on...the exact place I parked my car, 2007-2011, when we lived in Vrilissia.

This set of fires seems really f*cking personal. We already had fires hit the outside three wall on the property of the house we used to rent a year ago. And that fire was two years ago.

So sorry to hear this, Roo, I hope you don't lose your house with everything else that's been burned. It's a terrible thing.

Stay safe Roo. Too you and your family and friends.

Sympathy from Australia. We know how you feel.

Thanks folks. Our house is safe. The outdoor cats we adopted/take care of are safe. One neighbor told us the route to the metro (down one side of the mountain) is almost untouched, but once you hit the main road at the bottom, and all other routes off the mountain...not so much. Saving my sadness, and lingering anger, for when we get back. Been through this. Will volunteer and plant green stuff in blackened places when we're back in Athens.

I am glad you all and your house is safe, Roo. That whole situation must be terrible for your kids.

Corn sweat: crop moisture amplifies humidity and heat in US midwest

You won’t believe your ears, but corn is making the extreme heat the US midwest is battling feel more intense, according to experts.

The moisture – or “sweat” – that corn and other crops release in high temperatures is contributing to the humidity in the air in the midwest US, where 55 million people have been under alerts for extreme heat in recent days. The increase in moisture pushes up dew points, making it harder for water vapor to condensate – and for it to feel cooler.

Exacerbating the situation is the fact that the US is the “largest producer, consumer, and exporter of corn in the world”, as well as ethanol, which the country primarily makes from corn kernel starch, according to the US Department of Agriculture. And two states in the grips of the heatwave – Iowa and Illinois – are responsible for a third of US-produced corn.

That has left residents of those states, along with other prolific corn-producing neighbors, feeling even warmer as they grapple with scorching temperatures forecasted to reach 105F (41C) to 115F (46C).

“It is the plants reacting to that warmer weather. They also then need more moisture, so they’re uptaking more from stored-underground water and bringing that up to the atmosphere that we’re in,” Chris Clark, an agronomist at the University of Wisconsin-Madison told a local CBS news outlet.

One acre of corn, which is a little smaller than the size of an American football field, can can create 3,000 to 4,000 gallons of corn sweat, Clark said.

The climate crisis, caused primarily by the burning of fossil fuels, forest destruction and methane emissions, means heatwaves are increasing “in frequency, duration, intensity and magnitude”, according to the World Health Organization.

A heat dome covered large swathes of the US south-west earlier in August, affecting nearly 23 million Americans and straining energy infrastructure. And in the coming days, a heatwave may soon sweep over mid-Atlantic states, including parts of Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut and Rhode Island.

Heat is the leading cause of weather-related deaths in the US. According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, each year about 1,220 people in the US are killed by extreme heat.

The heatwave and the related corn sweat-induced humidity are part of broader extreme weather patterns seen in the US in recent days.

Elsewhere, an Alaska landslide reportedly killed a public works employee who had volunteered to help his community’s government respond to inclement weather during his scheduled time off.

A woman died in a Grand Canyon national park flash flood. Additionally, Hawaii was pounded with rain from Tropical Storm Hone, and California’s Sierra Nevada saw early-season snow.

Bushfires are scary, Roo. Sorry to hear you experienced them personally.

About 18-20 years ago my family's farm was facing being wiped out as fast winds pushed the embers and fire front so quickly there wasn't any evacuation warning. The fear and panic we had, shifting the household goods onto a truck and driving it in the middle of a bare field while hoping the firefighters could stop the flames was horrifying. I could see the rural fire service and volunteers using everything on neighbouring properties - hoses, buckets of soil/sand, damp potato sacks all to blunt the spread. Many trees and fences went down in that event but no human life was lost. We didn't sleep that night. Everything was glowing orange. It felt like the world had ended.

We were so grateful for the work on the front line we bought slabs of beer for the firefighters. Front line responders are unsung heroes.

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Bushfires are scary, Roo. Sorry to hear you experienced them personally.

About 18-20 years ago my family's farm was facing being wiped out as fast winds pushed the embers and fire front so quickly there wasn't any evacuation warning. The fear and panic we had, shifting the household goods onto a truck and driving it in the middle of a bare field while hoping the firefighters could stop the flames was horrifying. I could see the rural fire service and volunteers using everything on neighbouring properties - hoses, buckets of soil/sand, damp potato sacks all to blunt the spread. Many trees and fences went down in that event but no human life was lost. We didn't sleep that night. Everything was glowing orange. It felt like the world had ended.

We were so grateful for the work on the front line we bought slabs of beer for the firefighters. Front line responders are unsung heroes.

Volunteers saved most of the restaurants and homes in a 2km radius of us. There were firefighters and planes/helicopters, but Greece simply doesn't have enough. The country just made a deal to buy F35s from the US, which I'm assuming is a ton of money. Meanwhile, there are 770 fulltime firefighters and 50,000 police, in a country of 10.5 million, that's had more and more and more wildfires and arson fires every summer. There was a huge protest like 4 blocks from my house that we managed to drive through on our way home from our vacation in my wife's ancestral village. Turns out the prime minister of Greece was also there, trying to reassure the protestors. Four blocks from our house.

There's a 300-500 meter green area around our house, but all of the beautiful green areas (especially the monastery) that I used to walk through for 3-5km walks, are all burned down. The few cafes and restaurants next to this area, where we'd go as much for the view as the drinks/food, had the fires reach their backdoors. The view now...sucks. But crews have been out clearing everything in a way i've never seen in the city. I'm guessing certain rich VIPs or politicians like those cafes/restaurants and live in the neighborhood as well. Because nothing moves faster than bribes/graft in Greece...

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I'm guessing certain rich VIPs or politicians like those cafes/restaurants and live in the neighborhood as well. Because nothing moves faster than bribes/graft in Greece...

Sure sounds like someone's been Greece-ing the palms.

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It's a hard job, for sure. A good friend of mine volunteered for years and flew out to fight some of the worst bushfires. His lungs never quite recovered from the smoke inhalation and that was over 10 years ago.

I think there is absolutely a moment now for grief and fear, and even anger. Hopefully the restoration efforts go beyond just buildings and the landscape is rejuvenated.

Roo I recall you teach? It might be a great opportunity for students to learn more about things like fire safety, global warming, ecologies etc. I'm not sure how fast the Greek natural environment will recover but in Australia it took a few years and things somewhat returned to normal.