The Henry deal is a good because it's 2 years.
Unless he absolutely craters it's better than pretending Gus Edwards is actually going to play.
The Josh Jacobs deal looks bad. It's not. It's a 1 year deal actually. It's also probably a 1 year deal unless he plays amazing and if he earns it then whocares.
Maybe most surprising is Aaron Jones 1 year 7m to a non contending team without a QB. No playoff team wanted to throw him a fake multi year contract? I actually feel bad for him because if he landed on a AFC contender I could see him being a contributor. Vikings? Feels like a situation where they run him into the ground trying to make any offense spark and he's a FA next year 1 year older.
The Henry deal is, in reality, one year with a second year option. $9mil guaranteed and no commit for year two. Hard to see a downside in it at all.
Diontae Johnson (the WR) is going to CAR and Donte Jackson (the CB) is going to PITT.
I am glad to be a wet blanket.
Someone had to clear up the DJ-DJ nonsense!
Panther Fan is giddy like they got something over on the Steelers. Speaking of wet blankets, the Steelers were planning on cutting their DJ, too.
Although the Panthers got a WR who's probably the best receiver on their roster not named Adam Thielen, the jury is still out on whether the WR DJ is actually any good. (He's allegedly a good route runner but has a prima donna attitude and bad hands.) Meanwhile, without CB DJ, the Panthers are down to one starting-caliber CB -- Jaycee Horn, who's so fragile he might sprain an eyeball reading this post.
2023 Panthers: Lose every game 9-0
2024 Panthers: Lose every game 40-24
2024 Panthers: Lose every game 40-24
24 points seems optimistic.
Enix wrote:2024 Panthers: Lose every game 40-24
24 points seems optimistic.
Garbage time points still count.
End of the third the game is 37-10
Every game seems pessimistic. Easily a 1-16 team, 2-15 if they get a few breaks.
Ravens LT Ronnie Stanley to rework contract to something more realistic.
ukickmydog wrote:Enix wrote:2024 Panthers: Lose every game 40-24
24 points seems optimistic.
Garbage time points still count.
Exactly right. That's how Carolina brags about having a top 5 defense in yards given up when many of the opposing teams' drives started deep in Panthers territory.
If the other team is scoring but needs only 20 yards to do so, you're elite, baby!
UpToIsomorphism wrote:ukickmydog wrote:Enix wrote:2024 Panthers: Lose every game 40-24
24 points seems optimistic.
Garbage time points still count.
Exactly right. That's how Carolina brags about having a top 5 defense in yards given up when many of the opposing teams' drives started deep in Panthers territory.
If the other team is scoring but needs only 20 yards to do so, you're elite, baby!
For several years during The Dark Times of the 2010s, the Bucs had an awful record, but had good passing defenses. It's almost like having a series of QBs who were endless turnover factories giving opposing teams short fields to score on plus the fact the Bucs got so far behind early everybody just ran the ball against them constantly during the second half of it felt like every game for about decade and, well, nobody really needed to pass all that much.
I'm not here, don't look at me, I'm still gone.
I just had to drive-by post one thing:
Carolina traded:
Christian McCaffrey
DJ Moore
Brian Burns
1st round pick (#9 overall 2023, 1350 pts)
1st round pick (#1 overall 2024, 3000 pts)
2nd round pick (2025, 500* pts)
Carolina received:
1st round pick (#1 overall 2023, 3000 pts - used on Bryce Young)
2nd round pick (#39 overall 2024, 510 pts)
3rd round pick (#80 overall 2023, 190 pts - used on DJ Johnson)
5th round pick (#141 overall 2024, 35.5 pts)
5th round pick (2025, 34.5* pts)
Cancelled out:
2nd round pick (#61 overall 2023, 292 pts - received in CMC trade, used in Bryce pick trade)
3rd round pick (#93 overall 2023, 128 pts - received in CMC trade, used in trade-up for #80)
4th round pick (#132 overall 2023, 39.5 pts - received in CMC trade, used in trade-up for #80)
5th round pick (#166 overall 2024, 25 pts - received in CMC trade, used in Burns trade)
(*: estimate, projecting a bottom-half finish for both Carolina and the Giants, so I used the 8th overall draft slot, the midpoint of the bottom half, for each.)
This breakdown includes four trades: the three involving players, and a fourth on 2023 draft weekend in which they traded some of the picks they received from the CMC deal, which I needed to include to fully resolve the outcome of those picks.
Full details of each trade in the spoiler block for reference:
CMC to the 49ers
Panthers gave:
CMC49ers gave:
2nd round pick (#61 overall 2023)
3rd round pick (#93 overall 2023)
4th round pick (#132 overall 2023)
5th round pick (#166 overall 2024)DJ Moore + picks to the Bears
Panthers gave:
DJ Moore
1st round pick (#9 overall 2023)
1st round pick (#1 overall 2024)
2nd round pick (#61 overall 2023 - SF's pick from CMC trade)
2nd round pick (2025)Bears gave:
1st round pick (#1 overall 2023)2023 3rd round trade-up with Steelers
Panthers gave:
3rd round pick (#93 overall 2023 - SF's pick from CMC trade)
4th round pick (#132 overall 2023 - SF's pick from CMC trade)Steelers gave:
3rd round pick (#80 overall 2023)Brian Burns to the Giants
Panthers gave:
Brian Burns
5th round pick (#166 overall 2024 - SF's pick from CMC trade)Giants gave:
2nd round pick (#39 overall 2024)
5th round pick (#141 overall 2024)
5th round pick (2025)
To express the value another way:
Carolina traded:
Christian McCaffrey
DJ Moore
Brian Burns
4850 points of draft pick value
Carolina received:
3770 points of draft pick value
Carolina's return is so poor that they're still upside-down even if you take CMC, Moore, and Burns out of the trades. I'm pretty confident in saying that this ranks as some of the absolute worst asset management of the salary cap era.
But it's worth it because they picked their generational QB CJ Stroud...
Wait, what do you mean Bryce Young...
I'm not here, don't look at me, I'm still gone.
Panthers DJ update:
Carolina just signed Bills CB Dane Jackson after trading CB Donte Jackson to the Steelers.
A year after they traded WR DJ Moore to the Bears and signed WR DJ Chark*, Carolina is hoping that they can get a good season out of edge rusher DJ Johnson.
Meanwhile, the Panthers are kicking the tires on Vikings edge rusher DJ Wonnum.
I have no updates on two other Panthers' DJs, LB Deion Jones or CB D'Shawn Jamison. I'll let you know if I do!
* Edit: and traded for WR Diontae Johnson yesterday (he was the other half of the Donte Jackson swap)
I'm not here, don't look at me, I'm still gone.
At least he mentioned the 49ers.
Panthers DJ update:
Carolina just signed Bills CB Dane Jackson after trading CB Donte Jackson to the Steelers.
A year after they traded WR DJ Moore to the Bears and signed WR DJ Chark*, Carolina is hoping that they can get a good season out of edge rusher DJ Johnson.
Meanwhile, the Panthers are kicking the tires on Vikings edge rusher DJ Wonnum.
I have no updates on two other Panthers' DJs, LB Deion Jones or CB D'Shawn Jamison. I'll let you know if I do!
* Edit: and traded for WR Diontae Johnson yesterday (he was the other half of the Donte Jackson swap)
At some point, you start wondering if David Tepper has a very, very specific fetish.
Q.A.A.Ron Rodgers has been Q.A.A.Ron Rodgers for a long time now:
Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has confirmed that among his potential vice-presidential prospects is New York Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers, who in private conversations shared deranged conspiracy theories about the 2012 Sandy Hook school shooting not being real.CNN knows of two people with whom Rodgers has enthusiastically shared these stories, including with Pamela Brown, one of the journalists writing this piece.
Brown was covering the Kentucky Derby for CNN in 2013 when she was introduced to Rodgers, then with the Green Bay Packers, at a post-Derby party. Hearing that she was a journalist with CNN, Rodgers immediately began attacking the news media for covering up important stories. Rodgers brought up the tragic killing of 20 children and 6 adults by a gunman at Sandy Hook Elementary School, claiming it was actually a government inside job and the media was intentionally ignoring it.
When Brown questioned him on the evidence to show this very real shooting was staged, Rodgers began sharing various theories that have been disproven numerous times. Such conspiracy theories were also later at the center of lawsuits brought by victims’ families when they sued conspiracy theorist Alex Jones on the matter.
2013. He's always been this guy but no one bothered to mention it until recently.
Edit: For reference -
He's been this guy since the second HAHA.
The G in Jimmy G stands for "Go away."
I am so here to see King Henry truck the life out of Minkah Fitzpatrick.
In what is terrible news for NFC South teams and great news for NFC East teams, Devin White has signed a one-year deal with the Eagles. Philly fans, you will never see somebody so fast and athletic run themselves so far out of position they're not even on camera again. It's a truly special experience.
In what is terrible news for NFC South teams and great news for NFC East teams, Devin White has signed a one-year deal with the Eagles. Philly fans, you will never see somebody so fast and athletic run themselves so far out of position they're not even on camera again. It's a truly special experience.
So it's great news for only 75% of the NFC East teams then.
MilkmanDanimal wrote:In what is terrible news for NFC South teams and great news for NFC East teams, Devin White has signed a one-year deal with the Eagles. Philly fans, you will never see somebody so fast and athletic run themselves so far out of position they're not even on camera again. It's a truly special experience.
So it's great news for only 75% of the NFC East teams then.
Per how Eagles fans appear to be reacting, their LB corps is so bad they're happy, because they think this is an upgrade SPOILERS IT IS NOT. Even Eagles fans will think this is great news until he starts playing. Everybody wins!
Er…most of us are still trying to understand the Barkley deal…not worrying about some LB on a 1 year deal playing on a historically awful defense.
Wow. So the Bolts went from just over $80M against the cap to just over $10M against it in their WR room.
I guess they really want to see if Herbert has got it.
I'm not here, don't look at me, I'm still gone.
I just had to drive-by post one thing:
Carolina traded:
Christian McCaffrey
DJ Moore
Brian Burns
1st round pick (#9 overall 2023, 1350 pts)
1st round pick (#1 overall 2024, 3000 pts)
2nd round pick (2025, 500* pts)Carolina received:
1st round pick (#1 overall 2023, 3000 pts - used on Bryce Young)
2nd round pick (#39 overall 2024, 510 pts)
3rd round pick (#80 overall 2023, 190 pts - used on DJ Johnson)
5th round pick (#141 overall 2024, 35.5 pts)
5th round pick (2025, 34.5* pts)Cancelled out:
2nd round pick (#61 overall 2023, 292 pts - received in CMC trade, used in Bryce pick trade)
3rd round pick (#93 overall 2023, 128 pts - received in CMC trade, used in trade-up for #80)
4th round pick (#132 overall 2023, 39.5 pts - received in CMC trade, used in trade-up for #80)
5th round pick (#166 overall 2024, 25 pts - received in CMC trade, used in Burns trade)(*: estimate, projecting a bottom-half finish for both Carolina and the Giants, so I used the 8th overall draft slot, the midpoint of the bottom half, for each.)
This breakdown includes four trades: the three involving players, and a fourth on 2023 draft weekend in which they traded some of the picks they received from the CMC deal, which I needed to include to fully resolve the outcome of those picks.
Full details of each trade in the spoiler block for reference:
Spoiler:CMC to the 49ers
Panthers gave:
CMC49ers gave:
2nd round pick (#61 overall 2023)
3rd round pick (#93 overall 2023)
4th round pick (#132 overall 2023)
5th round pick (#166 overall 2024)DJ Moore + picks to the Bears
Panthers gave:
DJ Moore
1st round pick (#9 overall 2023)
1st round pick (#1 overall 2024)
2nd round pick (#61 overall 2023 - SF's pick from CMC trade)
2nd round pick (2025)Bears gave:
1st round pick (#1 overall 2023)2023 3rd round trade-up with Steelers
Panthers gave:
3rd round pick (#93 overall 2023 - SF's pick from CMC trade)
4th round pick (#132 overall 2023 - SF's pick from CMC trade)Steelers gave:
3rd round pick (#80 overall 2023)Brian Burns to the Giants
Panthers gave:
Brian Burns
5th round pick (#166 overall 2024 - SF's pick from CMC trade)Giants gave:
2nd round pick (#39 overall 2024)
5th round pick (#141 overall 2024)
5th round pick (2025)To express the value another way:
Carolina traded:
Christian McCaffrey
DJ Moore
Brian Burns
4850 points of draft pick valueCarolina received:
3770 points of draft pick valueCarolina's return is so poor that they're still upside-down even if you take CMC, Moore, and Burns out of the trades. I'm pretty confident in saying that this ranks as some of the absolute worst asset management of the salary cap era.
So, back to this; in the very opposite of Carolina, what Chicago has gotten from trading the #1 overall pick last year:
OT Darnell Wright
WR Keenan Allen
CB Tyrique Stevenson
WR DJ Moore
1st overall pick in this draft
2nd round pick in 2025
The sad thing is I think we all expect them to still suck because it's Chicago.
A great weight has been lifted off of the QBs of the NFC West.
He'd thought of it before, but, damn, guess I've seen a guy who could legitimately be considered the greatest DT of all time play for the last time. Safe to say we know who's going to be in Canton in five years.
Aaron Donald retires.
That sound you hear is the rest of the NFC West sighing in relief. Indisputably one of the greats, made me nervous about every Rams game every year.
Dang, Pittsburgh got jack-crap for Pickett.
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