I haven’t played franchise mode in The Show for a long time, but the finances didn’t seem to have much connection to reality back when I did.
OOTP has been badly in need of improvements to the financial aspects for awhile. They do allow you to offer back loaded contracts though nothing quite like this deal. When those were first introduced you could come close to looking like the Ohtani deal, but they players less likely to agree to such things eventually. It’s already the case that you can end up with massive contracts if you do things right (or wrong depending on your point of view). I’m guessing they just ignore it and continue to heavily focus on Perfect Team.
If the NFL functioned like the MLB does in terms of being dominant in the regular season translating over into world championships, the Patriots would have only won maybe two Super Bowls under Tom Brady.
I am really not a Dodgers fan - although I have been following Joe Kelly‘s career for a while now - but I have to say that I am really curious in seeing what this new lineup manages to achieve.
So I expect to be a dodgers fan next season, since the games will be on tv. But as a newly minted fan, granted his numbers are insane but is it normal to sign a massive 12 year contract with a pitcher who's never thrown an MLB ball?
Anything above 8 years for a pitcher has not really ever been seen. 5-6 years for a pitcher is more normal. Dodgers are now the national "F" you team everyone not a Dodger fan will hate. Use to be the Yankees and all their spending on Mercs now the Dodgers just blew way past anything the Yankees ever did.
What's the success rate of Japanese players? Off the top of my head, really only Nomo, Ichiro, Matsui and Ohtani were star players. Most were just serviceable players with some real duds (*cough* Tsuyoshi Nishioka *cough*). This isn't serviceable player money.
Edit: Looking up WAR stats for Japanese players, Darvish has had a much better career than I remember (third in WAR behind Ichiro and Ohtani). I always felt like he was disappointing maybe just because the Twins were decent against him. Hiroki Kuroda, a guy whose career I have no memory of, is just under Nomo. There are a few more guys there that qualify as really good but then a lot of guys that fall into that serviceable player category. And then there's Nishioka all the way at the bottom. Maybe if f*cking Nick Swisher hadn't broken his leg he would have had more than -2.3 WAR.
What's the success rate of Japanese players? Off the top of my head, really only Nomo, Ichiro, Matsui and Ohtani were star players. Most were just serviceable players with some real duds (*cough* Tsuyoshi Nishioka *cough*). This isn't serviceable player money.
Tanaka and Darvish.
Can someone explain the deferred comp aspects of Ohtani's deal? I can't find anything legit on it.
So, he's deferring $68mm/yr, right? Is there interest added to that each year? If yes, how does that make sense for LAD when the bill comes due? If no, how does that make sense for Ohtani (ie, why not just sign for $60mm/yr 'regular' elsewhere?)? Either the team is coming out ahead on the math or he is. And the party who isn't is a sucker.
This gets around "sAlArY CaP" because reasons. Sure. What happens when the balloon payments kick in? Are those also exempted from luxury rules? If yes, why isn't every team doing this (or at least a partial version)? If no, how does this make sense for LAD?
I mean, if championships were a real asset I'd get it but the marginal value of a championship is...kinda vague? And not guaranteed, so deferring a $680+mm payment (25% of the value of the franchise?) i to the future seems really risky.
But what do I know?
I can't wait for him to end up in the KBO and praising North Korean propaganda or something.
Can someone explain the deferred comp aspects of Ohtani's deal? I can't find anything legit on it.
So, he's deferring $68mm/yr, right? Is there interest added to that each year? If yes, how does that make sense for LAD when the bill comes due? If no, how does that make sense for Ohtani (ie, why not just sign for $60mm/yr 'regular' elsewhere?)? Either the team is coming out ahead on the math or he is. And the party who isn't is a sucker.
This gets around "sAlArY CaP" because reasons. Sure. What happens when the balloon payments kick in? Are those also exempted from luxury rules? If yes, why isn't every team doing this (or at least a partial version)? If no, how does this make sense for LAD?
I mean, if championships were a real asset I'd get it but the marginal value of a championship is...kinda vague? And not guaranteed, so deferring a $680+mm payment (25% of the value of the franchise?) i to the future seems really risky.
But what do I know?
Not much to explain.
It's really good for the Dodgers and I'm not sure if it was in a podcast or article but it boiled down to what he wanted.
He's already stupid rich and wants to win. The winning part also leads to more richness.
Ohtani was asking questions like who's who in your minor league system etc. Dodgers were best positioned to go on a dynasty run and he will still make crazy money.
Ok. He wants to win. But also wants some money approaching most of a billion. Sure.
How does this circumvent salary cap rules? Won't LAD face an enormous penalty when the payments hit a la Bonilla's contract? Those payments need to be kept as a liability for 10 years! $680mm worth! 25% of the company!
Ok. He wants to win. But also wants some money approaching most of a billion. Sure.
How does this circumvent salary cap rules? Won't LAD face an enormous penalty when the payments hit a la Bonilla's contract? Those payments need to be kept as a liability for 10 years! $680mm worth! 25% of the company!
Bonilla is like $1m per year, which is pretty meaningless to an MLB team at this point. Amusingly, the original defferred amount was only ~$6m.
Anyway, they probably assume the luxury tax threshold will rise over the next 10 years, making that $68m less of a big deal than it would be now. Also, IIRC this ownership group has shown a willingness to go over the threshold in the past, so maybe they just don't care.
Top_Shelf wrote:Ok. He wants to win. But also wants some money approaching most of a billion. Sure.
How does this circumvent salary cap rules? Won't LAD face an enormous penalty when the payments hit a la Bonilla's contract? Those payments need to be kept as a liability for 10 years! $680mm worth! 25% of the company!
Bonilla is like $1m per year, which is pretty meaningless to an MLB team at this point. Amusingly, the original defferred amount was only ~$6m.
Anyway, they probably assume the luxury tax threshold will rise over the next 10 years, making that $68m less of a big deal than it would be now. Also, IIRC this ownership group has shown a willingness to go over the threshold in the past, so maybe they just don't care.
Exactly.
The owners were not afraid of spending already and the Ohtani terms were very team friendly.
I have no clue what kind of revenue MLB teams do in Japan with merchandising etc but the Dodgers just cornered that market.
Make or break will now obviously be if they actually win. Not sure what the breaking point is of titles vs profit but it might even be 0.
Honestly, very surprised Mauer got in first ballot. I mean, he should but voters tend to be stupid.
Yes, because private equity billionaires are renowned for letting people run the business who actually know how to run the business.
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