NFL 2023: The Week 2 thread

Enix wrote:

Five internet points for anyone who can find me a GIF of Tiny BY trying to take a shotgun snap from the right guard.

You need a more established QB than that little guy, too bad you don't have someone like Baker Mayfield back there.

JT OSullivan did a good breakdown on Lamar Jackson's performance in the Cincy game. Lots to like, but lots to improve upon. He stands up a bit tall in the pocket and is a little heel clicky which slows his release. If he threw when he had his feet, he would have scored a TD on that missed Flowers pass early in the first quarter making it 14-0 and running away. He also had a handful of missed reads that ended up with him missing chunk plays that still moved the chains, so they didn't hurt, per se. They just didn't maximize on opportunities.

That said, he also managed to torch the secondary when the pressure didn't arrive and stole a lot of yardage with his feet when they dropped more than 4 into coverage. With relatively minor improvements, that game could easily have gotten way out of control. We're talking 24-3 at half.

A lot of that has to do with Lamar playing in a completely new system with completely new offensive tools. As Dan Orlovsky predicted, the Ravens won't hit their offensive stride for another four or five games.

Mina Kimes did a stat analysis and it looks like last year, he faced stacked boxes on roughly 35% of offensive snaps. Now, it is down to 16% because of the outside passing threat. Monken is making teams defend every inch of the field.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
Enix wrote:

Five internet points for anyone who can find me a GIF of Tiny BY trying to take a shotgun snap from the right guard.

You need a more established QB than that little guy, too bad you don't have someone like Baker Mayfield back there.

I wonder what Sam Darnold is doing these days?

Also funny: On the (ironically labeled) 4th and short, the Panthers trotted the Red Rifle out there twice, presumably to do a QB sneak. Instead, the Panthers false-started on their first try. On their second, Dalton completed a nice little swing pass for a first down.

Update: Found Darnold. Looks like he got a job with the Niners.

Tua was having some issues with snaps on Sunday night but I had not noticed that he even fumbled a kneeldown. Yikes.

Pink Stripes wrote:

Tua was having some issues with snaps on Sunday night but I had not noticed that he even fumbled a kneeldown. Yikes.

Somewhere Joe Pisarcik is smiling.

Time for everybody's favorite annual tradition; arguing about NFL Hall of Fame nominees.

Does not look like a notably strong group of new nominees, so could be one of those "clear the WR backlog" years.

The group is headlined by former Panthers, Bears, and Packers defensive end Julius Peppers and former Chargers tight end Antonio Gates. It also includes wide receivers Brandon Marshall and Jordy Nelson; running back Jamaal Charles; offensive linemen T.J. Lang, Josh Sitton and Max Unger, and defensive lineman Haloti Ngata.

Peppers and Gates are easy picks and I'd guess the former is first ballot easily and Gates has a shot, but wouldn't wait too long with as dominant as he was in the passing game for quite a while. Don't think anyone else on that list has a chance outside Ngata, who is one of those "eh, fine if he does, fine if he doesn't" candidates.

A Raiders meatrider friend of mine tried to tell me that Sebastian Janokowski should be in the HoF. I told him the only two kickers that should ever be allowed in Canton should be Adam Vinatieri and Justin Tucker (who should be preemptively inducted before he retires). After that, a bylaw should be created to bar any additional kickers forever.

I've heard the "Janikowski belongs in the Hall of Fame" thing more than once, and it's inexplicable; he was a tubby meme kicker who took a few comically long FG attempts while playing for terrible teams, and he was basically mediocre for a really long time. He stuck on the Raiders because it would have been embarrassing to cut him and admit they'd made one of the dumbest drafting decisions ever by taking him in the first round, but he made the Pro Bowl once, was middle of the pack in accuracy consistently, and his accuracy didn't change much between being on the road or kicking off the infield and old Oakland Stadium. He just wasn't very good.

Paleocon wrote:

A Raiders meatrider friend of mine tried to tell me that Sebastian Janokowski should be in the HoF. I told him the only two kickers that should ever be allowed in Canton should be Adam Vinatieri and Justin Tucker (who should be preemptively inducted before he retires). After that, a bylaw should be created to bar any additional kickers forever.

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MilkmanDanimal wrote:

Time for everybody's favorite annual tradition; arguing about NFL Hall of Fame nominees.

First, Pat Willis needs to be a shoo-in this year. He should have gone in last year, but OK fine, Zach Thomas was in year 10 of his eligibility and Willis is much earlier into his, it was Thomas’s “turn”. That’s done with. Willis now.

Next, Willie Anderson needs to go in. Get it done.

I don’t think any of the first-timers really merit “first ballot” induction, but if Julius Peppers goes in, I won’t be mad.

so could be one of those "clear the WR backlog" years.

Yeah, I think at least one out of Torry Holt and Andre Johnson goes in this year.

Paleocon wrote:

I told him the only two kickers that should ever be allowed in Canton should be Adam Vinatieri and Justin Tucker (who should be preemptively inducted before he retires). After that, a bylaw should be created to bar any additional kickers forever.

Jake Moody says f**k your bylaws, he’s kicking the door down and coming in.

EDIT: DAMN ukick beat me to it, you beautiful bastard.

Pro Football Reference has the most deserving from that list in relation to other HOFers (in order of position, not overall score):

  • Reggie Wayne
  • Torry Holt
  • Steve Smith
  • Jahri Evans
  • Jeff Saturday (LOL)
  • Kevin Williams
  • Julius Peppers
  • Dwight Freeney
  • Patrick Willis
  • Terrell Suggs
  • Shane Lechler

Fine, my seven are Julius Peppers, Torry Holt, Jahri Evans, Patrick Willis, Willie Anderson, Reggie Wayne, and, sure, Antonio Gates.

HoF is and forever will be a joke since they didnt put TO in on the first ballot. Top 3 WR of all time.

TheGameguru wrote:

HoF is and forever will be a joke since they didnt put TO in on the first ballot. Top 3 WR of all time.

Come for the brand-new Ferris wheel. Stay for the Build-a-Bear.

*Legion* wrote:

Yeah, I think at least one out of Torry Holt and Andre Johnson goes in this year.

I'm too lazy to look anything up so I'm just going off of shitty memory but wasn't Johnson's career pretty short? I feel like he was basically the best receiver in the NFL for, like, three years and then he was done.

Johnson’s first Pro Bowl was his age 23 season (David Carr at QB), and his last Pro Bowl was his age 32 season (Matt Schaub at QB). He played 14 seasons, and he’s 11th in career receiving yards.

It’s just that Houston was so irrelevant across that time that nobody outside the AFC South had any reason to pay attention to them.

Feel free to continue the HoF discussion at the WEEK 3 THREAD.