[News] They indicted!

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NY grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump, sources tell CNN

I know we have a news thread, but come on this is the biggest event in a long, long time.

This is like when he got Covid - I don't even care whether or not anything comes of it, right now his suffering is delicious to me.

Here's to the first of many!

I wonder if will have caught his moronic followers flat footed enough that they can't burn New York to the ground this weekend?

Over/Under 5 NYPD cops taking selfies with him at the booking?

Hopefully the first of many.

Great news. Lock him up!

I am still not convinced he will ever spend a night in a bed that is provided by the State.

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UpToIsomorphism wrote:

I am still not convinced he will ever spend a night in a bed that is provided by the State.

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The “you can indict a ham sandwich” saying comes to mind here. It’s very hard to convict on campaign spending violations - just look at John Edwards. And Edwards didn’t have the full backing of the Democratic Party nor did he have millions of diehard cultists who could threaten unrest or bully jurors. Heck, what are the chances that the prosecution can prevent jury nullification? Unless of course they’re drawing jurors only from NYU or Columbia.

jdzappa wrote:

The “you can indict a ham sandwich” saying comes to mind here. It’s very hard to convict on campaign spending violations - just look at John Edwards. And Edwards didn’t have the full backing of the Democratic Party nor did he have millions of diehard cultists who could threaten unrest or bully jurors. Heck, what are the chances that the prosecution can prevent jury nullification? Unless of course they’re drawing jurors only from NYU or Columbia.

Edwards didn't have his longstanding personal lawyer and fixer get sentenced to three years in jail because Edwards' specifically and directly told him to make illegal payments using campaign funds.

Trump did with Michael Cohen.

But you are right that this is the weakest of the potential indictments Trump's facing even though everyone clearly knows the f*cker did it. That and Trump's facing about 30+ counts in his indictment whereas Edwards only had six.

SE Cupp, in a video from CNN (Transcribed by myself but here's the video itself, this starts at about 1:06):

But also it's important to look at the people who are outraged, right, the folks running against Donald Trump, the Tucker Carlsons, the Fox Newses, the Republican Trump Surrogates... These are people who are outraged by this indictment.

They were not outraged by Trump's attempt to overturn a Democratic election.

They were not outraged by the violence on January 6th.

They were not outraged by an illegal phone call to the Georgia Secretary of State, an illegal phone call to Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

They were not outraged by multiple credible accusations of sexual harrassment, assault, and rape.

They're not outraged by Trump's sexist, bigoted, homophobic, xenophobic rhetoric.

They're not outraged by his white nationalism.

They're not outraged by his defense of anti-semitism and neo-nazis.

They're not outraged by all that stuff, so with all due respect, no one should care that these people are outraged by this indictment.

(Spoilers: People will care and listen to them anyway because American Political Tribalism.)

They'll care and listen to them anyway because they are at the very bottom of the Basket of Deplorables.

In response to the constant barrage of Trump outrage, I've taken to saying 'Wake me up when there's an indictment'.

I'm awake now! But I also agree that this is probably the least consequential thing they could have gone after him for. I'm much more interested in the election interfering and coup-inciting.

Yeah it seems like Georgia phone calls asking for 11k votes should be the thing that buries him. But we'll see

Stele wrote:

Yeah it seems like Georgia phone calls asking for 11k votes should be the thing that buries him. But we'll see

This! How is this not farther along? It's a f*cking slam dunk case!

Every news story about this should start with "Florida Man ..."

Welcome to my TED talk.

It felt like following OJs SUV today on the news

I really feel like news reporters need to address any current and future fundraising in absolute units. The indicted former President raised 53 pornstar hushmoneys since the indictment was announced

Here's the indictment. Thirty-four counts of "falsifying business records in the first degree."

Business law brought down Capone too.

He's due back in court on December 4, for those of you wondering how long this will get dragged out.

The cynic in me is that both sides will drag this out long enough for him to become President again so it can all go away.

I wonder how DeSantis plays this when he actually decides to run.

NathanialG wrote:

I wonder how DeSantis plays this when he actually decides to run.

My guess is poorly. There's still time, sure, but I'm starting to feel like I misread DeSantis. I had thought he was a reasonably observant person. I thought he had probably learned enough from watching the last few years of the Trump show to be a shoo in for the Republican nomination. All he had to do was become Trump 2.0. Do everything Trump did, but with the advantages of intact cognition and a lifestyle that doesn't require superhuman levels of cognitive dissonance for moral and religious people to still support him.

Recently, I'm starting to feel like he didn't learn the key lesson. Republican voters don't care about results. They want someone who is unfailingly, aggressively self-confident and belligerent no matter how wrong they are or dumbass they sound. They want their perception of the ultimate alpha male.

This is the perfect chance for DeSantis to take Trump head on and assert his dominance. Instead, he's only vaguely criticized him and pivoted to the comfortable ground of attacking Democrats. You think Trump wouldn't be taking this opportunity to absolutely trash DeSantis if the situation were reversed?

If he keeps this up, he'll be on the way to joining the ranks of Ted Cruz and Jeb Bush in the loser's circle.

Seven counts involving the mishandling of classified docs:

“We’re learning from our sources that there appears to be at least seven counts here. This ranges from everything from the willful retention of national defense information to conspiracy to a scheme to conceal to false statements and representations," ABC News' Katherine Faulders reported during a special report on the network.

Posted about it in the news thread earlier but yeah, he’s freaking out about it.

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I genuinely am convinced that all of his opponents are basically banking on this to take him out of the primary. Oh, they'll yell about it and pardon him afterward, but they're all hoping this knocks him out of contention.

Technically, it's not "classified" docs, it's Section 793 about any "information respecting national defense." A strategic choice by prosecuters to avoid the whole "I can declassify documents with my mind" circus.

As Wonkette said, in their breakdown:

Point is, it's all happening very soon, whether today or tomorrow or next week, and you'd best be ready, because sh*t is gonna be FUNNY.
Prederick wrote:

I genuinely am convinced that all of his opponents are basically banking on this to take him out of the primary. Oh, they'll yell about it and pardon him afterward, but they're all hoping this knocks him out of contention.

I’m convinced that’s why DeSantis has been handling his campaign the way he has- he doesn’t really want to directly go against Trump but also wants his name out there before support coalesces behind an alternative candidate if Trump gets too bogged down with legal issues to run.

ruhk wrote:

I’m convinced that’s why DeSantis has been handling his campaign the way he has- he doesn’t really want to directly go against Trump but also wants his name out there before support coalesces behind an alternative candidate if Trump gets too bogged down with legal issues to run.

Yeah, that last part isn't going to happen. His ego and narcissism aren't going to allow him to drop out of the race and stop fighting to retake what he believes is rightfully his, no matter the reason. He'll run his campaign from jail if he has to (and he wouldn't even be the first to do so).

Trump will never stop. He’ll be the first president operating out of cell block 5 if enough stupid people vote for him.

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