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Previous incarnations of Cleveland/P&C/D&D have had an image thread, to handle political cartoons and other image-based stuff that doesn't belong in the general post-a-picture threads.

If any of them spawn an extended discussion, please spawn it off into its own thread. Replies to non-picture replies should take the form of a link pointing to a post on a different discussion thread.

And I shouldn't have to say it, but the images still need to abide by the rules.

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No. It was probably in exchange for fat checks from the Saudi Crown Prince.

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farley3k wrote:

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Can I also murder hundreds of Egyptian first born?

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To keep up with pop culture this is now known as a Herschel Walker.

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It is just so dumb.

"He went to the store"
"Prosecute went to the store"

"His car is red"
"Fauci car is red"

Sick burn! You don't know how pronouns work! Dam that has to hurt Fauci..

He's just a lone billionaire valiantly trying to save all of civilization from the tyranny of the woke mob.

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He alone can fix it.
Good grief man, the ego!

Burn it all to the ground. Then throw the ashes into the sun just to be sure.

Instead of complaining about Musk and/or retweeting people complaining about Musk on Twitter, people need to delete their account and never use it again.

OG_slinger wrote:

He's just a lone billionaire valiantly trying to save all of civilization from the tyranny of the woke mob.

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Prederick posted a great piece awhile back explaining Musk (and Dorsey) through the lens of their belief in "longtermism". Essentially, they think that the Most Important ThingTM for the future of humanity is is getting us into space and then maximizing our spread throughout the galaxy. That's the longterm goal though, the short term goal is to have "wiser minds" like his take control of society and control it, because things like democracy and "wokism" will only delay our advance into space, taking resources that could be used to get us into space and wasting them on things like improving living conditions on Earth.

It’s called “effective altruism” and is sort of a fad among tech billionaires for the last several years. It essentially assuages any guilt over their own greed by recontextualizing problems we face today as being relatively minor in the long run, and that wealthy people should ignore the repercussions of their inaction towards modern issues like climate change and inequality and accumulate as much wealth as possible in order to address hypothetical future issues like rogue AI and intergalactic space travel. The FTX crypto guy was a big believer and Musk himself has talked about it on several occasions.

EvilHomer3k wrote:

Instead of complaining about Musk and/or retweeting people complaining about Musk on Twitter, people need to delete their account and never use it again.

I really need to sit my ass down, make a list of the people I really want to follow, and then find them on Mastadon and Hive and then delete my account. I've just been too damn busy lately

EvilHomer3k wrote:

Instead of complaining about Musk and/or retweeting people complaining about Musk on Twitter, people need to delete their account and never use it again.

Meh. It still provides a tremendous amount of value to myself and others and there really isn't any viable replacement for what it does yet.

I just make sure I'm always using an ad blocker or actively block any account that I see an advertisement from that way I'm either an extra cost to Twitter or I'm screwing up some company's ad campaign metrics.

It falls under the umbrella of effective altruism, and certainly grew out of it, but i think it's different enough to be its own thing. While effective altruism is just the idea that you should figure out how to maximize the amount good you can do and then do it, longtermism advocates for a very specific (and dangerous) answer to that equation.

Stengah wrote:

It falls under the umbrella of effective altruism, and certainly grew out of it, but i think it's different enough to be its own thing. While effective altruism is just the idea that you should figure out how to maximize the amount good you can do and then do it, longtermism advocates for a very specific (and dangerous) answer to that equation.

I have only ever heard effective altruism discussed in long-term contexts like “we shouldn’t address climate change because we can invest that money and effort into settling other planets and not being dependent upon only one.”

Your honor my client may have committed horrid actions but in the history of the universe it is so far beyond irrelevant that your only option is a not guilty verdict.

ruhk wrote:
Stengah wrote:

It falls under the umbrella of effective altruism, and certainly grew out of it, but i think it's different enough to be its own thing. While effective altruism is just the idea that you should figure out how to maximize the amount good you can do and then do it, longtermism advocates for a very specific (and dangerous) answer to that equation.

I have only ever heard effective altruism discussed in long-term contexts like “we shouldn’t address climate change because we can invest that money and effort into settling other planets and not being dependent upon only one.”

It's fairly new as a label, so there are a lot of people practicing effective altruism without describing their work that way. The Bill & Melinda Gates foundation is the biggest example that comes to mind. That said, because of the techbro adoption of the philosophy, it is full of thinly disguised conmen using it to do exactly what you've experienced, so I won't be surprised if it ends up permanently associated with them and their particular version of it. One of the articles about Sam Bankman-Fried from before FTX crashed had him extolling its virtues and talking about how much he'd given to "effective altruism approved" charities, except most of them were just organizations dedicated to advocating for their brand of effective altruism rather than actually doing any actual charity work.

Longtermism is very much a subset of the concept of effective altruism.

As cultural movements though, the Venn diagram is a circle.

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ruhk wrote:

long-term contexts like “we shouldn’t address climate change because we can invest that money and effort into settling other planets and not being dependent upon only one.”

I'm an inveterate futurist dreamer, but I have so much contempt for this argument. It can be demolished in one sentence: making another planet hospitable is a strictly harder problem than preserving the hospitability of a hospitable planet.

It's not even the politics, it's the intellectual dishonesty that offends me. Focusing on space at the expense of climate change is the intellectual equivalent of letting your wife and child starve so you can spend money going to clubs, on the premise that you might someday meet a woman there to have a child with.

fenomas wrote:
ruhk wrote:

long-term contexts like “we shouldn’t address climate change because we can invest that money and effort into settling other planets and not being dependent upon only one.”

I'm an inveterate futurist dreamer, but I have so much contempt for this argument. It can be demolished in one sentence: making another planet hospitable is a strictly harder problem than preserving the hospitability of a hospitable planet.

It's not even the politics, it's the intellectual dishonesty that offends me. Focusing on space at the expense of climate change is the intellectual equivalent of letting your wife and child starve so you can spend money going to clubs, on the premise that you might someday meet a woman there to have a child with.

Nevermind the inherent problem in longtermism is the unpredictability of the future. Think back to what you thought 2021 would look like in 2018 - how'd that turn out for you? Now multiply that problem by however many orders of magnitude longer your longterm is.

It is therefore unsurprising that longtermism is alive in people like Elon and Bankman-Fried: demonstrably inept people whose most notable features are their hubris and grandiosity.

Longtermism and effective altruism both sound very much like the scam of the prosperity gospel. These people need to get rich to ensure humanity is saved.

And while that sounds like a very surface-level comparison, I think it stands up to scrutiny even upon deeper examination. When Creflo needs his private jet to go around the world and save people, etc.

NSMike wrote:

Longtermism and effective altruism both sound very much like the scam of the prosperity gospel.

Precisely! Been thinking that since

Stengah wrote:

they think that the Most Important Thing™ for the future of humanity is is getting us into space right with Jesus... the short term goal is to have "wiser minds" like his Godly men take control of society and control it, because things like democracy and "wokism" will only delay our advance into space Heaven

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Yet another reason why I wish more countries would imitate 2020s Germany instead of 1920s Germany.

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