NFL 2022: The Week 12 thread

Speaking of someone who lacks evidence, logic and common sense, the former Panthers HC has been flapping his lips about his former job and wow:

M*tt Rh*le when asked what he would do differently in his time in Carolina opens by saying he probably would’ve taken a different job (which was paraphrased here as "Former #Panthers HC ... says in hindsight he probably should have taken another NFL gig because a 4-year plan became a 2 year and five games plan in Carolina." More here from PFT.

He also gave Rich Eisen another dose of revisionist history: “I wasn’t the GM. I didn’t make the picks.”

Technically true, but it hand-waves away the fact that he brought in all the sorry-ass QBs.

GAH. Good riddance.

Pink Stripes-hausered!

PFT is correct, there are no "four year plans" in the NFL.

Now, to defend him a little bit, Carolina threw a 7-year deal his way. So when he talks about coming in under the impression of doing an extended rebuild, I get where he would have gotten that idea. Ownership probably claimed as much in their efforts to woo him to the team.

But in the end, that's a naivety that comes from not knowing the NFL game. The number of owners who will actually sit through a true extended rebuild can probably be counted on one hand, and David Tepper isn't one of them.

*Legion* wrote:

DeShone Kizer, who was the backup QB in Green Bay in 2018, reveals that Qaaron's nutjobbery goes back at least that far:

“The first thing that comes out of Aaron Rodgers’s mouth was, ‘You believe in 9/11?’” Kizer said. “‘What? Do I believe in 9/11? Yeah, why wouldn’t I?’”

Rodgers told Kizer that he should “read up on that.”

Apparently, Rodgers got through to Kizer, not only about the conspiracy theory that 9/11 was an inside job but also other batsh*t-crazy concepts that plenty of people apparently believe in, contrary to all evidence, logic, and common sense.

“Inner Earth, moon landing, reptile people,” Kizer said. “Y’all are laughing. Go do your research, I’m telling you. Go do your research.”

Man, I hope we hear from some other former Packers backup QBs. Anyone seen Matt Flynn or Scott Tolzien lately?

I wonder if Jordan Love gets this, or if he's been frozen out because he was drafted to replace Qaaron and obviously is one of the reptile people.

It must be that California sun and fresh air.

Still holding out hope there's some scenario even with the dire cap implications they trade Rodgers this off season.

I heard Texas is where all the really special advanced thinkers are heading these days. Come on Texans, make it happen.

*Legion* wrote:

DeShone Kizer, who was the backup QB in Green Bay in 2018, reveals that Qaaron's nutjobbery goes back at least that far:

“The first thing that comes out of Aaron Rodgers’s mouth was, ‘You believe in 9/11?’” Kizer said. “‘What? Do I believe in 9/11? Yeah, why wouldn’t I?’”

Rodgers told Kizer that he should “read up on that.”

Apparently, Rodgers got through to Kizer, not only about the conspiracy theory that 9/11 was an inside job but also other batsh*t-crazy concepts that plenty of people apparently believe in, contrary to all evidence, logic, and common sense.

“Inner Earth, moon landing, reptile people,” Kizer said. “Y’all are laughing. Go do your research, I’m telling you. Go do your research.”

Man, I hope we hear from some other former Packers backup QBs. Anyone seen Matt Flynn or Scott Tolzien lately?

I wonder if Jordan Love gets this, or if he's been frozen out because he was drafted to replace Qaaron and obviously is one of the reptile people.

I'm surprised it's taken so long for people to realize that most athletes are incredibly stupid people.

jowner wrote:

Still holding out hope there's some scenario even with the dire cap implications they trade Rodgers this off season.

I heard Texas is where all the really special advanced thinkers are heading these days. Come on Texans, make it happen.

Trading him prior to June 1st would create $99.75m of dead cap space in 2023. Let's go ahead and round that up to an even $100m. $67m of that would be "new" cap charges. With the 2023 cap projected at $225m, Green Bay's only got about $4m of free cap space currently to their name. They will no doubt make some moves, but they're not fitting $100m of dead money on a $225m cap.

That leaves a trade after June 1st. That would break the dead money up into about $30m in 2023 (representing a +$1m change in cap space in 2023, as he's got a $31m cap figure on the books now), and the other roughly $70m in 2024. Given that he's currently slated to have a $40m cap hit in 2024, that means a -$30m change in 2024 cap space. That's still rough, but no longer completely out of the realm of possibility.

Spoiler:

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There's a good chance this contract ends up on the list of worst NFL contracts of all time.

*Legion* wrote:

Now, to defend him a little bit ...

Please don't. The 7-year deal came straight from Tepper (also a doofus) to pre-empt whatever the Giants might have given him. I'm not sure why he thought the former HC could (or should) keep his job if each season was worse than the last.

If he goes 11-27 at Corncob U, he'll be out on his ass again. Last two Nebraska coaches didn't get 40 games. He won't either.

Rank these NFL head coaches:
Matt Rhule
Greg Schiano
Gus Bradley
Hue Jackson
Jim Tomsula

(I originally put Urban Meyer in for the Jags coach, but that was too much of a freebie)

*Legion* wrote:
jowner wrote:

Still holding out hope there's some scenario even with the dire cap implications they trade Rodgers this off season.

I heard Texas is where all the really special advanced thinkers are heading these days. Come on Texans, make it happen.

Trading him prior to June 1st would create $99.75m of dead cap space in 2023. Let's go ahead and round that up to an even $100m. $67m of that would be "new" cap charges. With the 2023 cap projected at $225m, Green Bay's only got about $4m of free cap space currently to their name. They will no doubt make some moves, but they're not fitting $100m of dead money on a $225m cap.

That leaves a trade after June 1st. That would break the dead money up into about $30m in 2023 (representing a +$1m change in cap space in 2023, as he's got a $31m cap figure on the books now), and the other roughly $70m in 2024. Given that he's currently slated to have a $40m cap hit in 2024, that means a -$30m change in 2024 cap space. That's still rough, but no longer completely out of the realm of possibility.

Spoiler:

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There's a good chance this contract ends up on the list of worst NFL contracts of all time.

Is Aaron Rodgers a valuable trade piece?

Is a great breakdown where it actually could make sense for the team getting him. No trade blockers is a positive, poison pill where Rodgers plays for 1 year then retires is a big gamble.

Thing is I'm less worried about teams rating him or properly analyzing the risk. We already have proof that teams are really dumb.

Biggest factor is Rodgers obviously. He can just imply nah I'd just retire to any situation he's not interested in. I'm sure his mood is real stable and consistent also.

Interesting. First I wondered why their numbers seem to disagree with both OverTheCap and Spotrac, but there’s an option involved, and the tables on those sites assume the option is exercised.

So if they trade him prior to exercising the option, they can significantly reduce the cap hit, but they have to find a team willing to take Rodgers and deal with the option on their end.

Pink Stripes wrote:

He would have won the NFC south "for years to come" with just some FA signings this next offseason.

*looks at the current NFC South teams*

Ain't saying much.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
Pink Stripes wrote:

He would have won the NFC south "for years to come" with just some FA signings this next offseason.

*looks at the current NFC South teams*

Ain't saying much.

Dude has less self-awareness than Robby/ie Anderson, who just recorded his second catch as a Cardinal on Sunday. That's saying a lot.

Enix wrote:

Dude has less self-awareness than Robby/ie Anderson, who just recorded his second catch as a Cardinal on Sunday. That's saying a lot.

Eyyyyyy good job Robb(y|ie)!

And it went for 17 yards too, bringing his Cardinals career yardage total to 13.

Jags safety Andrew Wingard's post-game comments about Lawrence and Pederson (and an old coach) were gold.

I don't think I've ever heard a Jags player talk about a head coach like that.

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