NFL 2022: The Week 7 thread

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

So Enix, which college QB do you think Carolina will shoot for with that Number 1 pic?

I honestly have no idea. I've paid zero attention to CFB this year (I hear Tennessee might be good?) and couldn't name a QB besides the Alabama and Ohio State guys (and one of them is hurt and the other is short, or maybe they're both short). Panthers Twitter has been so fixated on the upcoming roster churn and coming to terms with the fact that a 1-16 season is a very real possibility that the draft isn't yet on the radar.

*Legion* wrote:
UpToIsomorphism wrote:

So Enix, which college QB do you think Carolina will shoot for with that Number 1 pic?

They won't. They'll draft Alabama edge rusher Will Anderson and sign new Super Bowl champion Jimmy Garoppolo.

Maybe? Who knows. Jimmy G is a Niner for Life, however.

The only consolation I take away from this entire episode is that every time Carolina has had a foundational draft pick (No 2 overall in 2002 and No 1 overall in 2011), the Panthers ended up with a legit star (Julius Peppers, Cam Newton) who took them to a Super Bowl.

The flip side is that I've got to endure a coaching search and six months of draft speculation.

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Update: Ian Rapoport tweets that the Panthers are amassing all of these draft picks so they can move up in the draft to grab a QB. Uh, unless there's a Wednesday night pre-draft pre-sale, I don't think the Panthers can move up from their first-round pick.

Shanahan says that CMC will not be a "rental" player. They intend to keep him beyond this year. Which you would hope to be the case given the compensation they spent on him. But some people noticed CMC only costs the Niners about $600k this year but goes up next year. Still, CMC only costs the Niners $12m/yr in each of 2023-2025 thanks to over $28m of bonus money staying behind as dead space on Carolina's cap. $12m is still a lot, but it's like having CMC at a "bottom of the top 10" running back contract rather than #1. And the Niners will likely renegotiate the deal to push some of that money out and bring down the annual cap hits further.

Also, CMC had a no-trade clause, so the battle between the Niners and Rams for CMC seems like it may have come down to CMC's choice, not Carolina's. Like anyone is shocked he would choose to play for the coach that idolized his father...

In other potential trade news...

Robert Saleh says trading Elijah Moore is "not an option". But he will be excused from this week's game against Denver.

The Steelers reportedly want a McCaffrey-like pick bounty in exchange for Chase Claypool. He's been tied to the Packers, but the feeling is that his price has been going up while Gutekunst has been "sitting on his hands".

OBJ's timeline to return has been pushed back to mid-December, so if the Packers or other teams have been biding their time in hopes of bringing in OBJ, the window for OBJ to make a difference for a team might end up being awfully small.

The Panthers consider DJ Moore a "foundational piece" and are unlikely to trade him. They are apparently uninterested in moving Burns or Brown either. But they "would listen" to offers for Shaq Thompson, which, if dealt, would make him the third guy traded out of Carolina after Robb(y|ie) and CMC. Damn, I wonder if anyone was smart enough two weeks ago to identify those 3 names as the guys Carolina should move...

Enix wrote:

The only consolation I take away from this entire episode is that every time Carolina has had a foundational draft pick (No 2 overall in 2002 and No 1 overall in 2011), the Panthers ended up with a legit star (Julius Peppers, Cam Newton) who took them to a Super Bowl.

Those aren't the only times the Panthers have held a top two draft pick...

Ya the Packers could probably trade for a WR, that would help.

That said would that WR also be able to moon light as a DC replacing Joe Barry. Also would he be able to convince Lafleur to kick Jenkins to guard and shuffle the OL around.

There's so much wrong with the Packers right now unless peak Megatron or Jerry Rice appeared a WR isn't fixing it.

jowner wrote:

That said would that WR also be able to moon light as a DC replacing Joe Barry.

It's so weird seeing so much ire directed at the defensive coordinator with the NFL's 5th ranked defense, 1st ranked pass defense.

But also can't ignore that they're 27th in run defense and 29th in defensive turnovers.

A tale of two extremes, which equals out to a league-average 15th rank in points against.

*Legion* wrote:
Enix wrote:

The only consolation I take away from this entire episode is that every time Carolina has had a foundational draft pick (No 2 overall in 2002 and No 1 overall in 2011), the Panthers ended up with a legit star (Julius Peppers, Cam Newton) who took them to a Super Bowl.

Those aren't the only times the Panthers have held a top two draft pick... :D

I should have clarified that as "a foundational pick in the college draft." Happy?!?

Spoiler:

Legion is the only person alive who remembers the 1995 expansion draft. It's also funny because the Jags' top pick ended up playing for the Panthers.

Enix wrote:

I should have clarified that as "a foundational pick in the college draft." Happy?!?

No, because I *am* referring to the college draft.

Carolina won the coin toss for the #1 pick of the 1995 NFL draft, while Jacksonville had to settle for the #1 pick in the expansion draft.

Carolina traded the pick to Cincinnati, moving down to #5 and taking Kerry Collins, but that doesn't change the fact that they owned the #1 pick. But thanks for passing on Tony Boselli.

The expansion draft is fun to look back on though, because of how few of the players that were taken even hung around past the 1995 season, or even made the roster for the 1995 season.

Ouch Cleveland Browns social media

https://twitter.com/oldbayseasoning/...

TheGameguru wrote:

Ouch Cleveland Browns social media

https://twitter.com/oldbayseasoning/...

LOL @ the first reply:

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*Legion* wrote:

Carolina won the coin toss for the #1 pick of the 1995 NFL draft ...

Further clarification: every time the Panthers made a pick at No 1 or 2 overall.

I had completely forgotten about the 1995 draft. Had also forgotten that Bill Polian, by trading down to get his guy at No 5 (Kerry Collins), passed on Steve McNair, who went third. Woof. Would love to have a do-over there.

At least they didn’t keep the pick and use it on Ki-Jana Carter, right?

Then again, if he’s not in Cincy, maybe he doesn’t tear his knee in his first preseason game, at a time when ligament reconstruction wasn’t nearly as sophisticated as it is now. Of course, he suffered plenty of other injuries, so maybe a healthy career was never on the table.

But a big “oof” for taking that extra 2nd round pick and using it on Shawn (Not Shaun) King, the pass rusher who racked up way more suspended games (42) than sacks (8.5).

Jags did well with their first two picks in offensive linemen Boselli and Brian DeMarco, the latter who the Wikipedia draft page mistakingly labels a defensive tackle. DeMarco was a huge guard (6-7, 320 lbs) who left Jacksonville after his rookie contract to get a chance to play at tackle, signed a free agent contract with Cincinnati, but sadly had injuries finish off his career after his first year in Cincy.

I guess the moral of this post is, if you’re being drafted to the NFL in 1995, stay the f**k away from Cincinnati.

*Legion* wrote:
jowner wrote:

That said would that WR also be able to moon light as a DC replacing Joe Barry.

It's so weird seeing so much ire directed at the defensive coordinator with the NFL's 5th ranked defense, 1st ranked pass defense.

But also can't ignore that they're 27th in run defense and 29th in defensive turnovers.

A tale of two extremes, which equals out to a league-average 15th rank in points against.

From what I've been following I think the main gripes is there's no adjustments.

Not sure if it means much if your defense is one dimensional especially since your DC doesn't know how to mix it up. Which was essentially one of the big knocks on Pettine.

Example was in the Jets game still being in coverage sets vs Zack Wilson. Pretty sure there was the same criticism vs Bailey Zappe.

Edit:

Context via Acme packing company

Schematic weaknesses
The defense stayed in their 2-4-5 nickel defense and a 3-3-5 penny front defense when the Jets were up 24-10 and grinding the clock with the running game late. The defense had two defensive linemen, four linebackers, and five defensive backs on the field as the Jets gained yards of 12, 12, and 25, and got into scoring position for a field goal late in the fourth quarter. They gave up another eight-yard run on this drive in their 3-4 base personnel.

On both sides of the ball I think the big frustration people are having is the personnel choices. Shuffle the OL and play Wyatt. Even if Wyatt isn't ready he probably needs the reps to get there. Not sure how you draft Quay Walker and throw him in 100% to learn but do the opposite with Wyatt.

*Legion* wrote:

At least they didn’t keep the pick and use it on Ki-Jana Carter, right?

Then again, if he’s not in Cincy, maybe he doesn’t tear his knee in his first preseason game, at a time when ligament reconstruction wasn’t nearly as sophisticated as it is now. Of course, he suffered plenty of other injuries, so maybe a healthy career was never on the table.

But a big “oof” for taking that extra 2nd round pick and using it on Shawn (Not Shaun) King, the pass rusher who racked up way more suspended games (42) than sacks (8.5).

Jags did well with their first two picks in offensive linemen Boselli and Brian DeMarco, the latter who the Wikipedia draft page mistakingly labels a defensive tackle. DeMarco was a huge guard (6-7, 320 lbs) who left Jacksonville after his rookie contract to get a chance to play at tackle, signed a free agent contract with Cincinnati, but sadly had injuries finish off his career after his first year in Cincy.

I guess the moral of this post is, if you’re being drafted to the NFL in 1995, stay the f**k away from Cincinnati.

That's it. Give us a remastered Madden game encompassing the 90s.

Russ not playing vs Jets and Wentz going to IR.

Rat Boy wrote:

That's it. Give us a remastered Madden 2K game encompassing the 90s.

Fixed.

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jowner wrote:
Schematic weaknesses
The defense stayed in their 2-4-5 nickel defense and a 3-3-5 penny front defense when the Jets were up 24-10 and grinding the clock with the running game late. The defense had two defensive linemen, four linebackers, and five defensive backs on the field as the Jets gained yards of 12, 12, and 25, and got into scoring position for a field goal late in the fourth quarter. They gave up another eight-yard run on this drive in their 3-4 base personnel.

That's brutal. Granted, Rashan Gary was probably one of those linebackers and he's DE sized, but that's still like running 3-3 and 4-2 fronts.

Rat Boy wrote:

Dare I go on Twitter to find myself beset with Run CMC memes?

Rita Oak has it covered:

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Unlike the supposed "multiple 1sts" demand for CMC, when they say "two 1sts" for Burns, I think that's a legitimate, bare minimum to even answer the phone demand. And even then I don't think the Panthers should take it. I know Burns made statements earlier in the year suggesting he had a foot out the door, but the team should be rolling out all the stops to get him on board with being a focal point of the rebuild, and get him locked down with an extension.

I guess we aren't calling horsecollar tackles on Lamar Jackson.

Okay then.

Lol Amari Rodgers is public enemy #2 for Packers fans right after Royce Newman (guard).

On a team that needs WRs, Rodgers is only on the field for special teams and he just muffed a punt.

I'm not even sure Rich Bisaccia wants him back there or if he's being forced in the sake of trying to justify him being on the team.

I finally cut Amari loose from my dynasty team a week or two ago. Such a waste of a pick.

I guess Robb(y|ie) and CMC were the ones holding Carolina back?

*Legion* wrote:

I guess Robb(y|ie) and CMC were the ones holding Carolina back?

Yes, Matt Rhule was right after all. They were close.

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Maybe Brady's divorce is distracting him? Damn

It took Amari Cooper going to Cleveland to finally call him for OPI

PJ11 > TB12

One of those teams in Charlotte today was clearly tanking. It wasn't the home team!

Related: Carolina at 2-5 is now just a game out of first in the NFC South.