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Previous incarnations of Cleveland/P&C/D&D have had an image thread, to handle political cartoons and other image-based stuff that doesn't belong in the general post-a-picture threads.

If any of them spawn an extended discussion, please spawn it off into its own thread. Replies to non-picture replies should take the form of a link pointing to a post on a different discussion thread.

And I shouldn't have to say it, but the images still need to abide by the rules.

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Ah yes, the atheist equivalent of "atheists have no morality." Never gets old, that one.

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The frontrunning candidates for Boris Johnson's replacement

Eric Idle would make a fantastic PM!

Lord Buckethead or gtfo

Didn't we already have a world war about this?

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CaptainCrowbar wrote:

Didn't we already have a world war about this?

Your question seems to indicate that you believe the war ended...

SCOTUS ruled that Maine can send kids with vouchers to christo-fascist private schools with public dollars, and twisted themselves into knots to say that not allowing any overtly religious schools was specifically discriminating against conservative Christian schools. Burn it all down.

Separate but equal...

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Mixolyde wrote:

SCOTUS ruled that Maine can send kids with vouchers to christo-fascist private schools with public dollars, and twisted themselves into knots to say that not allowing any overtly religious schools was specifically discriminating against conservative Christian schools. Burn it all down.

It's worse than the first half of your sentence. As hinted at in the second half of the sentence, they ruled that because Maine uses vouchers to pay to send kids from rural districts that don't have a school (or a school for that student's grade level) to other schools (both private schools and to "tuition" them into public schools near by), the state *must* pay to send them to extremist religious "schools" that engage in discrimination in both hiring and admissions. To be clear here, the state did not want to pay to religiously indoctrinate kids, but the supreme court ruled that it must.

My state has done plenty of silly and/or stupid things, but in this case they did the clearly right thing by instituting that policy, fighting to keep it all the way to the Supreme Court, and following the ruling up with prompt rulemaking to ensure proper oversight of and demand quality education from any school participating in the voucher system. They did such a good job with that follow up that it is my understanding that both schools that were involved in the case have announced that they will not be participating in the voucher system.

There will undoubtedly be further litigation on this, but I feel like the supreme court will have a harder time justifying saying that the state can't require that anyone seeking a state contract to educate kids can't discriminate in their admissions (though no doubt they will try).

Even if you accept the Supreme Court's logic in this case (which I clearly don't), it seems obvious that the state should be able to demand
a) no discrimination (race, ethnicity, religion, sex, gender, sexuality, etc.) In admissions (student, parents, siblings, etc.)
2) no discrimination in hiring (I don't think this will fly, but it should. The state has a legitimate interest in exposing students to diverse adults.)
D) no student may be required to attend or participate in any religious instruction, worship service, sermon, etc.
VI) no state money may be used for any religious purpose
¶) to facilitate VI, any school participating must make their financial information available including (but not necessarily limited to) non profit schools filing and making publicly available their form 990 (even if they would not otherwise be required to file one), and for profit schools making the equivalent information available.
©) Students must be provided high quality education including in subjects like history and science. Part of high quality education is obviously both teaching the truth about things like the age of the earth, and the fact of evolution, but also *not* teaching lies about them; you can't teach in science class that 'scientists say the earth is billions of years old' {wink}, and then move on to an English class or even religion class and present a 6000 year old earth as a fact.

If you are presenting yourself as a school, you are responsible for what you teach. We can't rely on children to differentiate between scientific facts presented in one highschool class and contradictory 'facts' presented by a different teacher in the next classroom over, much less expect first graders to differentiate between when they are talking to their teacher in the teacher's role as science teacher and when they are talking to that same teacher in the same classroom as a religious instructor. That would be confusing enough if their were only clearly delineate subject lessons to deal with ('now we are going to start our science lesson, so spelling no longer counts'), but in reality *especially in lower grades* subjects run together in all kinds of ways. A student working on a creative writing assignment might ask 'did dinosaurs have feathers?' and follow it up with 'what about the ones Jesus rode?'. If the state is paying you to take care of that kid, have authority over that kid, and educate them, you have to tell them the truth; yes dinosaurs had feathers (or 'I don't know, let's look it up' or 'you are supposed to be writing about your summer vacation we can talk about dinosaurs later' etc.) and while some people believe there were dinosaurs at the time of Jesus, non-avian dinosaurs were extinct long before that time period so while we don't really know anything about who Jesus was or what he did for sure, we do know that he never rode a dinosaur unless it was an Ostrich.

This supreme court will absolutely strike down any of those reasonable rules if they in any way offend the delicate sensibilities of a snowflake conservative Christian and won't lose any sleep over it.

They just said that not giving money to a Christian school is discrimination. They're pre-textual ideologues who do not care about the law.

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I see the apathy campaign to discourage voting is ramping up for November.

LeapingGnome wrote:

I see the apathy campaign to discourage voting is ramping up for November.

My bad. I forgot that if you’re do don’t lie and pretend to be enthusiastic for the special brand of terrible leadership Democrats demonstrate on the issues then you’re a part of the problem.

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LeapingGnome wrote:

I see the apathy campaign to discourage voting is ramping up for November.

Hey now, don't be so harsh on the Democractic Party Platform.

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DSGamer wrote:
LeapingGnome wrote:

I see the apathy campaign to discourage voting is ramping up for November.

My bad. I forgot that if you’re do don’t lie and pretend to be enthusiastic for the special brand of terrible leadership Democrats demonstrate on the issues then you’re a part of the problem.

It has been pretty thoroughly discussed but it isn't about bad leadership from Ds but how the system works when you only have 48 votes (reliably) on issues. So while I am no great fan of Ds leadership I don't see how they could do anything else.

At this point I'm pretty sure the biggest problem with the Democrats is they aren't visibly angry enough. If you're going to be hamstrung by 48 votes, I want to see that you're just as upset about that as I am. I don't want to see you shrug your shoulders and give up.

Vargen wrote:

At this point I'm pretty sure the biggest problem with the Democrats is they aren't visibly angry enough. If you're going to be hamstrung by 48 votes, I want to see that you're just as upset about that as I am. I don't want to see you shrug your shoulders and give up.

That I am 100% in agreement with. They should be blasting this from the rooftops, make the the talking point at the start of every interview, news piece, etc.

They are terrible, just terrible at media management.

On a lighter note

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farley3k wrote:
Vargen wrote:

At this point I'm pretty sure the biggest problem with the Democrats is they aren't visibly angry enough. If you're going to be hamstrung by 48 votes, I want to see that you're just as upset about that as I am. I don't want to see you shrug your shoulders and give up.

That I am 100% in agreement with. They should be blasting this from the rooftops, make the the talking point at the start of every interview, news piece, etc.

They are terrible, just terrible at media management.

Agreed 100% and I have been saying for years the Republicans are so much better at marketing and propaganda than the Democrats.

My point was if the goal is to get the Republicans and fascists out of power, then we should be encouraging as many people to vote as possible. The more people that vote, the more likely it is Democrats win and we can stop some of the craziness. Posting stuff that encourages apathy, not voting, or "both sides" is just helping Republicans win. I have a lot of problems with the Democrats too, but they for sure are by far the lesser of the two evils.

Monty Python's pure genius applied to the modern day

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They openly say that America was founded at an explicitly Christian country and that our laws and government flow directly from god and the bible. They haven't bother hiding that sh*t for years.

No but I'd love to see some of these rulings bite them in the ass. That's why I love the Temple of Satan so much.