Marvel Media (Spoiler Thread)

Dominic Knight wrote:
Baron Of Hell wrote:

The biggest negative I seen on Strange was that for a movie called multiverse of madness they didn't hit on the multiverse very hard. I can see their point but didn't mind that nor would have thought about it if someone else didn't bring it up. I thought have different Stranges and different versions of characters was enough.

If anyone wants to see a true multiverse of madness movie watch Everything Everywhere all at Once which I think might be my best movie of the year so far. The hit on a bunch of different universes, have different versions of people, and stuff that it is bat S insane that makes a weird sense. Also Short Round is in it and does a very good job. To bad he wasn't given a chance to do more acting.

I agree with all of this - especially that more people should see Everything Everywhere All at Once. Hands down my favorite movie of the year. Also, what a great Love Letter to Michelle Yeoh and that she should do WAY MORE movies.

But back to Strange 2. I also think Chavez is too young. So I wonder if they're aging her down so they can have her feel more normal with the Young Avengers (assuming they do a movie or D+ series), and then have it led by Kate Bishop. Obviously, that's a lot of speculation, but I don't recall Chavez feeling this young in the comics.

Chavez is like Cyborg on DC, sometimes she is kid and sometimes she is a adult just like Cyborg is sometimes a teen titan and sometimes a member of the Justice League as a adult. A couple of years ago she was in a animated movie as member of the young avenger but I believe she is currently a adult in the comics.

Doctor Strange 2:

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So Reed Richards, THE SMARTEST MAN ALIVE, thinks the best way to attack the Scarlet Witch is to... stretch his hand out toward her.

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Quintin_Stone wrote:

Doctor Strange 2:

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So Reed Richards, THE SMARTEST MAN ALIVE, thinks the best way to attack the Scarlet Witch is to... stretch his hand out toward her.

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It apparently worked on Thanos, right?

Mantid wrote:
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It apparently worked on Thanos, right?

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Totally, except for that sword sticking out of his chest.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Doctor Strange 2:

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So Reed Richards, THE SMARTEST MAN ALIVE, thinks the best way to attack the Scarlet Witch is to... stretch his hand out toward her.

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I’ve got my own issues with he film but in all fairness he was used to dealing with a significantly weaker version of her.

(Also that’s pretty much the extent of his powers.)

Guess who's got the 90s X-Men theme stuck in his head right now.

Rat Boy wrote:

Guess who's got the 90s X-Men theme stuck in his head right now.

Everyone reading this comment?

Finally got to Dr Strange 2 as well. Definitely a Sam Rami movie, with Bruce Campbell cameo and everything.

As usual I skipped the trailer, didn't know what was coming, didn't read any spoilers. Got to have a huge geek out moment when you know who showed up as

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the final council member.

Was not expecting the way things went with certain characters. Damn. I guess there won't be a

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Wandavision season 2 eh?

And yeah the first jump to 838 was the fun multiverse scene with paint, animation, etc. But then the rest of the movie was just about 616, 838, and Sinister not-numbered universe. And then the mid-credits tag was something. But yeah, it feels like Into the Spider-Verse was more multiversal than this movie was, despite the title. Still it was pretty enjoyable as a movie. Definitely not EEAAO, which was good in a very different way.

And yes very dark, light horror elements. Probably good my wife fell asleep for a chunk of it. I did not wake her up to fuel more nightmares hah.

Separate discussion about multiverse numbers... not sure this is really a spoiler now, although I just found out while watching. But maybe? Tell me if I should block this out somebody...

MCU is 616? There's got to be a lot of people in denial on that and arguing the past couple months while I've been avoiding movie spoilers?

Really thought the comic and movie versions of main continuity would have different numbers myself. Seems like a weird choice. No one that knows even a bit of comic history is going to like that as an easter egg. So if they're serious, why?

Stele wrote:

And yes very dark, light horror elements.

Is that better than light dark horror elements?

Haha. I mean it was still PG-13. Not a traditional horror movie. Darker than Doc Ock wakeup in Spider-Man 2 though, on the Raimi scale.

But thankfully it's not something like tree rape Raimi. Wish I'd never seen that

Stele wrote:

MCU is 616? There's got to be a lot of people in denial on that and arguing the past couple months while I've been avoiding movie spoilers?

That threw me for a loop.

Quintin_Stone wrote:
Stele wrote:

MCU is 616? There's got to be a lot of people in denial on that and arguing the past couple months while I've been avoiding movie spoilers?

That threw me for a loop.

Honestly it can just be explained that that is universe 838's numbering system (why did that universe give itself a name starting in the 800s?), but it also creates a huge coincidence, not only in that it happens to be the same number we know the comic universe to be, but it also happens to be the number fake-world-jumper Mysterio gave the MCU universe in Far From Home.

Yeah that was the other bit. Far From Home said 616. But unreliable source. So yeah. Weird.

Stele wrote:

Yeah that was the other bit. Far From Home said 616. But unreliable source. So yeah. Weird.

616 was referenced quite a lot in Loki - it was definitely the 616 Loki that became the variant.

The MCU being Universe 199999 was always weird anyways.

Doctor Strange: Multiverse of Madness popped up on Disney+, so I gave it a watch.

I thought it was 'not very good'. My basic problem was a lack of consistency with The Scarlet Witch's powers. At some points, she's all-but omnipotent.

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Such as when she laid waste to the temple place, and most of its defenders in the first act.

While in others, she was incredibly weak.

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When she had to limp after Strange, Chavez and whatshername through the under-river tunnel.

I felt the same - but to a lesser extent - about Doctor Strange's powers. I never got a good feel for what he could and could not do.

To be fair, this is pretty consistent with the comic books I remember from the late 1970s and 1980s. Over time, the writers seem to dial characters' powers up and down to serve the perceived needs of the story. But it grated on me here, because it was happening so frequently.

In this respect, the film I was reminded of most was 'Electra'. The writers of that film never seemed to 'anchor' the powers of the main characters there either. Towards the end, I sort of sighed and grdugingly accepted that - in that Electra-world - anyone had the power to do pretty much anything at any time. Which made the final climactic battle very anti-climactic. ("Yeah. Of course, Electra has the ability to do that fight-winning move..."

Perhaps part of the problem is that a little too much 'power' was on display in this film particularly, and the Marvel Universe generally. We've got the power of mutants. The power of magic. The power of destiny/fate. The power of Earth science. The power of alien worlds. The power of the Gods. The power of the multiverse.

And, of course, to conclude this film...

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the power of Love. Bleurgh!

Well, the first example happened

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with 616 Wanda. And the 2nd example happened with 616 Wanda possessing the body of 838 Wanda.

I believe that explains some of the power level changes, and may have even been mentioned when discussing what the Darkhold could do.

Valid point about the end though. If that was going to work it should have worked halfway through the movie.

Honest Trailers | Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

Thor Love and Thunder was good. But for me, not even approaching Ragnorak in my favorites list.

I think it was maybe a problem of letting Taika Waititi have more free rein.

On the other hand, my wife seemed to really like it at least as much.

I do want an Infinity Conez T-Shirt, though.

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Thumbs up for the return of Darryl!

Captain America 4 Moves Ahead With Director Julius Onah

Marvel Studios has found the man who’ll bring Captain America back to the big screen and it’s director Julius Onah. Onah, who made The Cloverfield Paradox, has been tapped to direct the next Captain America film which will star Anthony Mackie as the hero. Malcolm Spellman, who helped Mackie’s character become Captain America on The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, wrote the script along with Dalan Musso.

Nobody is really posting about it any more, but Ms Marvel has done things and gone places I would never in a million years have expected Disney to go.

I know - ultimately - it's just another superhero origin story, but for portraying the Islamic faith and culture in such a positive light, it deserves so much praise.

Thor 4 was good. Not as strong as Ragnarok but entertaining. It did cosmic sh*t way better than Eternals.

I don't think I've ever seen a movie that swerves as sharply between "This is cute" and "This is f*cking odious" as 4or. Nor have I ever seen an anything that

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leans harder into making its 10000% correct antagonist seem bad because they endanger children, so that's why they're bad. At least DeVito Penguin had some logic behind it.

SpacePProtean wrote:

I don't think I've ever seen a movie that swerves as sharply between "This is cute" and "This is f*cking odious" as 4or. Nor have I ever seen an anything that

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leans harder into making its 10000% correct antagonist seem bad because they endanger children, so that's why they're bad. At least DeVito Penguin had some logic behind it.

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That's the villian's whole origin arc though? He turned bad because the gods didn't care that his daughter died as a sacrifice. He even explains it again when he's talking to the children. It's not that big of a leap.

Felt a bit like Drag Me To Everything, Everywhere, All At Once.

I generally enjoy Marvel films a lot. Cheesy and light viewing, hard to criticize too hard because they aren't meant to be taken too seriously to begin with. But Thor: Love and Thunder felt downright bad. I often felt like the director was trying too hard to recreate the magic of Thor: Ragnarock, and it came across overly silly and at odds with the big evil scary bad guy. It almost felt like a romcom with a "end of the world" arc, only the villain wasn't necessarily in the wrong. An absolute mess with jokes that fell so flat I groaned (screaming goats were funny once, but not 10 times).

I'm perhaps a little bitter because Jason Aaron's Thor is one of my favourite moments in comics. I loved the God Butcher arc in the comics, Gorr was genuinely terrifying and seeing gods enslaved to build his god bomb was such a wacky and scary concept. In the film, Gorr's acting was absolutely brilliant, but there wasn't nearly enough screentime to develop his character or make us feel like he was truly evil. Instead, they relied on kidnapping children to make him the bad guy.

Just an absolute flop. Two entirely different movies crammed into one, and neither worked very well because of it. At this point, I'm too fatigued by the "idiot Thor" character they've built for MCU to care much more about this storyline.

Please just read Aaron's comics instead

I'm a bit baffled at the disdain, honestly. I just felt it was a fun, big-hearted movie.

The idea of a crusading zealot so hypocritical as to inflict his own tragic backstory on others seems pretty plausible to me right now.

Sorbicol wrote:

Nobody is really posting about it any more, but Ms Marvel has done things and gone places I would never in a million years have expected Disney to go.

I know - ultimately - it's just another superhero origin story, but for portraying the Islamic faith and culture in such a positive light, it deserves so much praise.

I just wanted to echo your comments. The show has several strong themes and explores many interesting ideas.

As you say, it offers a fascinating insight into Islamic faith and culture. And I'm really enjoying the history too. Certainly, in the UK, we don't get much education on Partition (though Doctor Who featured it in a story a couple of years ago). But what I'm probably enjoying most is its focus on women and the relationships between women (particularly, mothers and daughters).

I'm really looking forward to following this story through to its conclusion. And I hope we get to see Kamala Khan in the Marvel Cinematic Universe too

Maybe it was the fact that I had my son with me who was just having a blast the entire time, or maybe it was the other people also having a blast in the theatre the entire time, but I enjoyed the movie. I'm not saying that the movie didn't have its issues, but it wasn't as much of a disaster/flop for me as it was to some people. Kind of a typical summer action flick, but it just happens to be in the Marvel universe so I guess it has some expectations along with it? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯