European Politics discussion
I dont believe Boris is going anywhere, until I see multiple sources showing him being dragged out
Don't disagree. I'd argue that Nuclear is now on the table after a life long rejection of it. But I do think that huge public transport investment and a new approach to how housing is delivered has to be considered. For both climate and societal reasons.
I am still not a fan of Nuclear, at all. But yeah, it might be required.
Macron gets the W.
Damn, if those numbers hold up, it is much better than the polls. Just like it was the case last time as far as I recall.
Whew good.
Whew good.
Disaster avoided, but in 2002 Chirac got 82% against daddy Le Pen, as the shock a far right candidate could make it into the last 2 consolidated everyone around him. And he wasn't exactly a perfect candidate otherwise.
Last election, Macron still got 66% against Le Pen, now it's down to 58%. And nobody bats an eye anymore when a Putin friend, who criticizes the EU buts loves "misplacing" its money, and is just slightly better at hiding her racism than holocaust-denying daddy makes it to the final round. What's worse: the results keep getting closer, as people over here are just as tired of neo-liberal centrism - even with universal healthcare and vastly superior worker rights.
Honestly, most of the underlying issues have to be tackled at a European level. Macron is uniquely positioned to do so, but my hopes are not high. The EU has done some great work on consumer rights, data privacy and is starting to gain momentum on anti-monopolist frameworks. But the economic lens remains a very neo-liberal one, and that needs to change or someday we will have a Vichy sympathizer in the Elysée.
Last election, Macron still got 66% against Le Pen, now it's down to 58%. And nobody bats an eye anymore when a Putin friend, who criticizes the EU buts loves "misplacing" its money, and is just slightly better at hiding her racism than holocaust-denying daddy makes it to the final round. What's worse: the results keep getting closer, as people over here are just as tired of neo-liberal centrism - even with universal healthcare and vastly superior worker rights.
After Trump, Brexit etc. we certainly don’t bat an eye anymore.
Even the weakest victories is yet another planet busting bullet dodged
40-50% of the voting population being hellbend on destruction is the new normal.
For France I would love to see the left wing parties grouping up. If they could beat Le Pen in the first round things could be much more interesting.
Also, everyone should get rid of First Past The Post voting systems :/ supposedly meant to keep out the crazies, but these days it seems like it does the exact opposite.
Yeah, the difference between Mélenchon (far left candidate) and Le Pen was 1,25%, so a run-off between centrist and far-left is not that far-fetched. Europe has seen a rise of the far right for a few decades now, and the establishment reaction has been to co-opt the xenophobic language and implement far more rigid immigration rules. Which has just moved the Overton window to the right, while the far right remains as popular (I'm generalizing, I know).
I have to wonder what reaction we would see if the far left starts to become impossible to ignore.
UK is having it's local elections. Not usually a big deal apart from Sinn Féin becoming largest party in Northen Ireland, the DUP refusing to form a government with them in Stormont allowing the UK government dump the Northern Ireland protocol and potentially trigger a trade war with the EU.
So, apart from that nothing at stake.
Sinn Féin confirmed as largest party in Northern Ireland Assembly
No idea what this actually is going to mean. Axon, help?
Depends on the DUP, I think it’s likely they will refuse to serve in the executive which puts us back to the state of play after Cash for Ash.
Though the DUP have three seats less than SF, the two independents elected are former DUP members (and ministers) who stood as Independent Unionists. You would expect the DUP to pick up one of the remaining Foyle seats. So expect those two to receive a lot of pressure to rejoin. Not sure what happens in a tie?
I can’t see the DUP agreeing to form an executive as the second party. To do so surely gives the TUV a chance to do to the DUP what they did to the UUP.
TL;DR I think it means suspension of devolved government and stalemate.
Depends on the DUP
the state of play after Cash for Ash.
who stood as Independent Unionists.
To do so surely gives the TUV a chance to do to the DUP what they did to the UUP.
Hello, yes, wholly ignorant American speaking, I'm going to need some definition of terms?
So the reason I didn’t talk about Alliance’s improvement is currently they don’t matter. They are officially not a Unionist or Nationalist party so can’t take part in the executive. Moderate Unionists who vote for Alliance don’t in the framework of Northern Ireland Assembly count as Unionist voters anymore. The assumption is the executive will powershare between the largest Unionist and Nationalist parties. If Alliance were to get more than any Unionist party, it would be a new level constitutional crisis.
The important thing about the Good Friday Agreement wasn’t that it sorted anything, it just took the heat out of the argument. What does it matter if you’re part of the U.K. or the Republic, you’re in the EU either way. You can have either identity and eventually an hybrid identity will form. I kind of see the Alliance electoral strength as that non-sectarian identity forming.
The main problem with that is that the Alliance politically is the platform of the U.K. Liberal Democrats which isn’t one that most people resonate with (liberal in the classic sense). It really requires a middle class professionals to come out in force, almost nothing for either the more socialist people or traditionalist people. People who would vote Labour or Conservative in Britain.
There is no left leaning party on the unionist side and there is no traditionalist party on the nationalist side. It makes the non-sectarian political identity just an affect of the privileged.
Like a college campus on a Friday night, you people have TOO MANY PARTIES.
Be like America. Have two parties that are either malevolent or totally incompetent. It's MUCH easier.
Couple of things DoveBrown, all parties in the Assembly get to nominate ministers to the cabinet. The Assembly as a whole works across parties and not the top two. Having the third largest party in the Northern Ireland Assembly isn't inconsequential. When it's all said and done First and Deputy Minister are symbolic positions for the everyday working of the Assembly even if both are needed to be filled for the Assembly to exist.
And while you personally might not like the Alliance Party, Northern Ireland is a proportional voting system and not the plurality one in the UK. Middle class professionals can cast their first preference for the Alliance without it ensuring seats for sectarian parties. I very much doubt they will have similar fortunes to the Lib Dems unless the other parties adopt their policies and I'd be happy with that.
I am just fine with Alliance Policies. My point was more that if you want to vote socially and economically conservative as nationalist there is no party to vote for. Similarly if you want to vote economically and socially liberal as a unionist there isn’t a party to vote for. The normal social economic political axis is trumped by the sectarian question. Except for Alliance which have a limited appeal, which I am sad about, both that they have limited appeal and more nonaligned parties aren’t breaking through.
I am aware that all parties nominate ministers but the first ministers are important in that you don’t get an executive without them. That veto power is the important consequence I am referring to. The DUP and Sinn Fein have the power to stop any executive. In the current arrangement Alliance will not have that veto power.
Edit: reading back my original reply, I did say Alliance wouldn’t “take part” in the executive, sorry about that I was being sloppy. I think I meant something like their consent isn’t required to form the executive.
So, Boris.
So, Boris.
The short answer to this is: no, not really. People have lost the ability to care when those in power treat the mechanisms of that power to be exploited, with not a lot that can be done about it. Boris figured this out quite a while ago now, and has been gaming it ever since. There are still a remarkable amount of MPs who believe there is acceptable standard of behaviour when you are an MP, and can’t deal with the fact that Boris doesn’t give a sh*t, and has filled his cabinet with acolytes who follow his lead.
There’s more likely to be trouble after the two upcoming by-elections in England - one in the South West where the Liberal Democrats are really quite strong, and the other one (I can’t remember where) where Labour are also quite strong. If the Lib Dems and Labour can stop being pricks and come to a collective agreement on who stands in each constituency, then I think it’s highly likely the Conservative party will Lose both seats. That might happen anyway. That’s the only thing that’ll trigger the party to go for a leadership challenge I think, otherwise we’re all sat here waiting for the next general election.
Well. Having posted that it appears the public reaction to Boris Johnson over the Jubilee celebrations - he was roundly boo’ed whenever he appeared - has registered with Tory MPs and the Conservative Party chairman has now had the required 54 letters to Trigger a Vote of No Confidence in his leadership.
I think it’s quite likely he’ll win but there is a tremendous amount of anger over his behaviour during the lockdown period, and the response to the UK cost of living crisis that seems to be getting through to Tory MPs. It’s not so much the membership and other people who just vote Tory, with a lot of MPs very worried for their jobs in a General Election. It’ll be interesting to see how it shapes out, but I suspect he’ll still be PM tomorrow rather than just a dead man walking. Depressing to be honest.
He’s done. Once you have lost enough the party to actually call an explicit no-confidence vote, you are done. I expect he might win tonight’s vote but unless it’s small enough that it leads to an actual purge (and it’s not super clear if there even is a core group of plotters that could be), there is a core of MPs who want him gone.
The more interesting question for me is how much more damage to the Conservative party on the way out? Early general election?
Ah, Nadine Dorries, The gift that keeps on giving.
In an attempt to discredit Jeremy Hunt (a man who lives up to his spoonerism admittedly) she’s freely admitted, on Twitter, that the Conservative’s pandemic preparation was abysmal, and she watered down Hunt’s proposals ensuring the UK had one of the worst fatality rates in Western Europe.
Stupid cow.
Not stupid, just evil. Same as when republicans in the US intentionally made the pandemic worse and killed people in hopes of hurting the democrats.
Well, He Won but 40% of Tory MPs voted against him (221 for, 148 against)
I may have been mistaken. He really is a Dead Man Walking now.
Unsuprising, but welcome news. Tragic that the far right got 90 seats, though.
I don't see the left working with the far right, though. Not a snowball's chance in hell.
Unsuprising, but welcome news. Tragic that the far right got 90 seats, though.
I don't see the left working with the far right, though. Not a snowball's chance in hell.
Do you see a future where Macron gets his right-wing policies approved through collaborating with RN and inverse for left-wing policies? Leaving room for amending his proposals through mutual compromise?
It is nice to see the left gaining some power (and depressing to see the same for the right-wing), but I sure hope the result isnt that Macron goes full cooperation with the right-wing.
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