NFL 2021: The Super Bowl thread

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Stele wrote:

Well sh*t. Niners would have won.

I can say the same for Jared Goff in LIII if Cooper Kupp played that game

Cooper, imma let you finish, but Aaron Donald jut threw down the greatest super bowl performance of all time.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

What, two pages of posts on the game, and at least half of those were about commercials and halftime show? Says something about how uninteresting the game was. Next day, and already can't remember much about it.

In a just world, we would have had a Niners v Bills Super Bowl, which, regardless of winner, would have been anything but uninteresting.

I will miss watching Whitworth at LT for the Rams, assuming he retires. Somehow still playing pretty well for an old man and I love he knows when to give maximum effort and when to take a rest.

As an ex-LT, he is an inspiration for all of us who tried to know when to give maximum effort and (more importantly) when to take a play off.

Good thing they have the draft capital to rebuild... wait, what do you mean trades?

TheGameguru wrote:

The Rams won the SB.. does that mean that GM's over-value their picks and trading for players to win a SB makes sense on occasion? Do you waste the prime of your core players by only building through the draft? Curious if other teams look at this as a way to maximize their window of opportunity.

I hope not. They got incredibly lucky. Which isn't to take away from their accomplishment and luck is part of any win. But banking on luck is not sustainable. They were a bottom-5 team in Man Games lost to injury (Robert Woods being the only player of consequence to go down). That said they did have 3 of the top 4 players in non-QB PFF WAR so they boomed on the Stars and Scrubs approach. And they now play in a truly terrible NFC.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Good thing they have the draft capital to rebuild... wait, what do you mean trades?

staygold wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

The Rams won the SB.. does that mean that GM's over-value their picks and trading for players to win a SB makes sense on occasion? Do you waste the prime of your core players by only building through the draft? Curious if other teams look at this as a way to maximize their window of opportunity.

I hope not. They got incredibly lucky. Which isn't to take away from their accomplishment and luck is part of any win. But banking on luck is not sustainable. They were a bottom-5 team in Man Games lost to injury (Robert Woods being the only player of consequence to go down). That said they did have 3 of the top 4 players in non-QB PFF WAR so they boomed on the Stars and Scrubs approach. And they now play in a truly terrible NFC.

I guess thats my point.. who cares about rebuilding? or Draft Capital.. given the one huge outlier (The Patriots) what team has exactly won multiple SB's in the last 22 years that you can consider relied upon some great stretch of talent/draft/free agents

Pittsburgh and NY Giants.. thats it.. in 22 years... The Bucs and Ram's are almost both 20 years apart in their wins.. its hard to exactly pin some sort of continuity between those stretches.

Meanwhile so many other teams have not even had a single win or got a win and never got back.. its really hard to win a SB.. it takes luck and talent.. why not go all out when you feel like you have enough super stars that won't be around forever... who cares if you then suck for a decade.

Chances are the Ram's don't repeat.. probably don't even get back to the playoffs.. but are they any worse off than the other 31 teams that didnt win?

We done talking about a forgettable Super Bowl? I am. So I created the 2022 preseason / pre-draft thread.

staygold wrote:

But banking on luck is not sustainable.

Just ask the Colts.

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TheGameguru wrote:
UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Good thing they have the draft capital to rebuild... wait, what do you mean trades?

staygold wrote:
TheGameguru wrote:

The Rams won the SB.. does that mean that GM's over-value their picks and trading for players to win a SB makes sense on occasion? Do you waste the prime of your core players by only building through the draft? Curious if other teams look at this as a way to maximize their window of opportunity.

I hope not. They got incredibly lucky. Which isn't to take away from their accomplishment and luck is part of any win. But banking on luck is not sustainable. They were a bottom-5 team in Man Games lost to injury (Robert Woods being the only player of consequence to go down). That said they did have 3 of the top 4 players in non-QB PFF WAR so they boomed on the Stars and Scrubs approach. And they now play in a truly terrible NFC.

I guess thats my point.. who cares about rebuilding? or Draft Capital.. given the one huge outlier (The Patriots) what team has exactly won multiple SB's in the last 22 years that you can consider relied upon some great stretch of talent/draft/free agents

Pittsburgh and NY Giants.. thats it.. in 22 years... The Bucs and Ram's are almost both 20 years apart in their wins.. its hard to exactly pin some sort of continuity between those stretches.

Meanwhile so many other teams have not even had a single win or got a win and never got back.. its really hard to win a SB.. it takes luck and talent.. why not go all out when you feel like you have enough super stars that won't be around forever... who cares if you then suck for a decade.

Chances are the Ram's don't repeat.. probably don't even get back to the playoffs.. but are they any worse off than the other 31 teams that didnt win?

I don't think it is necessarily an all or nothing proposition. It is certainly important to build in the draft AND to acquire key pieces in free agency in order to build the team you can win with inside your window. And to be clear, I think the Rams utilized drafted players as well despite the fact that their team resides pretty heavily on the free agent or trade side of the spectrum than on build through the draft.

As others have mentioned, this was clearly a gamble and it looks like genius now because it paid off. That said, the shooting your shot and watching the team burn after the Super Bowl looks great now, but we all would be singing a different tune had Brady played just a tiny bit better in his career final game. In a game of inches, so much comes down to straight dumb luck and it is up to you to decide whether you think mortgaging your team into a four year rebuild is worth it. It almost worked for the Jags until it didn't.

Personally, I would rather have making the playoffs every year be an expectation of my team and missing them be a sign of something historically wrong (e.g.: Ravens' injury luck) than to have to endure strings of such awful play that I have to wonder if the head office is trying to tank.

I'm with Paleo.

I'd rather be BAL, PIT, SEA, GB and have consistent high performance over the long haul than win/bust.

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