NFL 2021: The Week 17 thread

@bykevinclark wrote:

Since Joe Judge’s job was declared safe he’s lost every game by at least two TDs, implied Belichick was on the hot seat during a Super Bowl winning season, told a Marine Todd story about players wishing they played for the Giants and made up an alternate 2019 season. All-time run

Prederick wrote:
@bykevinclark wrote:

made up an alternate 2019 season.

There might be a genre tangentially related to alternate history here.

Snoop is always great. Yikes to the rest

No idea who is going to win coach of the year.

Maybe Vrabel? If the Titans are the AFC #1 seed without Henry that's pretty impressive.

LaFleur and... Zac Taylor are currently tied favorites on one book. Not sure how Taylor jumped up so high to even odds with LaFleur. Congrats to the Bengals but whatever decisions they were making at the end of that Chiefs game was not a good look.

Would be curious to see the stats on % to win on the calls they made.

jowner wrote:

No idea who is going to win coach of the year.

Urban.

Hey, the award is called Coach of the Year, not Best Coach of the Year. What coach was more 2021 than Urban?

Ben Roethlisberger has dropped back to pass 35 times and is averaging 2.9 yards per pass, which is less than Baker Mayfield, who is 4-15.

GREAT football.

Prederick wrote:

Ben Roethlisberger has dropped back to pass 35 times and is averaging 2.9 yards per pass, which is less than Baker Mayfield, who is 4-15.

GREAT football.

It is their way of protesting that there is no Thursday Night Football in the last two weeks.

Hrdina wrote:

Pink Stripes had you covered.

Speaking of this:

"They didn't ask if anyone was hurt, and they sure as hell didn't ask if anybody needed medical attention," said Andrew Collins, 26, of Brooklawn, New Jersey. "The only thing the staff said to us was to get the F off the field."

And today 12 Eagles players were placed on the Covid list which I will absolutely attribute to having stepped foot on that stadium.

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And he won that game.

I hate the Browns. Lost in Dynasty by 8 measly points thanks to Chubb being left on the bench half the game.

Prederick wrote:

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Ben told the monkey's paw that he wanted to do something extraordinary on his final home game.

garion333 wrote:

And he won that game.

I hate the Browns. Lost in Dynasty by 8 measly points thanks to Chubb being left on the bench half the game.

Sorry. I hate them more...

*Legion* wrote:
UpToIsomorphism wrote:

The problem with everyone who defends Baker Mayfield is this. He is the best QB the Browns have had in 23 years, and that still doesn't mean he is any good.

PFF calls it something like the "curse of the average QB", and "QB purgatory". When you've got a guy that's too good to just throw away, but who doesn't have enough high-end ability to be one of the difference makers.

It's why you take a chance on guys like Josh Allen and Justin Herbert even when their college tapes aren't sterling. Why you start the process of letting Jimmy G go for a guy with a brief FCS college resume. Even though the risk is that you end up with a Bortles.

Pretty much. When Mayfield was healthy the last two years he looked like someone who could be a key player on a championship team. The problem is 1) he hasn't been healthy this year, 2) even when he is healthy he is inconsistent. So could he leave and turn into Drew Brees for his new team, absolutely. Could he stay and continue to regress until Arch Manning is draft eligible, that too. But I think the Browns would have won 3-4 more games if Case Keenum would have started instead of Mayfield, and that isn't a good place to be.

And then you have the likely available quarterbacks who could be win now guys. Russel Wilson, Big Ben (ewww), Qaaron Rogers (yuck), DeShawn Watson (who I am pretty sure would make me find a new team). I would even take a flyer on two or three journeyman and see who wins the job (Teddy Bridgewater, Gardener Minshew, Marcus Mariota, etc.) and take a flyer on a QB in the third round or so.

No no no. Cleveland had their chance to draft Teddy. They paid a consultant 5 figures to tell them to draft Teddy. Then they listened to a homeless guy and drafted Johnny Football instead. Screw them. They can't touch Teddy.

Stele wrote:

No no no. Cleveland had their chance to draft Teddy. They paid a consultant 5 figures to tell them to draft Teddy. Then they listened to a homeless guy and drafted Johnny Football instead. Screw them. They can't touch Teddy.

Believe me, I remember that.

Hey, Johnny just signed with the Zappers of the Fan Controlled Football indoor football league.

He's going to be throwing to... Josh Gordon!

If the Browns keep Baker I'll be shocked. They've given the guy about everything you could ask for in terms of talent around him. Maybe a different set of WRs is what he needs to succeed, but the talent on OL, TE and backfield has been there (despite no elite TE).

The guy just isn't right. Something is off with his processing and he's missing way too many gimmee plays.

It's why the Rams dumped Goff. They'd seen enough and there wasn't enough growth. Cleveland is lucky they aren't locked into that contract and have an easy out.

garion333 wrote:

It's why the Rams dumped Goff. They'd seen enough and there wasn't enough growth. Cleveland is lucky they aren't locked into that contract and have an easy out.

Hopefully they actually make an upgrade and don't go lateral to Baker 2.0 like the Rams did with Stafford.

I'd love seeing Russel Wilson in a Browns jersey.

It'll be pretty awkward have a guy living in your stadium that isn't on the team anymore.

Yeah, building a national ad campaign around Baker Mayfield seems... premature,.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

I would even take a flyer on two or three journeyman and see who wins the job (Teddy Bridgewater, Gardener Minshew, Marcus Mariota, etc.) and take a flyer on a QB in the third round or so.

Send that 3rd to San Francisco and you can make your QB position considerably more sexy.

Just make sure not to skimp on your backup.

Jags fans are planning to dress as clowns to protest Baalke. Maybe they'll luck out and discover that he has a major phobia involving clowns.

garion333 wrote:

The guy just isn't right. Something is off with his processing

Again we knew this before Cleveland drafted him.

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staygold wrote:
garion333 wrote:

It's why the Rams dumped Goff. They'd seen enough and there wasn't enough growth. Cleveland is lucky they aren't locked into that contract and have an easy out.

Hopefully they actually make an upgrade and don't go lateral to Baker 2.0 like the Rams did with Stafford.

I'd love seeing Russel Wilson in a Browns jersey.

I'd much rather have Stafford. There's just something...off with Goff. He can be so good but I've been waiting years for him to take the next step and command a game. He doesn't. He performs within the game.

I feel like I'm talking about being clutch, but too often Goff feels like he's under pressure from life and can't quite get on top of it.

Stafford may not be an all time great, but he guts things out and has some extra fringe skills that Goff appears to lack.

That said, what the Rams gave up is still nutso.

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I’m just gonna blame the first entry on the list on Urban and SCV, and celebrate the last entry on the list.

garion333 wrote:

I'd much rather have Stafford. There's just something...off with Goff. He can be so good but I've been waiting years for him to take the next step and command a game. He doesn't. He performs within the game.

Speaking of QB purgatory, Mike Tanier argues that the Dolphins are on the verge of that with Tua, and he references the Browns situation as being what Miami’s in danger of emulating.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

I would even take a flyer on two or three journeyman and see who wins the job ...

You sure about this? It's the Carolina Way, and I do not recommend it.

Enix wrote:
UpToIsomorphism wrote:

I would even take a flyer on two or three journeyman and see who wins the job ...

You sure about this? It's the Carolina Way, and I do not recommend it.

Ya, I don't really get all the love for Teddy around these parts. He isn't good. He's a top tier backup like how New Orleans used him, not a starter.

Also, Stafford is infinitely better than Goff. Just looking at QBR since 2016 when Goff came into the league (and even removing his horrible rookie season with a 18 rating), Stafford has averaged a 63 rating and Goff a 51.

And this being the Browns, they aren't so bright so they'll likely sign Baker to a big extension and then have to try and weasel their way out of the contract like the Rams did with Goff.

ukickmydog wrote:
Enix wrote:
UpToIsomorphism wrote:

I would even take a flyer on two or three journeyman and see who wins the job ...

You sure about this? It's the Carolina Way, and I do not recommend it.

Ya, I don't really get all the love for Teddy around these parts. He isn't good. He's a top tier backup like how New Orleans used him, not a starter.

Also, Stafford is infinitely better than Goff. Just looking at QBR since 2016 when Goff came into the league (and even removing his horrible rookie season with a 18 rating), Stafford has averaged a 63 rating and Goff a 51.

And this being the Browns, they aren't so bright so they'll likely sign Baker to a big extension and then have to try and weasel their way out of the contract like the Rams did with Goff.

I feel attacked.