Help me build my PC 2020 Catch All

The 3060ti pulls slightly over 200W at peak, which is basically equal to the GTX 970's power draw. It should be perfectly fine as a drop-in replacement for a 970.

TechPowerUp recommends 550W for a 3060ti and 650W for a 3070, and that looks about right based on their power draw measurements for each. The 3070 defaults to a 270W power limit, and partner boards can push that over 300W. There's a pretty decent power consumption gap between the 3060ti and 3070.

So, yeah. For manta's existing system, a 3060ti should be fine for a drop-in upgrade, but anything higher end than that should be looking at including a beefier PSU in the upgrade.

Thanks!!

How's the rest of the stuff aging? I think it's fine, but honestly haven't really been looking in to anything but GPUs for like 2 years.

(I do have more hard drives, but the one listed is what my OS and main games are on.)

Been playing with the pc configurator at Case King.

What do you think about this? (It's definitely not cheap, but it's supposed to last years.)

Case PHANTEKS Enthoo Pro Midi-Tower, Tempered Glass - schwarz
Mainboard Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro, AMD X570-Mainboard - Sockel AM4
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3,8 GHz (Vermeer) AM4 - tray
CPU Heatsink NZXT Kraken X53 Komplett-Wasserkühlung - 240mm, schwarz
Memory G.Skill Trident Z Neo, DDR4-3600, CL16 - 32 GB Dual-Kit
Graphics Card MSI GeForce RTX 3070 Gaming Z Trio 8G LHR, 8192 MB GDDR6
Power Supply PHANTEKS Revolt Pro 80 PLUS Gold Netzteil, modular, Power Combo - 850 Watt
SSD (M.2, NVMe) Samsung 970 Evo Plus NVMe SSD, PCIe 3.0 M.2 Typ 2280 - 1 TB
Screen Configuration Gigabyte G27Q, 68,58 cm (27 Zoll), 144Hz, FreeSync, IPS - DP, 2x HDMI

Is 850W too much? Maybe scale down to 750W?

There's no "too much" with power supplies, only too little.

That's a perfectly standard Ryzen build. Not really much to comment on. You'll have fun with it.

There's no really meaningful performance reason to go X570 over B550 unless you're after some specific mobo feature that one has. X570 tends to have more USB ports and other little bonuses but if you look at the IO shield for both and don't see anything you'd miss, is a decent way to save a bit of money.

People generally kinda adore the MSI B550 Tomahawk board if they offer that one.

But that's an "if you wanna". There's absolutely nothing wrong with the build as listed. When I built my newer system I went X570 too.

And ditto Legion on the PSU. Having headroom is good, especially as the supply gets older and output drops.

Ok, thanks.
The tomahawk doesn't seem to be one of the available options, but the other b550 boards seem to have good reviews.

Edit:
Went with a closer store and a minor revision of the components, which reduced the price.
Final build (with a Gigabyte M27Q that I'll buy cheaper elsewhere).

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Again, thanks for the advice and recommendations.

Hey guys, lately I've been having some annoying slow downs on my new-ish rig (1 year old now), I blame my opera browser and my navigating habits that chew on Ram omnomnom like there's no tomorrow.
So on a whim I looked at my components and checked my RAM modules on Amazon and they were 40% off so I've just taken the plunge on an additional 16 GB kit, I couldn't let the chance go by to double my ram for 50 USD, if only GPU behaved like RAM price wise, geeze.

*Legion* wrote:

The 3060ti pulls slightly over 200W at peak, which is basically equal to the GTX 970's power draw. It should be perfectly fine as a drop-in replacement for a 970.

TechPowerUp recommends 550W for a 3060ti and 650W for a 3070, and that looks about right based on their power draw measurements for each. The 3070 defaults to a 270W power limit, and partner boards can push that over 300W. There's a pretty decent power consumption gap between the 3060ti and 3070.

So, yeah. For manta's existing system, a 3060ti should be fine for a drop-in upgrade, but anything higher end than that should be looking at including a beefier PSU in the upgrade.

Can confirm, I'm running a Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 550W since 2018 and specifically got a 3060Ti because of its lower TDP. Even though official recommendation says 650W minimum I have never had any issues.

Pc just died. Need a reality ceck since i haven't dealt with a full blown comp death in a long time.
Started it up, it was a bit slow and hung before all startup programs were finished loading. Monitors flickered multiple times too. Hit the restart button and was greeted by the mobo splashscreen and the light says there is something wrong with the cpu (couldnt get into the bios, so it was frozen there). Opened the case and nudged the cpu to make sure it wasnt a slight missed contact, restarted and greeted by splashscreen and the light for memory problem.
Reseated (and switched slots for good measure) ram and now there's nothing, no power, no lights.
So anyone think I'm wrong that the power supply died and, possibly, took some hardware with it?
If I'm right, what power supplys are good for reliability and future upgrades
Current box;
750 rosewill PS (oldest part)
Asus tuf x570 with 3700x
Evga 1070
32g ddr4 ram
4ssds, 2hds, 1 dvd drive
4 case fans

Sounds similar to what happened to me when my mobo fried due to probably a PSU death.
You might try to seat the RAM sticks individually to rule that out. Also, disconnect all the drives aside from the boot and see what happens.

I take it you hear the fans when booting?

I have a Corsair 750 that has been great so far. Isn't Rosewill the Fry's brand? As in the Fry's that is now out of business?

Rosewill is the Newegg brand.

Nothing happens when i try to power it on now, not even a single led or fan twitch. Regardlees of anything else the psu is dead. Tried switching cables so it's not that

Did you switch the RAM back? Very small chance that a stick of ram is dead and causing issues, but most likely sounds like a PSU death.

The good news is that's usually an "easy" first step. Go get a PSU from somewhere and try it out!

The bad news is that you may have lost more than just the psu... I sure hope not.

I am curious which model PSU it was. Rosewill uses a number of different manufacturers for their different lines (and I'd recommend avoiding them in general because of that).

Capstone 750,got it in 2013.
Saw me through several upgrades with some serious overclocking.
If it fried something I think I'm screwed though, juat upgraded this spring and i dunno if i can swing new parts between the current silicone market and budget.

Tycho the Mad wrote:

Capstone 750,got it in 2013.
Saw me through several upgrades with some serious overclocking.
If it fried something I think I'm screwed though, juat upgraded this spring and i dunno if i can swing new parts between the current silicone market and budget.

Johnny Guru liked it way back when.

I'd say an 8 year run is pretty good, though I'm surprised you didn't get a new psu when you updated your rig. Live and learn?

Anyway, there's a good chance nothing is fried. One just never knows until you plug in something new. Such a bummer.

Capstone 750 appears to be a white labeled Super Flower PSU. Should not be complete junk.

With proper overvolt protection, a dying PSU should not fry other components. I would try another PSU in the system before jumping to any conclusions about the state of the other components.

When i got it it was the highest rated psu i could afford. Didn't update it when i uograded because i was upgrading to a lower tdp cpu and figured it wouldn't be a problem till prices went down... Plus, i couldn't afford it and i had to replace the parts that weren't working first. I hope to goodness nothing else died with it I'll update on Monday or tuesday when i get the new psu and replug everything

NVIDIA has made some major updates in the area of image scaling.

First, they've released DLSS 2.3, which improves on the visual quality of DLSS 2.2 and below, particularly when it comes to ghosting effects.

Then, they took the "image scaling" feature that's been present in their drivers for a little while now, and upgraded it into a full-on AMD FSR competitor. Testing reveals output and performance very similar to FSR in quality.

They call it NVIDIA Image Scaling (NIS), and it is a driver-level function, so it works in any game. They also released an SDK so that developers can integrate it into their games, allowing for things like rendering the UI elements at native res, similar to how FSR (and DLSS) work. That's the one downside of the driver-level approach, it scales the entire image, without any "knowledge" of what elements are UI or not.

This has been available in the driver for some time, but they updated the algorithm, as well as added controls into GeForce Experience, so you can now interact with it in the NVIDIA overlay rather than having to drop down into the NVIDIA Control Panel. It's now a first-class feature in the NVIDIA kit.

KitGuruTech has a great, thorough comparison video, showing how NIS compares to FSR, DLSS, and native res:

Also, NVIDIA released a video that shows off DLSS 2.3, and you can see the significance of the improvements in areas where DLSS <= 2.2 produced ghosting/trails artifacts:

I think we're reaching the point where people can safely buy 4K monitors, and take advantage of being able to render scenes at ~1440p and utilize these scaling technologies to intelligently upscale to 4K output.

Looks like that goes to show FSR was a significant threat...
Competition is good

fangblackbone wrote:

Looks like that goes to show FSR was a significant threat...
Competition is good :D

For sure.

Hopefully this results in a little standardization, where games can just support a general interface for scaling, and a given GPU driver can hook that and use its scaling algorithm, so that games don't have to explicitly support FSR and NIS to still have the benefits of things like native, non-scaled UI elements.

And compound that with I believe I heard intel having its own FSR competitor incoming as well.

Yeah, Nvidia was always gonna be quick to hit back on that.

Can't wait to buy my next Nvidia GPU in...2025 or so.

Oh, one thing I forgot to say about NIS is that it's available for all NVIDIA GPUs from Maxwell (GeForce 700 series) on forward. So unlike DLSS, people that are still rocking non-RTX NVIDIA cards can make use of NIS.

*Legion* wrote:

Oh, one thing I forgot to say about NIS is that it's available for all NVIDIA GPUs from Maxwell (GeForce 700 series) on forward. So unlike DLSS, people that are still rocking non-RTX NVIDIA cards can make use of NIS.

I also noticed that DLSS in BF V requires DX12, which completely tanks performance on an old CPU like my 4690K. Since NIS supports chips back as far as Maxwell, I'm assuming it also doesn't require DX12, which could make it a huge value add for older systems.

Yes. NIS works with games using DX11 and up.

No support for Vulkan or OpenGL, sadly. That's one area AMD's FSR holds an advantage, as it supports Vulkan.

*Legion* wrote:

Oh, one thing I forgot to say about NIS is that it's available for all NVIDIA GPUs from Maxwell (GeForce 700 series) on forward. So unlike DLSS, people that are still rocking non-RTX NVIDIA cards can make use of NIS.

That true for a GTX 970M (as in mobile)?

I tried to enable it after downloading the latest drivers but I don't see the settings anywhere.

5000brians wrote:

That true for a GTX 970M (as in mobile)?

As far as I'm aware. There is a hotfix driver update whose purpose seems to be related to NIS not showing up, so you might try that.

I missed out on RTX 30's drop yesterday on Best Buy. Got in line for a couple, oh well.

But today I can get an XFX 6600 XT for $659.99!

I'm actually glad this is in stock. Midtier card for $700 can go f- itself.

garion333 wrote:

I missed out on RTX 30's drop yesterday on Best Buy. Got in line for a couple, oh well.

But today I can get an XFX 6600 XT for $659.99!

I'm actually glad this is in stock. Midtier card for $700 can go f- itself.

There've been a few times I've tried to buy a card at Best Buy right at the beginning of the stock drop (within 2-3 minutes anyway) and I've gotten nowhere each time. I don't think it is possible to buy an nvidia card at MSRP these days unless you are running some sort of botting operation. Or, maybe they're being bought internally by Best Buy insiders. I'm curious if any cards from Best Buy stock drops have made it to the general public in the last couple of months.

I'm getting pretty annoyed at Best Buy with this. How difficult would it be to create an ongoing queue and remove all duplicate emails, addresses, phone numbers, and credit card numbers from the line?

polq37 wrote:
garion333 wrote:

I missed out on RTX 30's drop yesterday on Best Buy. Got in line for a couple, oh well.

But today I can get an XFX 6600 XT for $659.99!

I'm actually glad this is in stock. Midtier card for $700 can go f- itself.

There've been a few times I've tried to buy a card at Best Buy right at the beginning of the stock drop (within 2-3 minutes anyway) and I've gotten nowhere each time. I don't think it is possible to buy an nvidia card at MSRP these days unless you are running some sort of botting operation. Or, maybe they're being bought internally by Best Buy insiders. I'm curious if any cards from Best Buy stock drops have made it to the general public in the last couple of months.

I'm getting pretty annoyed at Best Buy with this. How difficult would it be to create an ongoing queue and remove all duplicate emails, addresses, phone numbers, and credit card numbers from the line?

BB's tech, like their site and their in-store computer systems, have always been cheapy. I also don't think they care much about the end user because sh*t gets sold, they move on.

That said, I keep going to their drops because I can get local store pickup. That's about the only reason I keep trying. And folks at Era are showing they are occasionally getting through from BB, but who knows how this compares to insiders and scalpers.

Oh, and when I can get a 3060 Ti for $400, but a slightly OCed 6600 XT is 50% more then we've got pricing issues going on. That 6600 XT price is $100+ higher than last week, which is why it's still in stock.