NFL 2021: The Week 9 thread

Reportedly, the Browns are trying to negotiate down OBJ's salary on his way out.

Why, in the name of Satan's butthole, would he or his agent agree to that? Nothing good comes from him budging on that, right? If he clears waivers, he gets to go where he wants. If he doesn't, he wants to get every penny of that $8M.

Paleocon wrote:

Reportedly, the Browns are trying to negotiate down OBJ's salary on his way out.

Why, in the name of Satan's butthole, would he or his agent agree to that? Nothing good comes from him budging on that, right? If he clears waivers, he gets to go where he wants. If he doesn't, he wants to get every penny of that $8M.

I wouldn't. I'm a Browns fan and I can't imagine why he would want to.

Also, Aaron Rodgers is an asshole.

He was my favorite QB since Steve Young. But he made a decision to endanger his health and the public health. And further enabled by the Packers he endangered the health of his team and his community by passing as a vaccinated person. So f*ck him.

I hope he is suspended for the season and I hope GB loses draft pics. And I am rooting for Love to light up KC.

And I can't believe that I am starting to like Mayfield more.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

Reportedly, the Browns are trying to negotiate down OBJ's salary on his way out.

Why, in the name of Satan's butthole, would he or his agent agree to that? Nothing good comes from him budging on that, right? If he clears waivers, he gets to go where he wants. If he doesn't, he wants to get every penny of that $8M.

I wouldn't. I'm a Browns fan and I can't imagine why he would want to.

Also, Aaron Rodgers is an asshole.

He was my favorite QB since Steve Young. But he made a decision to endanger his health and the public health. And further enabled by the Packers he endangered the health of his team and his community by passing as a vaccinated person. So f*ck him.

I hope he is suspended for the season and I hope GB loses draft pics. And I am rooting for Love to light up KC.

And I can't believe that I am starting to like Mayfield more.

The guy who I am most surprised by this year is Derek Carr. During a year where the Raiders are showing the true dysfunction of that head office, Carr seems to be the only professional in the building.

He may not be the greatest QB, but he sure is f*cks is proving he is a team leader.

I see a head coaching job in his distant future.

Paleocon wrote:

Reportedly, the Browns are trying to negotiate down OBJ's salary on his way out.

Why, in the name of Satan's butthole, would he or his agent agree to that?

Cleveland's leverage is the ability to choose not to release him. OBJ gets the $8M in that scenario, but doesn't get to play football, and (assuming the Browns would then release him in the offseason) he then enters free agency next year with very little production to his name over the past two years.

OBJ could rehabilitate his value a lot with a strong final part of the season elsewhere.

*Legion* wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

Reportedly, the Browns are trying to negotiate down OBJ's salary on his way out.

Why, in the name of Satan's butthole, would he or his agent agree to that?

Cleveland's leverage is the ability to choose not to release him. OBJ gets the $8M in that scenario, but doesn't get to play football, and (assuming the Browns would then release him in the offseason) he then enters free agency next year with very little production to his name over the past two years.

OBJ could rehabilitate his value a lot with a strong final part of the season elsewhere.

Would it also help OBJ fit into the cap of a potential preferred destination?

Obviously there would still be the waiver order? So maybe he doesn't land at his #1 choice but it opens up probably a whole whack of other teams?

Edit: it's not like many teams could even fit him without clearing waivers unless his salary was lowered if I'm looking at the right cap space list.

So what teams would want OBJ and can fit him under the cap?

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

So what teams would want OBJ and can fit him under the cap?

Totally depends what the negotiated # is.

Packers marginally have more space than a bunch of playoff teams ahead of them in the waiver order.

Then again I'm sure teams could free up space if they wanted to claim him.

It's probably more to Legions point the Browns have some leverage so why not squeeze OBJ.

jowner wrote:

Would it also help OBJ fit into the cap of a potential preferred destination?

It absolutely would, but as you point out, it would open up the rest of the league as well. Pretty tough to target a landing spot with waivers.

I really don't have a good read on the endgame here. I feel like there's some piece of information I'm missing.

Waiver order:

1. DET
2. MIA
3. HOU
4. JAX
5. NYJ
6. NYG
7. WSH
8. PHI
9. SEA
10. CHI
11. ATL
12. SF
13. MIN
14. IND
15. NE

The irony would be something, wouldn't it?

I have no idea what is going to happen, but there is zero reason OBJ should make it past Jacksonville's #4 priority slot.

DJ Chark is out for the season and headed into unrestricted free agency.

Laviska Shenault hasn't broken out yet.

Marvin Jones is who he is, steady and productive but not someone that scares the opposition.

There's no good excuse to pass on the opportunity to bring in another weapon for Jaguar Jesus. And since OBJ is under contract through 2023, it's not a one-year rental move either.

The Jags have more than enough cap space to fit not only whatever his 2021 cap figure turns out to be (even if it was the full $8 mil), but his $15m 2022 and 2023 cap figures as well.

Will OBJ work out in Jacksonville? Who knows, but the Jags need to take shots at targeting weapons for Lawrence, and not just waste his rookie contract seasons.

Do I trust Baalke and Urban to pull the trigger? You knew the answer to that question before I got to the end of the sentence.

jowner wrote:
*Legion* wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

Reportedly, the Browns are trying to negotiate down OBJ's salary on his way out.

Why, in the name of Satan's butthole, would he or his agent agree to that?

Cleveland's leverage is the ability to choose not to release him. OBJ gets the $8M in that scenario, but doesn't get to play football, and (assuming the Browns would then release him in the offseason) he then enters free agency next year with very little production to his name over the past two years.

OBJ could rehabilitate his value a lot with a strong final part of the season elsewhere.

Would it also help OBJ fit into the cap of a potential preferred destination?

Obviously there would still be the waiver order? So maybe he doesn't land at his #1 choice but it opens up probably a whole whack of other teams?

Edit: it's not like many teams could even fit him without clearing waivers unless his salary was lowered if I'm looking at the right cap space list.

Lowering his cap number basically opens up an entire list of undesirable places for him to land -- all of them outside of his control as they would simply pick him up off of waivers. Should he clear waivers, he doesn't get any of that $8M, but he gets complete control over where he chooses to play. Should the Browns choose not to cut him and sit him for $8M, he still ends up an unrestricted free agent at year's end and can choose where he goes. The only scenario where he loses control is if someone picks him up off waivers and the only way that happens is if a team picks up the remainder of his contract.

The leverage the Browns have is really limited. They are effectively trying to make sure he doesn't land at a team they will have to face either in the regular season or the playoffs and they appear to be willing to pay him $4-6M in a conversion of salary to signing bonus to influence that. OBJ and his agent are pretty much just doing the math on whether or not taking the cash and calling this season a wash is worth it to put off the choice until the end of the season or if he should try to get on a contender before year's end.

I suspect he will go for the latter if for no other reason than to tell the Browns to gft.

*Legion* wrote:
jowner wrote:

Just weasel worded it then made it worse by not following protocols in interviews. I guess also at the facilities. Just a real scum bag entitled move.

It also raises the question, why has the NFL allowed this to happen? Because they knew from the start that Rodgers did not meet their criteria of vaccinated status. And so he has been very visibly violating protocols this whole time, including being unmasked on the sidelines during games.

1) Thanks for not misusing the phrase "begs the question" like the kids who need to get off my lawn.
2) I really hope they come down on the Packers for not following covid safety protocols.
3) I'm so torn between wanting Jordan Love to play his way into a starting job, and us getting to have a Bortles game.

Wait, can I have both if Love runs away with the game so much that they put Bortles in for the 4th quarter?

As far as OBJ, it sounds like OBJ might have been willing to take a pay cut in order to get cut. I guess we'll hear very soon, but that'd be a first for me.

A. A. Ron's on Pat McAffee's show right now and he's totally that guy.

Emmes wrote:

1) Thanks for not misusing the phrase "begs the question" like the kids who need to get off my lawn.

Yeah it's weird how that phrase has come into misuse so universally. I've only rarely heard it used correctly.

Wait, can I have both if Love runs away with the game so much that they put Bortles in for the 4th quarter?

IMAGE(https://i.imgur.com/5zVqllY.jpg)

Need that meme updated with Packers branding and Bortles' more current, much balder headshot.

Rat Boy wrote:

A. A. Ron's on Pat McAffee's show right now and he's totally that guy.

Aaron Rodgers claims he’s a victim of “the woke mob” and “cancel culture.”

Rodgers claims to have done his own research and that he has an allergy to an ingredient in the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, and he said that his decision to seek alternative treatments was “what was best for my body.”

Edit: HE CONSULTED WITH HIS "GOOD FRIEND" JOE ROGAN!

Is this the same guy who did this?

Aaron Rodgers Calls Out Fan Who Shouted Anti-Muslim Slur During Moment of Silence

Where is that guy?

He won't stop with the QAnon/MAGA talking points about the pandemic. He's making Brady look like a Bernie Bro by comparison.

Rat Boy wrote:

He won't stop with the QAnon/MAGA talking points about the pandemic. He's making Brady look like a Bernie Bro by comparison.

I appreciate your recaps of the nonsense, so that I don't have to take on the aggravation of listening to it myself.

I am ESPECIALLY glad now that the 49ers trade never materialized.

A. A. Ron wrote:

"I go back to these two questions for the woke mob. If the vaccine is so great, how come people are still getting Covid and spreading Covid and unfortunately dying from Covid? If the vax is safe, how come the manufacturers of the vaccine have full immunity?"

If you're the best quarterback of your generation, how come you only got one Super Bowl ring?

"If seat belts work, why do airbags exist? If airbags work, why do seat belts exist? Why do we keep adding safety features to cars if the other features work?"

Also dropped an MLK quote, which, in this situation, I've found to broadly be proof-positive that the person in question has zero clue what they're talking about.

Not since Hulk Hogan joined the n.W.o. have we seen a turn to villainy so cartoonish.

Does SNL still do animated sketches? Because I want them to make AARon, Kyrie, and Kirk Cousins the ...

Anti-Vax Avengers.

I look forward to Rodgers leaving in 2022 and landing with an org that deserves him and him falling off a cliff play wise.

I hate the Broncos so fingers crossed they still ship a bunch of capital to the Packers this offseason.

I am starting to wonder if there is a player (much less an organization) in the NFL that I, as a progressive, open-minded individual, can root for without feeling disgusting. I used to think it was A A Ron, but I guess not.

Gotta admit though, the anti-Kyrie dig ("I'm not some sort of anti-va flat earther") while spouting the exact same misinformation is just spectacular on A A Ron's part.

Rat Boy wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:

A. A. Ron's on Pat McAffee's show right now and he's totally that guy.

Aaron Rodgers claims he’s a victim of “the woke mob” and “cancel culture.”

Rodgers claims to have done his own research and that he has an allergy to an ingredient in the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines, and he said that his decision to seek alternative treatments was “what was best for my body.”

Edit: HE CONSULTED WITH HIS "GOOD FRIEND" JOE ROGAN!

I guess we know what post football career he's gunning for now that Jeopardy is off the table.

I personally will not be tuning into the Aaron Rodgers experience on XFM

Rat Boy wrote:

A. A. Ron's on Pat McAffee's show right now and he's totally that guy.

Played all the hits.

Also, do you think Jeopardy vetted anyone at all?

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

I am starting to wonder if there is a player (much less an organization) in the NFL that I, as a progressive, open-minded individual, can root for without feeling disgusting.

There was one, but the owners got rid of him.

*Legion* wrote:

"If seat belts work, why do airbags exist? If airbags work, why do seat belts exist? Why do we keep adding safety features to cars if the other features work?"

I'm still amazed that this has been the argument.

"Why do I have to wear a seatbelt if people keep dying in car accidents?"