NFL 2021: The Week 8 thread

*Legion* wrote:

Jags down 24-0 to Seattle.

Seattle Coach Voltron reminding everyone on the other sideline why they got booted outta town.

There was a point during the game where Gumbel or his color guy were talking about Geno and Baby Schotty being really close and how Schotty would talk a lot to Geno about how, "You're a starting QB in this league!"

And all I could think of was the JAX-SEA Voltron and started laughing. And then I thought, "I'm glad Schotty's not here anymore."

Wow, the Eagles had zero chill about the beatdown they put on the Lions.

Top_Shelf wrote:
*Legion* wrote:

Jags down 24-0 to Seattle.

Seattle Coach Voltron reminding everyone on the other sideline why they got booted outta town.

There was a point during the game where Gumbel or his color guy were talking about Geno and Baby Schotty being really close and how Schotty would talk a lot to Geno about how, "You're a starting QB in this league!"

And all I could think of was the JAX-SEA Voltron and started laughing. And then I thought, "I'm glad Schotty's not here anymore."

Certainly made defending against the Jags easier, eh?

Which is to say that the Titans may be done for the year.

The best I can tell, it is going to take 11 wins to take the AFC North and I don't think 10 wins will earn a WC. Looking at the way teams are playing and the rest of their schedules, I clearly can't see how the Browns find 7 wins to get to the postseason. I see them going 7-10 on the year.

That is pretty surprising given the hype we had in September.

Is it bad that I am arguing on Browns forums that we would be in a better situation if we took Josh Allen over Baker?

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Is it bad that I am arguing on Browns forums that we would be in a better situation if we took Josh Allen over Baker?

How is that even an argument at this point? At this point, the Browns have a better chance of making the playoffs with Case Keenum. He won't win you many games, but he won't lose them for you either. And the Browns defense and running attack might actually be good enough to do it on their own.

In the meantime, they really should be shopping OBJ before tomorrow afternoon.

Von Miller to the Rams for two second day pics.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Von Miller to the Rams for two second day pics.

Noooooooo. The Packers still play them.

Something I actually wanted to post about which players/teams are selling.

I read one article but it seemed pretty fluffy.

Paleocon wrote:

The best I can tell, it is going to take 11 wins to take the AFC North and I don't think 10 wins will earn a WC. Looking at the way teams are playing and the rest of their schedules, I clearly can't see how the Browns find 7 wins to get to the postseason. I see them going 7-10 on the year.

That is pretty surprising given the hype we had in September.

Feels like every off-season the last 5 to 7 years. Browns browns browns and they make the playoffs like once.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Von Miller to the Rams for two second day pics.

Such a typical Rams trade. No draft picks till 2025 now, eh?

Paleocon wrote:

Which is to say that the Titans may be done for the year.

Lol. Last night I was hoping the Titans would make the playoffs so I could rake betting against them.

Now I'm placing bets on their division odds and can't wait till the make the playoffs so I can bet on them. Tannehill is a top-10 NFL QB. They have two top-20 WRs. They're no longer anchored to sub-optimal plays running on first/second down (*cough cough* Vikings). Easiest $100 you can make next week is Tennessee +7.5 at Rams. Although wait a bit, should get to +10 or more with the Von Miller and Henry news percolates to the "sharps"

Edit: They're working out Adrian Peterson. Please disregard the above betting advice and continue hammering your wins against TEN

Rat Boy wrote:

Jameis Winston's knee possibly crab meat.

Update: torn ACL, MCL damage.

Rat Boy wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:

Jameis Winston's knee possibly crab meat.

Update: torn ACL, MCL damage.

I don't think there was much question it was an ACL minimum from the way things bent in ways they should not bend. Guessing Devin White is going to have an expensive week as it was technically a horse collar, but I guess this was an opportunity for lots of people to learn what a horse collar is; I always assumed it was grabbing inside the shoulder pad and pulling down, but White just grabbed the jersey on the outside of the arm and pulled, and is apparently just enough of a freak to be strong enough to pull someone down that way.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:
Rat Boy wrote:

Jameis Winston's knee possibly crab meat.

Update: torn ACL, MCL damage.

I don't think there was much question it was an ACL minimum from the way things bent in ways they should not bend. Guessing Devin White is going to have an expensive week as it was technically a horse collar, but I guess this was an opportunity for lots of people to learn what a horse collar is; I always assumed it was grabbing inside the shoulder pad and pulling down, but White just grabbed the jersey on the outside of the arm and pulled, and is apparently just enough of a freak to be strong enough to pull someone down that way.

My understanding is that a horse collar tackle is technically any tackle in which the grip is from the name patch or above to the neck. My Ravens got flagged for a similar jersey grab on Burrow last week.

garion333 wrote:
UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Von Miller to the Rams for two second day pics.

Such a typical Rams trade. No draft picks till 2025 now, eh?

And no cap space. Trying to buy a championship right here and now.

Henry still hasn't had MRI according to that article. So still awaiting his season fate.

Edit: from Ian Rappaport:

RB Derrick Henry will have foot surgery tomorrow morning and be out 6-10 weeks. Six would be quite fast, eight is more likely.
*Legion* wrote:
garion333 wrote:
UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Von Miller to the Rams for two second day pics.

Such a typical Rams trade. No draft picks till 2025 now, eh?

And no cap space. Trying to buy a championship right here and now.

I was looking at the figures on Over The Cap and it looks like the Saints are facing cap Armageddon in 2022. They are 5-2 with a better than decent chance of making the WC round. They likely won't win their division. And the teams they are likely to face will likely roflstomp them in their current state.

This puts them in a really tough spot as they are too good to tank and not good enough to make a run. They can't go on a fire sale, but can't afford to keep the team they have assembled.

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Ravens, Ravens, Ravens.....

LB Malik Harrison shot in the leg with a stray bullet in Cleveland. That should learn ya to stay tf out of Cleveland.

RT Ja'Wan James has a chance of playing in December. If he balls out in January, I am breaking into EDC's house to steal his crystal ball. That sh*t should make me a billionaire.

Cincy getting rolled by a 26yo junior college QB puts the Ravens on top by default. Way to win the bye week.

The Titans are signing Adrian Peterson to replace Derrick Henry. Because reasons.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

The Titans are signing Adrian Peterson to replace Derrick Henry. Because reasons.

"reasons" being "because the Ravens snatched up the rest of the geriatric running backs".

Paleocon wrote:

I was looking at the figures on Over The Cap and it looks like the Saints are facing cap Armageddon in 2022.

You're not wrong. That's an insane amount of cap overage for a team that has only about $12.9m in QB spending in that cap year.

It's especially bad when you consider $8.9m of that is Taysom Hill's voided contract bonus acceleration. In other words, Taysom is currently slated to count $8.9m on the 2022 cap while becoming a free agent. They can extend him to put off the acceleration, but then they have to actually pay him new money too, as this is prorated counting of previously-paid bonus money.

I'm guessing they will need to restructure Marshon Lattimore's deal, which stings because we're talking about a deal he signed two months ago.

They can get rid of Bradley Roby and save about $9.4m.

They just traded for Mark Ingram but he'll probably be gone again, $2.3m saved.

For a team currently projected to be $56m and change in the red, there's still a lot more than this that has to happen to get back above water. But the easy cap moves are hard to come by at this point.

They already have so many deals with voidable years pushing cap money out into the future. Like they probably need to restructure Cam Jordan, but he's already got one voidable year on there.

It's taking New England two full years post-Brady to get cap healthy again. New Orleans is probably going to take three or even four, with this year counting as the first (they have $42m in dead money on this year's cap). All that restructuring and "the cap has no meaning!" of their late Brees years does, in fact, eventually have to be paid.

*Legion* wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

I was looking at the figures on Over The Cap and it looks like the Saints are facing cap Armageddon in 2022.

You're not wrong. That's an insane amount of cap overage for a team that has only about $12.9m in QB spending in that cap year.

It's especially bad when you consider $8.9m of that is Taysom Hill's voided contract bonus acceleration. In other words, Taysom is currently slated to count $8.9m on the 2022 cap while becoming a free agent. They can extend him to put off the acceleration, but then they have to actually pay him new money too, as this is prorated counting of previously-paid bonus money.

I'm guessing they will need to restructure Marshon Lattimore's deal, which stings because we're talking about a deal he signed two months ago.

They can get rid of Bradley Roby and save about $9.4m.

They just traded for Mark Ingram but he'll probably be gone again, $2.3m saved.

For a team currently projected to be $56m and change in the red, there's still a lot more than this that has to happen to get back above water. But the easy cap moves are hard to come by at this point.

They already have so many deals with voidable years pushing cap money out into the future. Like they probably need to restructure Cam Jordan, but he's already got one voidable year on there.

It's taking New England two full years post-Brady to get cap healthy again. New Orleans is probably going to take three or even four, with this year counting as the first (they have $42m in dead money on this year's cap). All that restructuring and "the cap has no meaning!" of their late Brees years does, in fact, eventually have to be paid.

Exactly. The trade deadline decisions would be a lot easier to make if they were 2-5 right now, but at 5-2, they would get crucified for having a fire sale. In the end though, I can't imagine they have a better way forward. They are never going to get more for what they have than now and the chance to unload contracts will be over and done with by this time tomorrow.

Yeah, the one way they could free up some significant cap space is by trading one or more of the players who they have loaded up with guaranteed salary (meaning they can't get relief by cutting that player).

2022 guaranteed salaries on the Saints roster:

Marcus Davenport: $9.5m
Andrus Peat: $10.85m
Alvin Kamara: $11.5m
Ryan Ramczyk: $19m
Marshon Lattimore: $24.1m

You can see how getting rid of one or two would go a long way to making up that $56m they're in the hole in 2022, but those are tough names to get rid of right now.

The upside is that they get just as much relief from trading them in the offseason as they would at the trade deadline, so missing the boat on trade opportunities now doesn't mean they're out of luck. But they will need to do something before the league year starts, because they have to get that minus-$56m down to $0 come the beginning of March.

Would not watch these combined 5-9 teams except for Manning Cast. It's been great. Poor Jon Stewart

Wow. If KC loses this one, there is a better than average chance they miss the playoffs.

I'm a Giants fan and I'm embarrassed for the Chiefs. What the hell happened to Mahomes? Did his deal with Mephistopheles run out?

Paleocon wrote:

Wow. If KC loses this one, there is a better than average chance they miss the playoffs.

In the end, they were still playing against the Giants.