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Previous incarnations of Cleveland/P&C/D&D have had an image thread, to handle political cartoons and other image-based stuff that doesn't belong in the general post-a-picture threads.

If any of them spawn an extended discussion, please spawn it off into its own thread. Replies to non-picture replies should take the form of a link pointing to a post on a different discussion thread.

And I shouldn't have to say it, but the images still need to abide by the rules.

Tiedrich has such a wonderful way with the language.

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Oof.

For non-Oregonians, a school staff member showed up to the Newburg public school in blackface today to protest covid vaccine mandates.

ruhk wrote:

Oof.

For non-Oregonians, a school staff member showed up to the Newburg public school in blackface today to protest covid vaccine mandates.

She showed up in blackface “dressed as Rosa Parks”. There’s no bottom. Rosa Parks should never trend nationally with Oregon unless we rename a city after her.

Nuclear power shouldn't be run by a for-profit company anyway, that's just begging for disaster and cancer. It doesn't have to be profitable, it just has to bridge the gap and replace fossil fuels, even if temporarily.

Ah, the article I saw didn’t say she was dressed as Rosa Parks, I assumed it was trending with Rosa Parks because of the usual suspects Like Ben Shapiro saying she was standing up against authoritarianism or something.

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ruhk wrote:

Oof.

For non-Oregonians, a school staff member showed up to the Newburg public school in blackface today to protest covid vaccine mandates.

Oh...oh no...oh nononononononooooooo...

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The water lobby needs to up their game.

It’s always capitalists who whine and whine and whine about the cost of water and gasoline in the aftermath of a disaster. It’s like they forgot that under their system, price gouging is literally a synonym for responsible business practice.

farley3k wrote:

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Ask Joe Manchin's daughter who was CEO of the company that became a monopoly and jacked the price of epi pens from $55 to $350 and his wife who pushed to make it a requirement for schools to have epi pens on hand.

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Of course no one really believes it is about data for ant-vaxers.

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You just wait. Half of those people will fall over dead in 3...2...1... ...(moves goal posts)... 3...2...1...

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farley3k wrote:

Of course no one really believes it is about data for ant-vaxers.

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JLS wrote:

You just wait. Half of those people will fall over dead in 3...2...1... ...(moves goal posts)... 3...2...1...

To be fair (yeah I don't know why I feel the need to do that), in theory something could have side effects that don't show up for years or even decades. We have good reasons to believe that the vaccines won't have such effects, but in the abstract it isn't completely insane to be concerned that there could still be unknown consequences. Clearly the dangers of COVID, and the long term harms of it that we are learning about are *MUCH* worse than those hypothetical unlikely effects, so being more worried about the vaccines is still silly.

Given the choice between using a non-sterile bandage to stop myself from bleeding out in the wilderness, or protecting myself from potential infection from the bandage by refusing it, I'm going to go ahead and risk an infection. The risk side of the analysis isn't zero, but the balance of harms isn't anywhere near a close call.

ElectricPi wrote:
farley3k wrote:

Of course no one really believes it is about data for ant-vaxers.

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JLS wrote:

You just wait. Half of those people will fall over dead in 3...2...1... ...(moves goal posts)... 3...2...1...

To be fair (yeah I don't know why I feel the need to do that), in theory something could have side effects that don't show up for years or even decades. We have good reasons to believe that the vaccines won't have such effects, but in the abstract it isn't completely insane to be concerned that there could still be unknown consequences. Clearly the dangers of COVID, and the long term harms of it that we are learning about are *MUCH* worse than those hypothetical unlikely effects, so being more worried about the vaccines is still silly.

Given the choice between using a non-sterile bandage to stop myself from bleeding out in the wilderness, or protecting myself from potential infection from the bandage by refusing it, I'm going to go ahead and risk an infection. The risk side of the analysis isn't zero, but the balance of harms isn't anywhere near a close call.

I’m not at all an expert on these things… but let’s take the Agent Orange example. Wasn’t there sufficient evidence that it was harmful for humans to come in contact with that stuff before they sprayed it on the jungles of Viet Nam?

And the Tuskegee Experiment. The cruelty was the point. There was more than sufficient evidence of the horrendous effects of untreated syphilis.

I feel like these are the type of events which would best justify an apprehension to the COVID vaccines. But if you look into the details of these events you should notice right away that the COVID vaccine doesn’t track with the others.

But of course, I know, I know, I’m expecting people who are frozen with fear to be logical about the current situation. And that’s clearly not going to happen. Not with the amount of misinformation being proliferated by these bad actors.

Specifically you're asking racists to be logical about something. Good luck with that.

RawkGWJ wrote:
ElectricPi wrote:

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I’m not at all an expert on these things… but let’s take the Agent Orange example. Wasn’t there sufficient evidence that it was harmful for humans to come in contact with that stuff before they sprayed it on the jungles of Viet Nam?

And the Tuskegee Experiment. The cruelty was the point. There was more than sufficient evidence of the horrendous effects of untreated syphilis.

I feel like these are the type of events which would best justify an apprehension to the COVID vaccines. But if you look into the details of these events you should notice right away that the COVID vaccine doesn’t track with the others.

But of course, I know, I know, I’m expecting people who are frozen with fear to be logical about the current situation. And that’s clearly not going to happen. Not with the amount of misinformation being proliferated by these bad actors.

I'm not an expert at all either, but there are degrees of stupid ideas. "There could be long term side effects of the vaccines" I think falls in the 'plausable if unlikely, and certainly not as bad as the consequences of not taking it' category that uninformed but open minded and intelligent people could have (easily answered) questions about.

'it's going to make me magnetic', 'it's a way for Bill Gates and George Soros to implant mind control chips', and the like are in a very different category.

I feel like it can be worth engaging with someone who is concerned about potential long term side effects and addressing their concerns; I don't think it is generally worth engaging with the people who think it's magnetizing people for mind control purposes (though ceding the field to them isn't necessarily good either).

I feel much more comfortable making fun of the conspiracy theorists than the merely uninformed. To me, the original quote felt a bit to dismissive of a position that *could* be simple ignorance rather than willful ignorance, but I have no problem with others disagreeing.

ElectricPi wrote:

I'm not an expert at all either, but there are degrees of stupid ideas. "There could be long term side effects of the vaccines" I think falls in the 'plausable if unlikely, and certainly not as bad as the consequences of not taking it' category that uninformed but open minded and intelligent people could have (easily answered) questions about.

The thing is, from everything I've read, the history of vaccine reactions means it's not even really plausible. "Passive" things that just cause an immune reaction have basically never had measurable long-term effects. If you're going to have a reaction, it's going to be almost immediate, either because of something to do with your immune system, or an allergy to one of the ingredients in the delivery mechanism (ie, some are in a suspension with egg proteins).

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Duh I am not the age group they are talking about and I feel it

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*removed. Always want this place to feel comfortable.

farley3k wrote:

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I have to tell you that I'm super uncomfortable with this. It feels sexist and gross and like something that I'd expect to see on 4chan, but not here.

I get what you are saying DS. But if she is anything, she is gross and sexist in addition to being a Nazi and likely terrorist.

I read it as stupidity initally but i see where DSG is coming from and it is better to err on side of caution.

As a dirty joke on its own I found it hilarious. I did question why it was presented in the context of being said by that person. Unless there’s something else I’m missing.

Tscott wrote:

As a dirty joke on its own I found it hilarious. I did question why it was presented in the context of being said by that person. Unless there’s something else I’m missing.

Because she argues in bad faith regularly about absurd things. She was one of the origin points of the idea that the California wildfires were being caused by a Jewish space laser, among other absurdities.

Removed it - I don't want people to feel like they don't want to open the thread.

I was debating more than usual because in some ways this section should make people uncomfortable but I want them to be uncomfortable about having their beliefs challenged not silly sex jokes.

Classy as always - thanks Farley.