NFL 2021: The Week 2 thread

*Legion* wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

It was actually a long con play by the Ravens to get two third round compensatory picks by getting Houston to hire him off the Ravens' staff.

Real talk, those picks are a competitive advantage, and hopefully teams do get more minority coaches and execs into the pipeline as a result.

The Niners getting three 3rds from the Saleh and Mayhew hirings absolutely made the big trade-up for Trey Lance easier. One went into the trade, and the others just help offset the 1st round pick losses.

Yup. Here’s hoping our two new passing coaches turn things around and get real shots at NFL careers. They have been doing great work as consultants for a decade.

Someone at work tried to tell me that Lamar Jackson was "all hype" and that he will never be an elite qb unless he wins a Super Bowl this year. Here is my response.

There are very few QB's that can overcome a bad supporting cast. Think of the elites in the league right now and imagine them without three of their top four offensive weapons.

Take Chis Godwin, Mike Evans, and Rob Gronkowski away from Tom Brady.

Take Travis Kelce, Tyreek Hill, and Mechole Hardman away from Pat Mahommes.

Take Stefan Diggs, Cole Beasley, and Emanuel Sanders away from Josh Allen.

Take DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett, and Chris Carson away from Russell Wilson.

Take Davante Adams, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, and Aaron Jones away from Aaron Rodgers.

Imagine any of those scenarios and instead of folks saying that they have too much to overcome, they say that he will never be great unless they win a Super Bowl this year.

That is the pressure Lamar is under and it isn't just you saying it. In fact, it isn't even your original thought. You're just parroting the BS that folks in the sports media with agendas want you to believe. Do yourself a favor and think it through.

Man, wish we had a better angle on this play because Cooper Cupp ruined this DB's career.

Paleocon wrote:

Someone at work tried to tell me that Lamar Jackson was "all hype" and that he will never be an elite qb unless he wins a Super Bowl this year. Here is my response.

There are very few QB's that can overcome a bad supporting cast. Think of the elites in the league right now and imagine them without three of their top four offensive weapons.

Take Chis Godwin, Mike Evans, and Rob Gronkowski away from Tom Brady.

Take Travis Kelce, Tyreek Hill, and Mechole Hardman away from Pat Mahommes.

Take Stefan Diggs, Cole Beasley, and Emanuel Sanders away from Josh Allen.

Take DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett, and Chris Carson away from Russell Wilson.

Take Davante Adams, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, and Aaron Jones away from Aaron Rodgers.

Imagine any of those scenarios and instead of folks saying that they have too much to overcome, they say that he will never be great unless they win a Super Bowl this year.

That is the pressure Lamar is under and it isn't just you saying it. In fact, it isn't even your original thought. You're just parroting the BS that folks in the sports media with agendas want you to believe. Do yourself a favor and think it through.

That's like saying Barry Sanders wasn't elite because he didn't win a SB. This reminds me of the arguments years back where "If Sanders had the Oline and supporting cast that Emmitt Smith had, he would be elite". I would have taken Sanders over Smith any day, that's how good Sanders was. Emmitt Smith was great, Sanders was a phenomenon, and he didn't even win a ring.

It's almost like there are 52 other players on a football team (maybe more now), a coaching staff, a training staff, scouts, general managers, and dozens of support staff that all contribute (not equally) to the success of an organization.

15 players on IR with 7 of them being starters.

I don't know any other QB that would be faring as well with that much to overcome.

Paleocon wrote:

15 players on IR with 7 of them being starters.

I don't know any other QB that would be faring as well with that much to overcome.

I get what you're saying, but I think Brady has long shown he'll still get the job done without quality players. When he has quality he's breaking records.

The same is true of Lamar. He's just breaking different records.

As for the rest of em, it's harder to say, but most of them haven't played 757 seasons like Brady has.

Yes, he's a running back now ... but given these splits, maybe not for long. As a receiver, he had two gains of 23 yards, plus a 7-yard touchdown. As a rusher, however, his 10-yard touchdown was his only successful carry. None of his other runs gained more than 2 yards and four were stuffed, including a botched direct snap that ended up losing 9 yards.

Cordarrelle Patterson

Tanier over at FO with this nugget:

11. Tennessee Titans (defeated Seattle Seahawks 33-30 in overtime)
They have played six miserable quarters and three really good ones (counting overtime) through two games. That amounts to a .333 average, which is terrible in most contexts but more than sufficient in major league baseball and the AFC South.

And this:

Game Spotlight: Raiders 26, Steelers 17
What Kappened: The Steelers tried to lure the Raiders into a grunt-fest in the first half, forcing Derek Carr and company to settle for too many field goals while the Steelers supplemented their smoke-and-mirrors offense with lots of Ben Roethlisfloaters. But the Raiders scored two second-half touchdowns, one on Henry Ruggs' weekly big-play cameo, and Steelers receivers spent too much of the second half trying to haul in knuckle-curveballs on third-and-long.

I love that.

garion333 wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

15 players on IR with 7 of them being starters.

I don't know any other QB that would be faring as well with that much to overcome.

I get what you're saying, but I think Brady has long shown he'll still get the job done without quality players. When he has quality he's breaking records.

The same is true of Lamar. He's just breaking different records.

As for the rest of em, it's harder to say, but most of them haven't played 757 seasons like Brady has.

I guess my point is that folks tend to forget it is a team game when they are talkin about Lamar Jackson when it comes to his losses and don't give him credit when he puts the team on his back like he did in the last 15 minutes of that Chiefs game and pulls off a miracle.

Patriots' special teams coach Cam Achord is now doing infomercials during press conferences.

You know the Niners running back health situation isn't great when, if the game was played today, they would be starting a guy that the Ravens waived a week ago.

They just signed a guy off of Cincinnati's practice squad.

Yeah, but that's only because the Ravens already scooped up ALL the vets.

So when does San Fran sign Alfred Morris and reunite him with Shanny?

Frank Gore still out there somewhere?

ukickmydog wrote:

So when does San Fran sign Alfred Morris and reunite him with Shanny?

At least you've identified a name of a player who was actually in a training camp this year.

The Niners subreddit is full of "BRING BACK FRANK GORE" and "sign Gurley and Peterson".

Morris is indeed the one veteran that I've thought was a possibility.

Adrian Peterson walking off the street and smoking the Packers for 100 yards + 2 TDs would be 0 surprising.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

Frank Gore still out there somewhere?

Not exactly

It's like Y2K for bad RBs; back in Y2K, all those old COBOL programmers nobody wanted anymore suddenly could command loads of money to fix all the crappy old code nobody understood anymore. Now? Well, you're some dude who barely scraped his way onto an XFL roster at one point? Hey, you've actually got two functioning legs, so it's time for a bidding war.

I had to look him up, because I had no idea who this is, and was pretty certain I knew everyone from the 90-man training camp roster.

Virgin (heh) was in Patriots camp, and was released in the final 53 cuts. The Niners apparently signed him to their practice squad a few days later.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

The Carolina Panthers; #1 in DVOA for the first time ever.

DARNOLD FOR MVP.

Niners 6th in DVOA even after two rather underperforming games (well, maybe not in those first 3 1/2 quarters of the Lions game, but beyond that...)

The back-to-back east coast road games for west coast teams (with 1pm Eastern kickoff times) remains bullsh*t. Doing it to a team in September is especially bullsh*t. Doing it to a team in September two years in a row is mega bullsh*t.

At least this time, only the team's CB1 and every running back died, instead of, you know, the entire roster.

Also, the fact that the Jags are only 31st in DVOA is amazing. Atlanta, how are you worse?

Trying to pass rush against Trent Williams is a thankless task:

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*Legion* wrote:

I had to look him up, because I had no idea who this is, and was pretty certain I knew everyone from the 90-man training camp roster.

Virgin (heh) was in Patriots camp, and was released in the final 53 cuts. The Niners apparently signed him to their practice squad a few days later.

Disappointed his name wasn't Dee Snutz.

Wow that Trent move! Technique and power right here, amazing!

*Legion* wrote:

Trying to pass rush against Trent Williams is a thankless task:

IMAGE(https://i.imgur.com/CLc39is.gif)

I had to look up who that was. Tarron Jackson is a third string, rookie 6th rounder. It looks bad to be sure, but it's a bit of a pile on.

Next Legion will be crowing about his Niners beating the Giants. Uh hello you are supposed to destroy the NFC East. We stink.

Week 3 thread will be delayed. Expect it later tonight. The olds who go to bed right after the evening news can read it in the morning.

I could tell you I'm still in shock from the Panthers being 2-0. Or I could say that I actually get paid to write stuff, and the paying gig comes before whatever this is.

Pick your excuse! I know I'm getting my excuses ready for when the Panthers sh!t the bed on Thursday night.

TheGameguru wrote:

Next Legion will be crowing about his Niners beating the Giants. Uh hello you are supposed to destroy the NFC East. We stink.

I think you're reading a bit too much into a funny gif of a guy getting blasted.