[Discussion] Police, White Nationalists, and the Rise of Fascism

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Baron Of Hell wrote:

The crazy thing is that nothing is happening to the people that provided a edited video and knowingly lied to protect the cop.

That probably has something to do with the fact the community has thrice elected a DA who doesn't give a f*ck.

In fact when the same DA ruled that the police shooting of Bernardo Palacios-Carbajal was legally justified last summer--the police fired 34 rounds at Palacios-Carbajal, hitting him about 15 times--people targeted his office building in protest, breaking some windows and splashing it with red paint. The DA responded by charging everyone involved with felony rioting--a first degree felony that carries a sentence up to life--instead of criminal mischief, which is a second degree felony. The DA also used a gang enhancement law passed in the 90s to deter drug trafficking to boost the severity of charges on two defendants.

And it worked. After a year of legal battles all but one defendant plead guilty to misdemeanors and had to repay $100,000 of the supposed $200,000 in damages to the DA building.

The DA's term is up in 2022. We'll see if he gets re-elected or if he decides to move on to a bigger political office.

Long thread on twitter

Cop caught trying to plant evidence in the car that he found on one of the passengers, so then they would have probable cause to search the car. Luckily driver was recording and announced as he saw the cop put something in the back seat. So suddenly no arrests, no search, everyone was let go with just the original speeding ticket. The PD statement says some BS about improper disposal of evidence. The passenger had other items confiscated and returned, but just the one baggie that looked like it could have contained drugs at some point was the piece the cop tried to plant.

Can't trust any of them, ever. Record everything.

Big weekend in Portland. Saturday there was a small scale tussle when a group of white supremacists rolled up with mace and paintball guns with frozen paintballs, indiscriminately attacking people until they got run off by antifascists.

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Sunday there was a religious event downtown. Tiny Toese himself and a group of Proud Boys showed up to “protect it” despite the fact that no one had issues with it and the same event happened this time last year with no issues. They ended up harassing attendees until antifascists showed up.

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After dark the Proud Boys brought out homemade explosives and actual rifles.

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One of the Proud Boys became separated from his group and walked around downtown threatening to shoot random people. He eventually found his way to the Justice Center where the cops welcomed him inside to hide from the growing group of people following him.

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No serious injuries but this was the most brazen the far right has been here since 2019 when they were caught setting up a sniper nest in a parking garage.

So why haven't the people that the dude pointed the gun at pressed charges for assault?

Edit: Thinking about it, if everyone in the crowd that he pointed his gun at pressed charges, that would be a large number of counts.

Nevin73 wrote:

So why haven't the people that the dude pointed the gun at pressed charges for assault?

Edit: Thinking about it, if everyone in the crowd that he pointed his gun at pressed charges, that would be a large number of counts.

Despite what tv says, people can’t just go around pressing criminal charges on people, that’s the role of attorneys in the context of criminal prosecution. It would require the police actually do something first, which is unlikely in this instance since the cops here are openly on the side of the far right hate groups, have been caught communicating with them in the past and warning them of warrants, and typically only arrest them when absolutely forced to.
The most anyone could do is sue them for personal injury/harassment or something similar, and odds are there would be plenty of cops willing to testify in their defense.

A really good look at Aggrieved Entitlement.

ruhk wrote:
Nevin73 wrote:

So why haven't the people that the dude pointed the gun at pressed charges for assault?

Edit: Thinking about it, if everyone in the crowd that he pointed his gun at pressed charges, that would be a large number of counts.

Despite what tv says, people can’t just go around pressing criminal charges on people, that’s the role of attorneys in the context of criminal prosecution. It would require the police actually do something first, which is unlikely in this instance since the cops here are openly on the side of the far right hate groups, have been caught communicating with them in the past and warning them of warrants, and typically only arrest them when absolutely forced to.
The most anyone could do is sue them for personal injury/harassment or something similar, and odds are there would be plenty of cops willing to testify in their defense.

But if 20 people enter a station to lodge a complaint that a dude was pointing a gun at them, there would have to be action, correct?

The headlines are that ANTIFA violently shut down a Christian worship service guarded by the Proud Boys, so 20 people going to report a patriot with a gun would be “Mob assaults police in station, complains of legal carry laws”…

Remember, Oregon was literally founded as a White Supremacist haven.

Someone should have just shot him and claimed they did so in self-defense because he was actively threatening a large number of people.

Robear wrote:

The headlines are that ANTIFA violently shut down a Christian worship service guarded by the Proud Boys, so 20 people going to report a patriot with a gun would be “Mob assaults police in station, complains of legal carry laws”…

Headline, singular. That's what Fox News called it. Every other news outlet I see is at least attempting a neutral tone. Fox will spin things the way they spin things no matter what people do; we should be far beyond giving a sh*t what they say at this point.

That said, yes, if twenty people entered a police station to lodge a complaint against a far-right fascist asshole who is working in cooperation with the far-right fascist police, action would indeed be taken. Against those twenty people.

OG_slinger wrote:

Someone should have just shot him and claimed they did so in self-defense because he was actively threatening a large number of people.

Only if the someone was white.

Nevin73 wrote:

But if 20 people enter a station to lodge a complaint that a dude was pointing a gun at them, there would have to be action, correct?

Hahaha, no.

Robear wrote:

The headlines are that ANTIFA violently shut down a Christian worship service guarded by the Proud Boys, so 20 people going to report a patriot with a gun would be “Mob assaults police in station, complains of legal carry laws”…

Remember, Oregon was literally founded as a White Supremacist haven.

So was the prayer rally a separate event or just cover for the Proud Boys? Because if it was a separate event it’s poor form to come storming in and busting things up, especially with kids in the crowd. There’s definitely a narrative that some members of Antifa started escalating attacks against folks who may not deserve it.

But once again if it was just a cover that’s something else entirely. And none of it excuses the dude running around with the rifle. I guess on the plus side some of the liberal vets I follow on Twitter pointed out that upon closer inspection it might have been an airsoft.

Finally, regarding stand your ground. I don’t know Portland law intimately but I’ve seen folks in Seattle go to prison in cases where the victim was armed but not posing an immediate threat. I have to imagine that you’d need to prove the rifleman was actively trying to kill you to win a self defense case.

jdzappa wrote:

I guess on the plus side some of the liberal vets I follow on Twitter pointed out that upon closer inspection it might have been an airsoft.

People have been killed over less lethal-looking weapons.

JD, my understanding is that it was a yearly prayer rally that was protested each year, peacefully. This year, the BLM protesters were quiet and well-behaved. The Proud Boys showed up, and held off at first at the request of a church member, but later in the day they violently attacked the BLM folks. Antifa folks showed up later and drove them off. The Proud Boys ended up "patrolling" the streets with firearms, looking for trouble.

That's the narrative I've seen outside the Right media.

The FBI would be the more appropriate body, since they are supposed to clean up local police, but that is in pretty extreme cases normally.

Mixolyde wrote:

The FBI would be the more appropriate body, since they are supposed to clean up local police, but that is in pretty extreme cases normally.

Extreme by reasonable standards, or extreme in comparison with a baseline of average American police departments?

hbi2k wrote:
Mixolyde wrote:

The FBI would be the more appropriate body, since they are supposed to clean up local police, but that is in pretty extreme cases normally.

Extreme by reasonable standards, or extreme in comparison with a baseline of average American police departments?

The second, unfortunately. I was just listening to a podcast about this, actually. Probably Lawfare. Anyway, because of limited resources, FBI relies heavily on local LE offices for various things, and it generally doesn't want to screw up those relationships, so it is pretty conservative (pun intended) about going after them.

Chumpy_McChump wrote:
jdzappa wrote:

I guess on the plus side some of the liberal vets I follow on Twitter pointed out that upon closer inspection it might have been an airsoft.

Black People have been killed over less lethal-looking weapons.

Added for accuracy.

Judge asks why Capitol rioters are paying just $1.5 million for attack, while U.S. taxpayers will pay more than $500 million

Washington Post wrote:

A federal judge on Monday questioned why U.S. prosecutors are asking Capitol riot defendants to pay only $1.5 million in restitution while American taxpayers are paying more than $500 million to cover the costs of the Jan. 6 attack by a pro-Trump mob.

Chief U.S. District Judge Beryl A. Howell of Washington challenged the toughness of the Justice Department’s stance in a plea hearing for a Colorado Springs man who admitted to one of four nonviolent misdemeanor counts of picketing in the U.S. Capitol.

Howell has already asked in another defendant’s plea hearing whether no-prison misdemeanor plea deals offered by the government are too lenient for individuals involved in “terrorizing members of Congress,” asking pointedly whether the government had “any concern about deterrence?”

On Monday, she pressed the U.S. attorney’s office in Washington on why it was seeking to require only $2,000 in each felony case and $500 in each misdemeanor case.

“I’m accustomed to the government being fairly aggressive in terms of fraud when there have been damages that accrue from a criminal act for the restitution amount,” said Howell, a former Brooklyn federal prosecutor and Senate Judiciary Committee general counsel.

“Where we have Congress acting, appropriating all this money due directly to the events of January 6th, I have found the damage amount of less than $1.5 million — when all of us American taxpayers are about to foot the bill for close to half a billion dollars — a little bit surprising,” she said.

The judge alluded to a $2.1 billion security bill passed overwhelmingly July 29 by Congress to cover the costs of the Jan. 6 attack, including reimbursements totaling $521 million for the National Guard and $70 million to the Capitol Police, plus $300 million for Capitol security improvements.

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Prosecutors gave few details in early June when they put a price tag for the first time on damage done to the Capitol in the riots, saying in court filings that as of mid-May the sum totaled “approximately $1,495,326.55.”

The basis of the estimate was not clear but appeared to reflect the immediate costs of replacing broken windows, doors and other property. A spokeswoman for the Architect of the Capitol said the agency gave damage assessments to the Justice Department, which calculated the per-case penalty, and separate assessments to House and Senate appropriators for wider security costs.

Federal law allows judges at sentencing to order convicted offenders to reimburse victims for property damage and other losses, depending whether losses are a direct and foreseeable result of an offender’s crime. But the law also makes restitution a negotiable item pursuant to plea agreement.

Each of these seditionist little sh*ts should be making American taxpayers completely whole even if that financially breaks them and their families.

OG_slinger wrote:

Judge asks why Capitol rioters are paying just $1.5 million for attack, while U.S. taxpayers will pay more than $500 million

Each of these seditionist little sh*ts should be making American taxpayers completely whole even if that financially breaks them and their families.

Absolutely, and that's without reckoning what the charges and fines levied towards the various organizations that spearheaded the riot should be.

Natus wrote:
OG_slinger wrote:

Judge asks why Capitol rioters are paying just $1.5 million for attack, while U.S. taxpayers will pay more than $500 million

Each of these seditionist little sh*ts should be making American taxpayers completely whole even if that financially breaks them and their families.

Absolutely, and that's without reckoning what the charges and fines levied towards the various organizations that spearheaded the riot should be.

Most countries deal with coup attempts with backhoes and lye.

Police blame a innocent woman of murdering a man in a hit and run after they have proof she didn't do it. Lucky for her her lawyer got video proof that she was in fact a victim in random vandalism attack. Without the video she would be in prison now.

They should all be fired. I'm sure all of the "officers" involved will get off with ZERO repercussions. And qualified immunity so she dropped her suit? WTF

JC wrote:

They should all be fired. I'm sure all of the "officers" involved will get off with ZERO repercussions. And tax payers are going to end up paying for the lawsuit because of these assholes.

In the story it says she's dropping the lawsuit because the officers have qualified immunity.

That may be true for the police, but I'd think she could still sue the city for damages.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

Police blame a innocent woman of murdering a man in a hit and run after they have proof she didn't do it. Lucky for her her lawyer got video proof that she was in fact a victim in random vandalism attack. Without the video she would be in prison now.

I would bet money that the cops hit and ran the pedestrian and then framed her by jumping on the hood and stomping the windshield. I have more evidence of this claim from that video alone than the cops had against the lady.

Remember, the cops saw the security video before arresting her. I bet they ran the plates of parked cars until they were sure that they had a woman of color and then proceeded to frame her.

I f*cking hate (crooked) cops.

Removed because it wasn't true.

Hacked by bourbon, maybe.

If you dive into the Twitter responses, it appears that the email header was spoofed and did not in fact originate from Chicago FOP servers.

Not that the dude's not a scumbag, just sounds like he's (probably) not personally responsible for this particular bit of scumbaggery.