[Discussion] Impeachment, Legacy, and Discussion of Individual 45

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The 'PatriotSOAR' people are the pond scum of crazy at the absolute fringes of the crazy well. The reason they claim Pelosi will 'melt like the wicked witch' is because the entire 'Democrat Party' is built on the Satanic sacrifice of Martin Luther King, Jr, JFK Jr. and Mary Jo Kopechne (as a symbolic Virgin Mary). There's also Jim Jones, the Weather Underground as precursor to BLM, sacred geometry of Delaware, a map of Boston looks like a hammer and sickle, some numerology on Ted Kennedy's license plate... These are not well people.

https://www.wonkette.com/we-must-dis...

qaraq wrote:

The 'PatriotSOAR' people are the pond scum of crazy at the absolute fringes of the crazy well. The reason they claim Pelosi will 'melt like the wicked witch' is because the entire 'Democrat Party' is built on the Satanic sacrifice of Martin Luther King, Jr, JFK Jr. and Mary Jo Kopechne (as a symbolic Virgin Mary). There's also Jim Jones, the Weather Underground as precursor to BLM, sacred geometry of Delaware, a map of Boston looks like a hammer and sickle, some numerology on Ted Kennedy's license plate... These are not well people.

https://www.wonkette.com/we-must-dis...

Proving once again that Right Wing bullsh*t is completely and utterly indistinguishable from a parody of itself.

qaraq wrote:

The 'PatriotSOAR' people are the pond scum of crazy at the absolute fringes of the crazy well. The reason they claim Pelosi will 'melt like the wicked witch' is because the entire 'Democrat Party' is built on the Satanic sacrifice of Martin Luther King, Jr, JFK Jr. and Mary Jo Kopechne (as a symbolic Virgin Mary). There's also Jim Jones, the Weather Underground as precursor to BLM, sacred geometry of Delaware, a map of Boston looks like a hammer and sickle, some numerology on Ted Kennedy's license plate... These are not well people.

https://www.wonkette.com/we-must-dis...

I think there's a WHOLE LOT of repression going on with these people.

qaraq wrote:

There's also Jim Jones

The entire GOP ecosystem are Jim Jones acolytes at this point. It's always been a death cult, but never more so than now.

Strewth wrote:

“They say a lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on.”
~Terry Pratchett

Johnny Cash wrote:

Lies have to be covered up. The truth can run around naked.

Cash was wrong

qaraq wrote:

The 'PatriotSOAR' people are the pond scum of crazy at the absolute fringes of the crazy well. The reason they claim Pelosi will 'melt like the wicked witch' is because the entire 'Democrat Party' is built on the Satanic sacrifice of Martin Luther King, Jr, JFK Jr. and Mary Jo Kopechne (as a symbolic Virgin Mary). There's also Jim Jones, the Weather Underground as precursor to BLM, sacred geometry of Delaware, a map of Boston looks like a hammer and sickle, some numerology on Ted Kennedy's license plate... These are not well people.

https://www.wonkette.com/we-must-dis...

It's every bit as insane as I assumed it would be.

Somehow I don't think it's going to put Trump back into the White House.

‘They’re not going to f**king succeed’: Top generals feared Trump would attempt a coup after election, according to new book

CNN wrote:

The top US military officer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Mark Milley, was so shaken that then-President Donald Trump and his allies might attempt a coup or take other dangerous or illegal measures after the November election that Milley and other top officials informally planned for different ways to stop Trump, according to excerpts of an upcoming book obtained by CNN.

The book, from Pulitzer Prize-winning Washington Post reporters Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker, describes how Milley and the other Joint Chiefs discussed a plan to resign, one-by-one, rather than carry out orders from Trump that they considered to be illegal, dangerous or ill-advised.

“It was a kind of Saturday Night Massacre in reverse,” Leonnig and Rucker write.

The book, “I Alone Can Fix It,” scheduled to be released next Tuesday, chronicles Trump’s final year as president, with a behind-the-scenes look at how senior administration officials and Trump’s inner circle navigated his increasingly unhinged behavior after losing the 2020 election. The authors interviewed Trump for more than two hours.

The book recounts how for the first time in modern US history the nation’s top military officer, whose role is to advise the president, was preparing for a showdown with the commander in chief because he feared a coup attempt after Trump lost the November election.

The authors explain Milley’s growing concerns that personnel moves that put Trump acolytes in positions of power at the Pentagon after the November 2020 election, including the firing of Defense Secretary Mark Esper and the resignation of Attorney General William Barr, were the sign of something sinister to come.

Milley spoke to friends, lawmakers and colleagues about the threat of a coup, and the Joint Chiefs chairman felt he had to be “on guard” for what might come.

“They may try, but they’re not going to f**king succeed,” Milley told his deputies, according to the authors. “You can’t do this without the military. You can’t do this without the CIA and the FBI. We’re the guys with the guns.”

In the days leading up to January 6, Leonnig and Rucker write, Milley was worried about Trump’s call to action. “Milley told his staff that he believed Trump was stoking unrest, possibly in hopes of an excuse to invoke the Insurrection Act and call out the military.”

Milley viewed Trump as “the classic authoritarian leader with nothing to lose,” the authors write, and he saw parallels between Adolf Hitler’s rhetoric as a victim and savior and Trump’s false claims of election fraud.

“This is a Reichstag moment,” Milley told aides, according to the book. “The gospel of the Führer.”

Ahead of a November pro-Trump “Million MAGA March” to protest the election results, Milley told aides he feared it “could be the modern American equivalent of ‘brownshirts in the streets,’” referring to the pro-Nazi militia that fueled Hitler’s rise to power.

...

The book also contains several striking anecdotes about prominent women during the Trump presidency, including GOP Rep. Liz Cheney, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and former first lady Michelle Obama.

The book details a phone call the day after the January 6 insurrection between Milley and Cheney, the Wyoming Republican who has close military ties. Cheney voted to impeach Trump and has been an outspoken critic of his election lies, leading to her ouster from House GOP leadership.

Milley asked Cheney how she was doing.

“That f*cking guy Jim Jordan. That son of a b*tch,” Cheney said, according to the book.

Cheney bluntly relayed to Milley what she experienced on the House floor on January 6 while pro-Trump rioters overran police and breached the Capitol building, including a run-in with Jordan, a staunch Trump ally in the House who feverishly tried to overturn the election.

Cheney described to Milley her exchange with Jordan: “While these maniacs are going through the place, I’m standing in the aisle and he said, ‘We need to get the ladies away from the aisle. Let me help you.’ I smacked his hand away and told him, ‘Get away from me. You f**king did this.’”

“It was a kind of Saturday Night Massacre in reverse,” Leonnig and Rucker write.

Oh, that's a comfort. Nixon Saturday Night Massacred until he found someone to do what he wanted to do; I'm sure Trump would have waited until someone showed up who was willing to do what he wanted to do.

Yeah, running away is the cowardly move.

Mixolyde wrote:

Yeah, running away is the cowardly move.

Yeah. I wasn’t hoping for, “I would resign”. I was hoping for, “I was ready to stop him myself if I had to!”

I might get that book though.

OG_slinger wrote:

‘They’re not going to f**king succeed’: Top generals feared Trump would attempt a coup after election, according to new book

CNN wrote:

The top US military officer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Mark Milley, was so shaken that then-President Donald Trump and his allies might attempt a coup or take other dangerous or illegal measures after the November election that Milley and other top officials informally planned for different ways to stop Trump, according to excerpts of an upcoming book obtained by CNN.

The book, from Pulitzer Prize-winning Washington Post reporters Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker, describes how Milley and the other Joint Chiefs discussed a plan to resign, one-by-one, rather than carry out orders from Trump that they considered to be illegal, dangerous or ill-advised.

“It was a kind of Saturday Night Massacre in reverse,” Leonnig and Rucker write.

The book, “I Alone Can Fix It,” scheduled to be released next Tuesday, chronicles Trump’s final year as president, with a behind-the-scenes look at how senior administration officials and Trump’s inner circle navigated his increasingly unhinged behavior after losing the 2020 election. The authors interviewed Trump for more than two hours.

The book recounts how for the first time in modern US history the nation’s top military officer, whose role is to advise the president, was preparing for a showdown with the commander in chief because he feared a coup attempt after Trump lost the November election.

The authors explain Milley’s growing concerns that personnel moves that put Trump acolytes in positions of power at the Pentagon after the November 2020 election, including the firing of Defense Secretary Mark Esper and the resignation of Attorney General William Barr, were the sign of something sinister to come.

Milley spoke to friends, lawmakers and colleagues about the threat of a coup, and the Joint Chiefs chairman felt he had to be “on guard” for what might come.

“They may try, but they’re not going to f**king succeed,” Milley told his deputies, according to the authors. “You can’t do this without the military. You can’t do this without the CIA and the FBI. We’re the guys with the guns.”

In the days leading up to January 6, Leonnig and Rucker write, Milley was worried about Trump’s call to action. “Milley told his staff that he believed Trump was stoking unrest, possibly in hopes of an excuse to invoke the Insurrection Act and call out the military.”

Milley viewed Trump as “the classic authoritarian leader with nothing to lose,” the authors write, and he saw parallels between Adolf Hitler’s rhetoric as a victim and savior and Trump’s false claims of election fraud.

“This is a Reichstag moment,” Milley told aides, according to the book. “The gospel of the Führer.”

Ahead of a November pro-Trump “Million MAGA March” to protest the election results, Milley told aides he feared it “could be the modern American equivalent of ‘brownshirts in the streets,’” referring to the pro-Nazi militia that fueled Hitler’s rise to power.

...

The book also contains several striking anecdotes about prominent women during the Trump presidency, including GOP Rep. Liz Cheney, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and former first lady Michelle Obama.

The book details a phone call the day after the January 6 insurrection between Milley and Cheney, the Wyoming Republican who has close military ties. Cheney voted to impeach Trump and has been an outspoken critic of his election lies, leading to her ouster from House GOP leadership.

Milley asked Cheney how she was doing.

“That f*cking guy Jim Jordan. That son of a b*tch,” Cheney said, according to the book.

Cheney bluntly relayed to Milley what she experienced on the House floor on January 6 while pro-Trump rioters overran police and breached the Capitol building, including a run-in with Jordan, a staunch Trump ally in the House who feverishly tried to overturn the election.

Cheney described to Milley her exchange with Jordan: “While these maniacs are going through the place, I’m standing in the aisle and he said, ‘We need to get the ladies away from the aisle. Let me help you.’ I smacked his hand away and told him, ‘Get away from me. You f**king did this.’”

Jesus f*cking Christ.

@KT_So_It_Goes wrote:

if I had knowledge the us military command considered the president such a threat to the nation they referred to his insurrection as a reichstag moment complete with brownshirts I would simply not wait six months to put it in my book

Every time one of these books comes out with all this inside info I really want to get it. But I have to talk myself out of it because I know if I get it I'll just walk around in a fury for the next week.

stupidhaiku wrote:

Every time one of these books comes out with all this inside info I really want to get it. But I have to talk myself out of it because I know if I get it I'll just walk around in a fury for the next week.

And another one will come out before you've finished the last one.

Remember when we were just worried about child molesters in a pizza shop?

Simpler times.

More boot licking...

(CNN)House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy is expected to meet with former President Donald Trump on Thursday, Trump announced in a statement, coming as the California Republican is considering which members of his conference to appoint to a special committee tasked with investigating the deadly January 6 riot at the US Capitol.

"Kevin McCarthy will be meeting with me this afternoon at Trump National in Bedminster, N.J. Much to discuss!" Trump announced in a statement Thursday.

JC wrote:

More boot licking...

(CNN)House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy is expected to meet with former President Donald Trump on Thursday, Trump announced in a statement, coming as the California Republican is considering which members of his conference to appoint to a special committee tasked with investigating the deadly January 6 riot at the US Capitol.

"Kevin McCarthy will be meeting with me this afternoon at Trump National in Bedminster, N.J. Much to discuss!" Trump announced in a statement Thursday.

Something something conflict something something something of interest yada yada yada

Hobear wrote:
JC wrote:

More boot licking...

(CNN)House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy is expected to meet with former President Donald Trump on Thursday, Trump announced in a statement, coming as the California Republican is considering which members of his conference to appoint to a special committee tasked with investigating the deadly January 6 riot at the US Capitol.

"Kevin McCarthy will be meeting with me this afternoon at Trump National in Bedminster, N.J. Much to discuss!" Trump announced in a statement Thursday.

Something something conflict something something something of interest yada yada yada

Mr. Capone, which of our accountants and tax lawyers would you like to examine your finances?

stupidhaiku wrote:

Every time one of these books comes out with all this inside info I really want to get it. But I have to talk myself out of it because I know if I get it I'll just walk around in a fury for the next week.

The Washington Post ran a different fury-inducing excerpt from the book yesterday:

I Only Can Fix It wrote:

[Mark] Esper was at home in Northern Virginia feeling at peace that he had survived this long without getting fired and without having acquiesced to Trump’s wishes to order troops to break up domestic protests. The defense secretary had had a target on his back all fall, but Trump had not axed him.

Esper had a scare the night before, Nov. 2, when NBC’s Courtney Kube planned to report that he was preparing to be fired the day after the election, had updated his resignation letter and was quietly advising members of Congress about renaming Army bases named for Confederate generals as a sort of mic drop to fortify his legacy. Esper believed that if NBC published the story, it would signal that he was on the verge of resigning and prompt his premature firing — so he raced to stop it. He directed his aides to try to convince Kube that her information could be overhyped. It was true that Esper had been consulting with Congressional committees about renaming the bases. It also was true that he had prepared a resignation letter, as many Trump appointees had, but he had no imminent plans to submit it. In truth, Esper expected that Trump would fire him after the election, but was hoping to hold on if he could, at least for a few days after the election. He was worried about what Trump might try to do with the military if he were not at the helm. Esper warned Kube that publishing her story could result in a more compliant acting secretary of defense, which could have worrisome repercussions. The story was held as they tussled back and forth.

Esper was a lifelong Republican and had worked at the conservative Heritage Foundation as well as for Republican senators Bill Frist and Chuck Hagel. But he told his closest colleagues that as he watched TV news anchors cover the election results, he found himself rooting for the Democrat. Esper had worked with Biden and his secretary of state in waiting, Antony Blinken, when he was a senior staffer on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He had confidence that they were serious, stable people who cared deeply about shoring up national security. Esper couldn’t say the same about Trump. In fact, Trump had privately indicated that he would seek to withdraw from NATO and to blow up the U.S. alliance with South Korea, should he win reelection. When those alliances had come up in meetings with Esper and other top aides, some advisers warned Trump that shredding them before the election would be politically dangerous.

“Yeah, the second term,” Trump had said. “We’ll do it in the second term.”

OG_slinger wrote:
I Only Can Fix It wrote:

In fact, Trump had privately indicated that he would seek to withdraw from NATO and to blow up the U.S. alliance with South Korea, should he win reelection. When those alliances had come up in meetings with Esper and other top aides, some advisers warned Trump that shredding them before the election would be politically dangerous.

“Yeah, the second term,” Trump had said. “We’ll do it in the second term.”

Meh- This isn't new news. Trump had been complaining about NATO for a very long time. Of course he would want to back out.

ruhk wrote:

Is everyone excited? There’s only one more month until all the information on the deep state and the stolen election is revealed and everyone is so horrified and disgusted that all Americans unanimously demand that Trump be immediately reinstated as President! ;)

Yeeaahh, about that...

(about 2:45 in)

So nothing will actually happen on August 13th except that Lindell will have gotten people to pay for his "online symposium" which will show all the evidence he's supposedly gathered (and been turning into straight-to-DVD 'documentaries' he's conveniently selling).

Lindell's strategy to get Trump back in the White House remains a lawsuit. Lindell believes SCOTUS has the power to overturn the 2020 election (it does not) and that "we have precedent in our county, every single elected official in the history of the United States...when you find out, fraud overrides, a crime overrides everything, so the real winner always gets put back in."

Nevermind that SCOTUS's next session begins in October and that Lindell's lawsuit would first have to be filed, work its way through federal court and the inevitable appeal, and then Lindell will have to take it to SCOTUS and they'd have to grant certiorari and then hear the case before he's going to get his "9-0" ruling that he's so confident of. That would make it Spring 2022 at the earliest. Which is totally fine for Lindell because that would give him months to continue his grift.

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What does that even mean? It is the ramblings of lunatic. It is like reading the unibombers writings

OG_slinger wrote:

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Do you have a source for this?

"If I was going to do a coup, but I was totally never going to do a coup"

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Paleocon wrote:

Do you have a source for this?

The horse's mouth.

OG_slinger wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

Do you have a source for this?

The horse's mouth.

Wow.

Everything he says makes me respect his supporters less(if possible. Apparently the bottom keeps going lower).

SallyNasty wrote:

Everything he says makes me respect his supporters less(if possible. Apparently the bottom keeps going lower).

Yup. Every single time I read whatever DJT spews, I laugh harder at the rubes that voted for him, and I feel more confident that I will never let one willingly into my house.

Trump's followers believe in him the way fundamentalist Christians believe in the Bible. Which is to say, they believe what they imagine or hear at third hand that it says, and seldom think to consult the primary source.