Star Wars Misc. Catch-All

Right. I hate racism. I’m somewhat ambivalent about the She-Ra reboot. I love the new album by The Go! Team. I’m ambivalent about the latest Counting Crows release. I hate Stephen King novels because he always uses child exploitation as a way to manipulate the emotions of his audience. I love Bad Batch.

To love loving things doesn’t mean you have to love everything. I’m not about to sh*t on Counting Crows fans or Stephen King fans, nor will I go out of my way to trash those artists.

I love that my daughter loves the She-Ra reboot. I love that my son is reading The Stand. I hope he enjoys it. I will speak out against racism every chance I get.

The internet doesn’t do nuance. But I do! And I will continue to do so.

RawkGWJ wrote:

All y’all haters need to learn how to “yes-and”! Learn how to love loving stuff. Your life will be so much happier!

Or maybe JJ Abrams should have learned how to "yes-and", rather than do everything he could to undo what was established in the second movie.

RawkGWJ wrote:

the She-Ra reboot.

Off topic but….there’s a She-Ra reboot? Is it good or is it like all the new Ninja Turtles and Ducktales stuff?

Keithustus wrote:

And don’t get me started on Solo. There two good additions to the universe from it being made: L3-37 being possibly the best droid ever, and seeing the very first inkling of the rebellion.

Rogue One and Rebels take care of both of those points better, respectively.

Keithustus wrote:
RawkGWJ wrote:

the She-Ra reboot.

Off topic but….there’s a She-Ra reboot? Is it good or is it like all the new Ninja Turtles and Ducktales stuff?

It's so good that they're making a He-man reboot to follow it.

Tscott wrote:
RawkGWJ wrote:

All y’all haters need to learn how to “yes-and”! Learn how to love loving stuff. Your life will be so much happier!

Or maybe JJ Abrams should have learned how to "yes-and", rather than do everything he could to undo what was established in the second movie.

Yeah or he could have had a trilogy outline like they lied and said they did before starting ep 7. When Rian asked where he needed to have the characters for ep 9 and got told to just do whatever, that was the problem. JJ and Kathleen f*cked it up from the start.

Thought Lawrence Kasdan was there to keep things on track but apparently ESB was his only real SW contribution.

Tscott wrote:
RawkGWJ wrote:

All y’all haters need to learn how to “yes-and”! Learn how to love loving stuff. Your life will be so much happier!

Or maybe JJ Abrams should have learned how to "yes-and", rather than do everything he could to undo what was established in the second movie.

Or maybe Rian Johnson could've learned to yes-and Episode 7. One thing is clear: at least one of the sequel trilogy directors needed to, and neither did.

Lucas famously compared Star Wars to jazz. If so, we've got a couple of musicians fighting over who's playing lead and who's playing backup, and the music suffers for it.

Stele wrote:
Keithustus wrote:

And don’t get me started on Solo. There two good additions to the universe from it being made: L3-37 being possibly the best droid ever, and seeing the very first inkling of the rebellion.

Rogue One and Rebels take care of both of those points better, respectively.

Oooooh…a droid off! Look, I love Rogue One. I can’t recall my precise rankings for all the films now but it’s either #2 or #3 for me all time. But as cool and fun as K-2SO is, it’s just Alan Tudyk being Alan Tudyk. We get that in Firefly, Con Man, and a million animated shows. L3 on the other hand is a more surprising ….and wholesome(?)…and less “droidy” character. She really stole the show for me, other than of course Donald Glover but that’s what he always does anyway.

As for Rebels, I may or may not ever get around to watching any more animated Star Wars content, as I’ve never recovered from trying to watch Clone Wars in release order. (I know, I know.)

I though Johnson did a good job of yes-anding what he was given by TFA. If one of them failed, it certainly wasn't him.

If it's jazz, JJ started with a decent tune, Rian joined in and made it a bit more complicated but still perfectly enjoyable, then JJ decided to change his tune entirely and play something deliberately discordant with the tune he and Rian had originally been playing. Meanwhile, large parts of the audience has moved on to watch the spectacular show Filoni and Favreau are playing off the main stage.

Regardless of how sh*t Solo was, I think we can all agree that we'd love a Lando movie starting Donald Glover.

Stengah wrote:

I though Johnson did a good job of yes-anding what he was given by TFA. If one of them failed, it certainly wasn't him.

I am probably a minority here in that I liked all the movies for what they were. They weren't perfect, but neither were the originals.

But "yes and" doesn't really fit Luke throwing his lightsaber away as soon as he's on screen That's pretty much the opposite of taking what the other guy did and running with it. That's literally throwing it away.

(And I actually liked that scene.)

Then Abrams threw away a lot of the stuff he was given, too.

Solo was fine, it's that they released so close to another Star Wars movie and decided not to do much to promote it leading up to release was what drove me nuts.

MannishBoy wrote:

But "yes and" doesn't really fit Luke throwing his lightsaber away as soon as he's on screen

Rey running to the legendary Luke Skywalker and wanting him to train her, and finding him in no mood to train anyone would be like...

hmmm, let me think of an example...

It'd be like if Luke in the Empire Strikes Back flew to a distant planet to find a great Jedi master and finds this "great master" to be a little annoying green alien that he dismisses completely so they don't want to train Luke.

Or like Qui Gon and Obi Wan finding a young boy powerful in the force but the Jedi Console reluctant to train them because of deep rooted anger within the boy.

Or Kanan Jarrus finding a tough kid named Ezra Bridger living as a thief on the streets and wanting to get rid of him ASAP rather than train him.

Jedi Masters reluctant to train people powerful in the force is a long running trope in the Star Wars universe. Luke taking that role in The Last Jedi made perfect sense to me.

MannishBoy wrote:
Stengah wrote:

I though Johnson did a good job of yes-anding what he was given by TFA. If one of them failed, it certainly wasn't him.

I am probably a minority here in that I liked all the movies for what they were. They weren't perfect, but neither were the originals.

But "yes and" doesn't really fit Luke throwing his lightsaber away as soon as he's on screen That's pretty much the opposite of taking what the other guy did and running with it. That's literally throwing it away.

(And I actually liked that scene.)

Then Abrams threw away a lot of the stuff he was given, too.

I primarily meant the new characters and status of the galaxy he was given, but on that subject I think what Rian did with Luke was great at running with what JJ established for Luke. Luke in TFA was in a self-imposed exile, hiding from the galaxy after losing Ben to the dark side and the corruption or death of his other apprentices, so him tossing the lightsaber does fit. It was JJ that decided that he wasn't training students anymore, not Rian.

Edit-
I liked TFA, and really liked TLJ. I might like ROS better if there were an extra movie before it to at least attempt to set things up, but it lost me when it brought back Palpetine in the opening credits and did almost nothing to redeem itself story-wise. I did like the general path of redemption Rey and Ben took, but the details of that path were atrocious (Palpatine clones and all that).

What I find fascinating since Episode 9 came out is how no one talks anymore about how bad the prequels are - and even find excuses to say they're not that bad.

Yes, yes they are.

I think maybe Clone Wars, Bad Batch, and Rebels have served to make people forget just how bad those movies were? Because they were really bad.

The prequels are only redeemed by the memes they've provided. The movies themselves are only "not that bad" when compared to the sequel trilogy.
Clone Wars has definitely influenced people's perceptions though. For those that have seen it, they tend to remember the personality of the Anakin and Obi-Wan they saw in Clone Wars, not the ones from the movies themselves.

RawkGWJ wrote:

To love loving things doesn’t mean you have to love everything. I’m not about to sh*t on Counting Crows fans or Stephen King fans, nor will I go out of my way to trash those artists.

Wait, so saying that I dislike a movie and am looking forward to the possibility that they redo it is dumping on fans of the movie? Sorry, I will refrain from having an opinion moving forward since only people that love things are entitled to it.

My personal take (possibly previously shared here) is that Rian Johnson managed the impressive feat of somehow simultaneously making the best (Ben and Rey’s storyline) and the worst (the rest of it) Star Wars movie with The Last Jedi. And yes, TFA was just Disney exercising their cash-grabbin’ claws on an extremely risk-averse re-entry into the universe. Oh, and Rogue One is the actual best full-length Star Wars movie

What if we go 500 years in the future...

We know that technology doesn't advance quickly from The Old Republic era, so we can have similar tech
We can be far enough away from all the movies to tell an original story

And best of all...

Someone has been studying Sith Hologrons.

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Jenny Nicholson is always right.

DC Malleus wrote:

My personal take (possibly previously shared here) is that Rian Johnson managed the impressive feat of somehow simultaneously making the best (Ben and Rey’s storyline) and the worst (the rest of it) Star Wars movie with The Last Jedi. And yes, TFA was just Disney exercising their cash-grabbin’ claws on an extremely risk-averse re-entry into the universe. Oh, and Rogue One is the actual best full-length Star Wars movie :)

Well, two out of three ain't bad.

I think the thing that gets lost on a bunch of us olds is that, for many people, the Prequels including the Filoni cartoons, are Star Wars.

Rex, Obiwan, and Ashoka are their heroes, not Luke, Leia, and Han. If they retconned the Sequel trilogy using stuff from the cartoons, it would make perfect sense to that fandom. If you know who Ashoka is, you probably know what the World Between Worlds is and why timey-wimey comes in to play.

And what is Disney's motivations to not do a reboot? It certainly isn't money.

Reaper81 wrote:

Rex, …are their heroes, not Luke, Leia, and Han.

Oh ya, I know Rex:
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Reaper81 wrote:

Rex, Obiwan, and Ashoka are their heroes, not Luke, Leia, and Han.

Fives or die!

I grew up memorizing the OT as they were literally half our video library for a few years in the 80s.... Obiwan, Ahsoka, Maul, and Rex are my Star Wars... Mando is a pretty strong contender for the list as well.

Mando spoilers

Spoiler:

Although Luke kicking ass in the end of Mando S2 brought all the feels.

Mixolyde wrote:
Reaper81 wrote:

Rex, Obiwan, and Ashoka are their heroes, not Luke, Leia, and Han.

Fives or die!

Ahem… Echo

But also, I’m an old and Rex, Obiwan, Ashoka, Luke, Leia, and Han are all my favorites. I would add many more to that list as well. What about all of the wonderful anti-heroes and villains? I love those a-holes too.

Mixolyde wrote:

Jenny Nicholson is always right.

I only had time to listen to a few minutes of that. Maybe I’ll listen to more while I’m working. But my response to her first two points are, “It’s called science fiction. It’s supposed to be fantastical. Cloning has been a Star Wars trope since the very beginning. The mysterious ultimate Sith Lord has been returning from the dead since the beginning. Look up Darth Plaugus.”

Star Wars is more space fantasy then science fiction, though that helps your argument about it being fantastical. I think the problem she has with the clones was more that it was hand wavy type story telling. Instead of developing a story that brings you there, it starts with, oh by the way...

I don’t know, bro. It’s just another nit-picking video by a person with a small yet not-insignificant platform on the internet. This tactic can be used to take down any story, movie, tv show, book etc. I stopped listening at about ten minutes in. At one point she explains that the way the characters walked out of their space ships really bothered her. If that’s what you’re fixated on while watching a movie, I can guarantee you won’t like the movie. She thinks it’s stupid that Finn met another former storm trooper who deserted for the same reasons. What’s hard to believe about that? That seems like the type of thing that would happen repeatedly. There’s probably about 1,000 support groups for traumatized deserters of the empire.

She takes an hour to say she didn’t enjoy the movie. That’s your TLDR for that video. She didn’t enjoy it.

Bad Batch was interesting. Looks like I was off on what time period the show was in which I really shouldn't have been.

Spoiler:

Didn't expect to see Hera and Chopper. We get a prequel to Rebels. And the bad batch is only in it for a few minutes.

Imagine getting up to use the bathroom in the three minutes the Bad Batch actually appeared.