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Wow HOX/POX is absolutely fantastic. I devoured the whole thing across two days taking up all my free time. Should I be going straight on with Dawn of x and does it keep the quality up?

Glad you liked it! IMO nearly all of Dawn of X is good and a lot is great. The core X-Men book is best, Marauders and X-Force are also great, and so is Hellions tho it started several months later. The Hickman New Mutants issues are excellent but the Brisson ones are eh. YMMV with Excalibur and later X-Factor...both of those I don't like as much as I hoped I would tho I know others love those books. The only outright stinker of the bunch is Fallen Angels, which I'd just say to skip... I'm not sure what that book was supposed to be but it missed the mark. If you have Marvel Unlimited they've got all this stuff I think through the X of Swords crossover, which was good if maybe a touch bloated for my taste.

Talking about X-Men, I just finished reading the Jim Lee's X-Men Artist's Edition, and it was incredible. The Lee era has always been my favorite X-Men era, and it's been decades since I've read those issues. Seeing some of the pages and covers here in black and white brought back memories, and made me fall in love with Jim Lee, the X-Men, and superhero comics all over again. Lee was my favorite artist for a long time, and while I followed all his WildStorm stuff, I kind of fell off the wagon when he sold the company to DC and started drawing DC books (I did read Hush, but that was about it). But man, this book made me rediscover his greatness... and now I have a bunch of DC books coming in the mail.

In any case, I had never seen an Artist's Edition in person, and I bought this one sight unseen because it was Lee's X-Men, and even though it was expensive, it was worth every penny. The pages are 11x17, like the original art boards, and they are glorious --you can see everything that went into creating each page! The pages themselves come from a variety of issues Lee drew and no issue is complete... except for the awesome, the amazing, the legendary X-Men #1, which is collected here in all its glory... including the unforgettable foldout cover. It is so beautiful I almost cried!

Anyway, if you are a fan of Jim Lee or early-to-mid-90s X-Men, and if you have some disposable income, you must get this book. It might just be my favorite book I own. So, so worth it.

Oh man, I'm so jealous, Mario. The Lee/Claremont X-Men #1 was my first comic, so I have been eyeing that artist's edition for sure. I've never owned an artist's edition before, though I have a big collection of the Marvel Omnibus series. Given the cost, I feel I should wait until a birthday or Christmas and have my wife get it for me as a gift, but given the print run on these things, maybe it'll be out of print by then and hundreds of dollars more. Decisions!

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Glad you liked it! IMO nearly all of Dawn of X is good and a lot is great. The core X-Men book is best, Marauders and X-Force are also great, and so is Hellions tho it started several months later. The Hickman New Mutants issues are excellent but the Brisson ones are eh. YMMV with Excalibur and later X-Factor...both of those I don't like as much as I hoped I would tho I know others love those books. The only outright stinker of the bunch is Fallen Angels, which I'd just say to skip... I'm not sure what that book was supposed to be but it missed the mark. If you have Marvel Unlimited they've got all this stuff I think through the X of Swords crossover, which was good if maybe a touch bloated for my taste.

Thank You, I have put the first trade of Dawn on order at my local comic book shop. Its interesting you mention Marvel unlimited, I am now digital only on all my media apart from comics, the idea of not having the pictures on paper just does not appeal but i have browsed comixology and the prices and selections available do seem good. How does everyone get on with digital comics? I dont have a tablet just a laptop and my phone so would it work? They seem built for tablets, I guess i could get a cheap tablet just for comics if it is a good way forward.

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Glad you liked it! IMO nearly all of Dawn of X is good and a lot is great. The core X-Men book is best, Marauders and X-Force are also great, and so is Hellions tho it started several months later. The Hickman New Mutants issues are excellent but the Brisson ones are eh. YMMV with Excalibur and later X-Factor...both of those I don't like as much as I hoped I would tho I know others love those books. The only outright stinker of the bunch is Fallen Angels, which I'd just say to skip... I'm not sure what that book was supposed to be but it missed the mark. If you have Marvel Unlimited they've got all this stuff I think through the X of Swords crossover, which was good if maybe a touch bloated for my taste.

Thank You, I have put the first trade of Dawn on order at my local comic book shop. Its interesting you mention Marvel unlimited, I am now digital only on all my media apart from comics, the idea of not having the pictures on paper just does not appeal but i have browsed comixology and the prices and selections available do seem good. How does everyone get on with digital comics? I dont have a tablet just a laptop and my phone so would it work? They seem built for tablets, I guess i could get a cheap tablet just for comics if it is a good way forward.

Don't forget using your library, Libby and Hoopla! Try reading digital comics from there and you can figure out if you need a tablet.

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Oh man, I'm so jealous, Mario. The Lee/Claremont X-Men #1 was my first comic, so I have been eyeing that artist's edition for sure. I've never owned an artist's edition before, though I have a big collection of the Marvel Omnibus series. Given the cost, I feel I should wait until a birthday or Christmas and have my wife get it for me as a gift, but given the print run on these things, maybe it'll be out of print by then and hundreds of dollars more. Decisions!

I totally understand. This is the kind of thing I never buy for myself, because it's way too expensive and I can't justify it --I just put it on my wishlist and hope someone will get it for me. As a matter of fact, this is the most expensive gift I've bought for myself in years... but it was Jim Lee's X-Men!

The Lee/Claremont X-Men was not the first mutant series I read, but it was the first one I collected, starting with the bestselling issue 1, so it has a special place in my heart as well. Also, X-Men #9 (the one with Ghost Rider) was the first comic I bought in English (back then I read/collected the Spanish editions of the books), and it also has special meaning for me, so imagine how madly I was grinning when I got to those pages in the Artist's Edition. I wish there had been more pages of both issues 8 (Bishop meets Gambit and Belladonna appears) and 9, but boy did the collected pages bring back memories. Also, the covers of issues 4 (I wanted more pages of the basketball game!) and 11 are included, and those are two of my absolute favorites, especially #11 --so iconic! And have I mentioned the book also includes several of the trading cards from the X-Men collection Lee drew single-handedly? I'm telling you --this book is a treasure!

The waiting list on Libby for comics that I’m interested in is out of control. I’ve kind of given up on that and just buy physical copies. Plus I can pass physical copies to friends if I want. Always fun to share.

bbk, you can use Marvel Unlimited on a phone or computer, but you're right, it's best suited for a tablet. I love my cheapo Amazon tablet, the 10" one that I got for the deal price they have around black friday and prime day and any other time they're doing big sales--I think as cheap as $100, maybe $110. It is a little annoying because they don't have an Amazon App Store version of the MU app, so you have to sideload it, which works fine, but every time you run it you have to click through a "this device not supported" message. But hard to beat that price.

And God, yes, Mario, the basketball scene, the Gambit/Ghost Rider/Belladonna/Rogue and the pie thing...so many pages in that relatively brief run that are just seared on my brain. I haven't actually read a ton of Lee's earlier issues in Uncanny, but the 11 issues of volume 2 were so huge for me. We'll see if I can resist the urge to buy it. I did discover that for other Artist's Editions they seem to have subsequently produced "Artisan Editions" which look like they might just be paperback and slightly more normally sized versions of the Artist's Editions that are only about $30? The size is a big part of the appeal, but it would be nice to know there may be a less expensive alternative especially if the big one sells out before I do decide to buy it...

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And God, yes, Mario, the basketball scene, the Gambit/Ghost Rider/Belladonna/Rogue and the pie thing...so many pages in that relatively brief run that are just seared on my brain. I haven't actually read a ton of Lee's earlier issues in Uncanny, but the 11 issues of volume 2 were so huge for me. We'll see if I can resist the urge to buy it. I did discover that for other Artist's Editions they seem to have subsequently produced "Artisan Editions" which look like they might just be paperback and slightly more normally sized versions of the Artist's Editions that are only about $30? The size is a big part of the appeal, but it would be nice to know there may be a less expensive alternative especially if the big one sells out before I do decide to buy it...

Agreed --those 11 issues were epic, and out of all the Marvel books I've read in the past four decades, that run is without a doubt the one that left an indelible impression and gets me excited just by thinking about it. His Uncanny issues were great, but X-Men 1-11 is just pure magic, man.

Also, I didn't know about the Artisan Editions, but that's something to keep in mind for sure!

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But Family Tree doesn't have the moments of fun and wonder that Locke & Key uses to balance out the darkness, it's pretty much all grim and sad and scary. I don't think I'll be following this series any further.

I have repeatedly bounced off Locke & Key very hard. It does absolutely nothing for me, while Lemire, even in a series of indifferent quality, is always worth reading. But I'm definitely the minority on L&K. I thought maybe the audiobook would help, but I don't even want to re-enter that world.

Same for me with Locke and Key.

Me as well. Just absolutely no interest in any of it, and I really did give it a good go.

Re: Hellboy I recently started reading it for the first time and agreed that overall it's a bit fluffy without all that much substance. But there are standout stories like The Wolves of St. August which is just pure awesome panel after panel.

If anyone is thinking of getting a Marvel Unlimited sub there's a code to pay $60 for a year:
MUSAVE60

After rediscovering Jim Lee, I’ve been getting some of his DC stuff I had never read, and I’ve been having a great time. First, I read Justice League Unwrapped, written by Geoff Johns and illustrated by Lee. The “unwrapped” edition is the only-pencils version of the book, so you can really see Lee’s pencil work along with the text and sound effects. I thought the book was fun, but I admit it didn’t blow me away, both because I thought the story was just okay and because Lee really relied on Scott Williams to finish his pencils with inks, which can’t be seen here. Having read the unwrapped version of Lee’s run on Suicide Squad, I think his pencils in JLA seem more rough and unfinished than what I saw in Suicide Squad, but the pages are still very dynamic and full of energy. It just wasn’t as great as I thought it was going to be, but it was still a great time.

With my expectations lowered a little bit, I read Superman Unchained, written by Scott Snyder and drawn again by Jim Lee. There doesn’t seem to be an “unwrapped” version of this book, so I got the deluxe hardcover with inks by Scott Williams and colors by Alex Sinclair, and I also had a lot of fun reading it. Once again, I did not think it was great, but I found the story entertaining enough and the artwork was great. Also, I know some people don’t care for Sinclair’s colors, but I think that’s exactly what superhero book should look like, and I loved every page.

Since I am apparently a DC boy now, I also read the first volume of Starfire after I saw Jimmy Palmiotti tweet about it. It is written by Palmiotti and Amanda Conner, and it is illustrated by Emanuela Lupacchino with colors by Hi-Fi, and I have to say I had an absolute blast with it. It is cute, charming, funny, and an overall pleasant read, and I enjoyed it from beginning to end. For those of you who don’t know anything about the book, Starfire decides to be “normal” and moves to Key West because she thinks she will fit in there rather nicely… but she’s orange! And her hair is aflame! And she flies! So living a normal life might be a bit trickier than she thought it would be.
Not only did I enjoy the story, but I thought Lupacchino’s artwork was as playful and fun as the story itself, and I loved the vibrant colors by Hi-Fi. (I’m starting to see a pattern here, both with Sinclair’s colors and now Hi-Fi’s —I’m a sucker for bright, punchy colors.) There is a second and last volume, and you can be sure I will be reading it soon!

To keep things interesting, I’ve also read some non-DC books. One of them was the sixth volume of Lady Mechanika, the steampunk series created by Marcia Chen and Joe Benitez. I love this series, and in this adventure Lady Mechanika goes to Spain (my native country) of all places! The story by Chen and Benitez was fun and entertaining as usual, but this volume is the first one not to be drawn by Benitez and Marcos Montiel, and while I really enjoyed Brian Ching’s illustrations (I mean, he’s very good), I didn’t know this volume was not drawn by Benitez, so it was a bit of a disappointment. Benitez and Montiel do draw the prologue story, but everything else is drawn by Ching who, again, is an excellent artist, but I prefer Benitez. In any case, I love Lady Mechanika, and if you have never read it but like steampunk/detective/superhero books, you should definitely check it out.

Finally, I read the Windblade miniseries written by Mairghread Scott and illustrated by Sarah Stone, and even though I love Transformers and I thoroughly enjoyed having Windblade in my squad when I played Transformers: Battlegrounds earlier this year, I thought this book was… just okay. The story was okay, the art was okay, and overall… it was okay. I hadn’t been missing much, and I will quickly forget it.

I’ve also been reading some manga, but I posted that in the manga thread. (If you don’t want to go all the way there, just know that 20th Century Boys by Naoki Urasawa is amazing.)

Finished Giant Days.

Is good.

Mario, as a fellow fan of Jim Lee's 90's X-Men stuff, I agree about all his recent DC stuff. Both his Justice League with Geoff Johns and the Superman story he did with Scott Snyder were...fine. Recognizably him, for sure, but just didn't do much for me. I'm not sure if it's just that he hasn't evolved from where he was in the 90's but if I'd seen this in the 90's I would've loved it, or if his more recent work actually isn't up to the standard of his 90's X-Men and WildCATs work. Add to that the fact that any time he's on a book these days you know there's basically no chance he'll do more than 4 or 5 issues in a row and on-schedule, I no longer am moved to follow his work. I'm not sure what the problem is. To take two contemporaries of his, Andy and Adam Kubert both continue to put out good work that feels modern yet recognizable...I assume their output isn't 12 issues a month, but I've seen both of them do 6-12 issue runs that seemed timely and very high quality.

Also, the first volume of 20th Century Boys is the only volume of a manga that I own and it is looking at me from where it's been on my bookshelf for...at least 8 or 9 years? On your recommendation maybe I'll finally actually read it!

I recently read the last trade of Paper Girls. I liked this series okay but honestly had a hard time following the plot and did not remember much of it reading this final volume. Brian K. Vaughn is one of the great writers of the last couple of decades, but there is Y the Last Man and Saga and then there's everything else. This is part of everything else. Not bad, and I'm curious to see the tv adaptation that I think is forthcoming, but this never really came together for me. Gorgeous art and colors though.

Funny you feel the same way, mrlogical. Leaving aside the fact that yes, he will only do a few issues on any given series, which is a shame, why do you think we feel this way? I have many things to say on this subject, so get ready for a few paragraphs of my rambling thoughts.

First of all, I think maybe it is us --we have grown used to his style and it doesn't blow us away the way it used to. Also, maybe we were more impressionable when we were younger (there's no maybe --we were more impressionable, haha), and the memories and feelings we have associated with his X-Men issues (and yes, WildCATs, and even Divine Right) simply can't be surpassed by anything we might read as adults. I do think all of this is true, but I also think his style has become a little more geometric and simplified as time has gone by. While it seems crazy to say his JLA, Superman, or Suicide Squad issues are not as detailed as his work on X-Men because there is a crazy amount of detail everywhere, well... I don't think it is as detailed. I think he relies on light and shadow (and more shadow, and then some more) a lot more than he used to, and while that can add a depth and volume to his figures that wasn't there before (and help him draw faster for sure), to me it doesn't pack the same punch. Also, I think the characters don't pack the same punch, and this is a completely personal and subjective matter, no question about it. However, to me Wolverine and Psylocke fighting ninjas will always be more dynamic and impactful than Batman on a gargoyle or Superman flying around... or fighting ninjas if he finds himself in that situation. And sure, a Batman story requires more shadows than a Gambit tale, but maybe that's why I like Gambit more than Batman. (Also, books like WildCATS or Divine Right were pure fun and way less serious and solemn than his DC stuff, I think.)

All that said, yes, I still love his page layouts, his action scenes, and the way he draws anatomy in a wide array of dynamic positions... but it's not the same it used to be. His X-Men pages I revisited a few weeks ago blew me away, while his Superman and JLA pages were... very good. (And now that I've mocked Batman let me tell you that I have the hardcovers of Hush Unwrapped and Court of Owls Unwrapped on my shelf waiting to be read, haha.)

I remember Lee saying in some interview a few years ago that he felt sort of trapped in his style because it had become so recognizable that fans expected a Jim Lee book to look a certain way, and he felt like he could not evolve or try different things like he did in Deathblow, and it made me feel bad for him, which brings me to my next point. While Scott Williams is absurdly talented and the perfect inker for Lee, the illustrations Lee has been doing over the past year to raise money for comic book stores during the pandemic that he drew and inked himself are, in my opinion, way more interesting and exciting than when Williams inks him. Maybe it's because I've grown used to the standard "Lee/Williams look," but every time I see one of those pieces I can't help but think about the interview I quoted at the beginning of this paragraph: the drawing is clearly a Jim Lee drawing, but he's trying different things and pushing his style a little bit, and maybe that's why the illustrations seem more exciting.

Also, I've been watching some of his art streams recently (I told you I've gone "full Lee"), and he's been talking about the issues with his drawing hand and how he's had to do some more simplified covers lately. Of course, that doesn't affect the books we've been discussing because his injury is much more recent, but it's something to keep in mind. And now that I think about it, and going back to your comment about run lengths, in his latest stream (in which he draws Godzilla) he talks about how he thinks he has "one long run left in him for sure" (maybe 12 issues), possibly two, and ideally three, but that might be pushing it, which I found to be very interesting.

Anyway, enough with the Lee talk. Moving on to Paper Girls, I read the first three volumes a while back and enjoyed them very much, but I never finished the series. I think I'm only missing one or two more books, right? I should go back and read them. I never read Y The Last Man, so I can't compare it, but Saga is nothing short of spectacular, and I definitely like it better than Paper Girls. Like you, I am curious to see the Paper Girls TV adaptation, which reminds me --aren't they working on the Y The Last Man show as well?

Finally, I do hope you read 20th Century Boys, especially since you already own the first volume. I find the series endlessly compelling. If you read it, please let me know what you think!

Yeah, it's hard to say what's different about the effect of his art now. I agree some of it is just the characters--I do like Batman and the Justice League, but seeing Lee draw those characters is never going to hit as hard with me as seeing him draw the X characters. It's hard for me to separate from my view of his art what I know of him outside of that, that he has all these other responsibilities at DC, that he just doesn't really do monthly books anymore (at least not without a huge lead time and even then never more than like 6 issues in a row)... I think it makes me discount the value of his work, even if it still looks pretty good. Fair or not, I just get the sense Lee is not really into drawing monthly comics anymore and that on rare occasions when he does, he puts his full effort into it but it just doesn't have the same passion his old stuff did. But maybe it's also just how much he was *the* artist who got me into comics and so it is especially impossible I could ever feel as strongly about new stuff he does. Like I mentioned, I read and enjoyed Andy Kubert's 90s X-Men and he's a guy who I think is still putting out fantastic work that stands up to anything else being released today (look at that Superman book he did with Tom King, it's beautiful). Has Kubert worked harder, stayed more dedicated or focused than Lee? Or was he just always someone I thought was very good but not one of my favorites, and so it's easier for me to say yeah, that's still what he is 25 years later? I have seen some of the sketches he posts on Instagram and twitter and agree his un-inked stuff often seems a little more adventurous and different, and maybe working without an inker or with a different inker (good as Williams is at his thing) might shake things up in a positive way?

There are six total volumes of Paper Girls. I bet it's read much better close together rather than the way I read it, huge gaps in between. It was good but between time travel and various future and past versions of characters, it was really hard to keep track of. Y the Last Man is the book that got me back into comics in 2008. Scandalously, I pirated the whole series, because I was thinking I didn't *really* want to start reading comics again, but if I just downloaded it I'd take a look. 60 issues later over like 3 nights of reading and I have now paid a lot of money to the comics industry in the following 13 years (including the deluxe hardcovers of Y) so I think I've paid my penance. But I haven't re-read it since, I really should. Yeah there is a Hulu adaptation coming soon (probably like the 7th film/tv project that's been announced but this seems like it will actually happen), I think it will finally get me to subscribe to Hulu.

Will post here when I get around to 20th century boys...I started it years and years ago but hit the road bump of trying to get my brain to understand reading backwards. I'll try to get past that hurdle some day!

I totally get where you're coming from, and it makes sense. It's true that ever since the business side of comics took so much of his time, Lee's occasional forays into drawing comics have not felt the same. As for the Kuberts, I always thought they were fine but never really loved either one of them. I did prefer Adam on Wolverine over Andy on X-Men, but then again Andy had the impossible task of following Jim Lee, and maybe that's why I could never manage to love his work, solid as it was. Also, I don't think I've read anything by either one of them after their runs on the mutant books, but the illustrations I've seen here and there seem at least as good as their work from the 90s, I agree.

If I go back to Paper Girls to finish the series, I will definitely re-read the first three volumes, because otherwise I'd be lost. I do the same with Saga every time a new volume comes out, or perhaps I should say I used to do that with Saga when the book was being published. This hiatus they went on has lasted way longer than anyone thought it would. I hope it comes back soon...

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I do the same with Saga every time a new volume comes out, or perhaps I should say I used to do that with Saga when the book was being published. This hiatus they went on has lasted way longer than anyone thought it would. I hope it comes back soon...

I'm sure I've said this before but Saga was accruing a very Netflix series "let's tap-dance as long as we can" vibe, so I'm not surprised at all that it's on "hiatus." Like the next Game of Thrones book is on hiatus. I'm sure they've got more interesting projects lined up, and they simply ran out of material for Saga.

Hey mrlogical,
Random question and of course feel free not to answer, but is your comic shop Earth Prime?
I used to love the hell out of that place.

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Hey mrlogical,
Random question and of course feel free not to answer, but is your comic shop Earth Prime?
I used to love the hell out of that place.

When I go to a comics shop, it is Earth Prime, though mostly I just go there when I get a haircut every 8 weeks or so, which is the one thing I consistently travel to Burlington for (contrary to my profile, I live in Essex, so it's about a 30 minute drive into Burlington that I don't otherwise have reason to do all that often). I order my books every month online via DCBS because the discounts are great and I really don't need to receive my comics any more frequently than once a month. Earth Prime is a nice space and they're perfectly friendly, but I've always been a little surprised they don't seem to try harder? Like, I assume they have pull lists, but in the 6 years I've been in the shop sporadically they never have offered one to me or had any kind of signage in-store promoting it. And when the pandemic hit and I was looking for ways to support local businesses that I like, I tried to find info about what they were doing but they were radio silent, no website or Facebook page (there's a page for the business but it's one of those that are generated like from yellow pages listings or whatever, no posts from the store), I even called the phone number they have listed and found it was a wrong number. On the handful of occasions over the years when I've popped in the store with a hopes of buying a specific book, they always seem to be sold out. I like the idea of supporting a local comics shop but I need a little more hustle for them to get my business when otherwise DCBS is selling me new comics at 40-50% off. What'd you love about it? Maybe there are hidden benefits to the store that I have missed by only popping my head in there for 10-15 minutes every other month.

I am ten years late to this particular party, but listen, guys --Scott Snyder & Greg Capullo's Court of Owls is really good! I just finished reading the hardcover The Court of Owls Unwrapped, which collects Batman issues 1-11, and boy oh boy did I enjoy it! Even though I am not a huge Batman fan, I thought the story was very interesting, and Capullo's artwork was phenomenal, so if you haven't read it, I absolutely recommend it.

I decided to finally catch up the X-Men a bit and fired up Marvel Unlimited for the first time in a while; I tend to binge-read, then take a break, so I figure I still get my money's worth. I gave up on the X-Men years ago because I got tired of all the constant rehashing and awful world stuff, but, have to say, Dawn of X/House of X were both really good and very interesting, and it led me into a few more series. X-Men (pretty enjoyable), Marauders (LOVED it, and pirate queen Kitty, er, Kate is the best she's ever been), and X-Force (gave up, I don't care about this mix of characters or the art).

I also just skipped everything marked "Sword of X" because I could not care less about otherworld sword fights and blah blah blah. Think I'll try New Mutants or Excalibur next.

Excalibur is basically the run-up to Swords of X

it's.. not good.

I really enjoyed Dawn/House but the follow-ups where mostly meh (Marauders is the clear standout).

Ah, yeah, Saturnyne is Excalibur and appears to be the driver of that Swords event, so I'll skip it. I did read an issue of New Mutants for the heck of it, and, well, that appears to have the sense of fun I'm looking for. I don't need any interdimensional garbage fires ruining my reading order, so no Excalibur for me.

I read the collection of post-HoX/PoX first issues, and Marauders was my favorite, but I thought all the others were fine too, including the much-maligned Fallen Angels. That said, I didn't continue with any of them. That said, David Baldeón's X-Factor (which I think is ending soon) looks pretty cool. Has anyone read it?

Funny I just finished HoX PoX. I don’t really read new DC or Marvel anymore. But I have a lot of history with the X-men. It was interesting. Likelihood of me continuing long term with the Dawn of X books is probably low though.

The Immortal Hulk 2018 is excellent. Have very much enjoyed the continuing run. Much darker than some of the other recent Hulk runs.

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The Immortal Hulk 2018 is excellent. Have very much enjoyed the continuing run. Much darker than some of the other recent Hulk runs.

It really is spectacular.

Immortal Hulk? He wasn't immortal before?