LOGistICAL - Sublime Logistical Strategy Puzzling

No one's accusing anyone of a conspiracy, it's just confusing is all. If he called it Logistical 4 it might make more sense.

Oh, it's a giant conspiracy that ends with Vicky 3 being announced.

A man named Robear is pulling the strings behind the curtain. The truth will be made known soon enough!

So on the discord one of the mods said they're moving back to modules to prevent people from "burning out on this massive module called Earth".

Yeah, no conspiracy... a developer is entitled to make money just like the rest of us. It really is just confusing.

The Store Page for World literally says "Logistical 3: World" if you read through the descriptions, so to have "Logistical 3" as a new release a year later is an odd choice, thus my Dovetail analogy.

Well, someone *did* use the term "money grab", so I thought I'd chip in with my experiences.

I can see Earth might burn some people out. Let the weak fall by the wayside, I *will* prevail! Soon, I will ship Lights from Las Vegas, and the world will tremble at my prowess!! Mu-wah-hah-hah!!1!!

I can't see how you'd want to go back to modules after having the whole shebang in Earth.

Primarily, it feels more cohesive to leapfrog goods from initial locations over to new countries. Feels more immersive as a lot of goods are region-authentic and make sense as a global commodity. Plus it just makes the whole platform feel epic in scope.

Secondarily, I'm not personally very interested in buying individual modules piecemeal. L3: Earth was billed as Having It All (tm.) with all future updates being free. Why would I want to go back to disjointed for-pay maps that aren't connected to anything else? It also calls into question the dev's commitment to finishing all the territories in Earth now that there's a new release to focus on. (Though they may have finished it already, I'm unsure on that.)

I respect that the dev needs to make money, but this move feels a bit regressive to me. And that's okay, I'm not suggesting they need to cater to my whims. Just my read on it without throwing shade their way.

Makes me wish they came up with a new, fresh idea for a project instead of doubling back on a DLC treadmill that felt fixed in L3: Earth.

Either way, I still have L3: Earth and it's still my GOTY 2020. So I'm set regardless.

Yeah, to me this also feels like a step back. I'll buy it, of course, but I'm conflicted on it.

Folks on the Discord are saying:

"It may make the game more approachable to new players. The game can be a bit intimidating to new players in my opinion. But once you get comfortable with it, it's amazing."

"Earth is fantastic, but some of us do miss the old smaller modules too"

When I asked whether the older modules will work with this new L3:

"The old modules will still be run from their old launchers"

Yeah this isn't confusing at all.

My understanding is that the last territories for Earth have been finished. I do know that all the goods have been incorporated.

garion333 wrote:

Oh, it's a giant conspiracy that ends with Vicky 3 being announced.

A man named Robear is pulling the strings behind the curtain. The truth will be made known soon enough!

Umm...

https://store.steampowered.com/app/5...

Seriously? ....I mean, of course, now you know my nefarious plan...

Robear wrote:

My understanding is that the last territories for Earth have been finished. I do know that all the goods have been incorporated.

Good deal.

Curious how the updated game engine for the new title pans out.

Veloxi wrote:
garion333 wrote:

Oh, it's a giant conspiracy that ends with Vicky 3 being announced.

A man named Robear is pulling the strings behind the curtain. The truth will be made known soon enough!

Umm...

https://store.steampowered.com/app/5...

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Finally remembered to check to see if I could do Liechtenstein, and found I could! And that led to many good things. Nearly at 5000 towns complete, $250M in the bank for businesses, vehicles and train stations.

https://steamcommunity.com/games/672...

LOGistICAL: Universe
LOGistICAL to the next level.
Though this may sound daunting, the detail of the Earth is much more complex than our knowledge of the rest of the universe.

You would start on Earth and then venture out to moons, planets, asteroids, other solar systems and eventually other galaxies.

YUSSSSS

Finally got Lighting and finished the Port of Los Angeles. I’m so stunned I don’t know what to do next lol. Huge goal met for me.

I'm at 5005 towns complete.

Logistical 3: Kansas is now out. The first of the smaller modules built with the L3 engine, it could be a good way to feel out the improvements in the system if you have not tried Earth yet, or been too daunted by the size.

Over 5500 towns done, NZ almost complete. Currently feeding the national airports in the US and France to pile up cash in the bank. Eyeing the 15,000 businesses task in Germany, too, but I don't have Multi-delivery devices yet. (That might be how to get them, too... Gotta check).

Anyway, hope everyone is having fun with it.

I bought Kansas of course, just haven't dived in yet.

You get something like one multinav for every country you fully complete. I think. I have one from finishing Martinique. Annoyingly, you can't have the one with a multinav steer a batch of other vehicles without, so you have to keep manually telling the one to go back and reload all the time.

Yeah, I thought I had Martinique done but I had left out two businesses that needed coffee. So now I have the one. I think I may do a few more islands, see if I can get some more.

I was working completing NZ and found that I was one town short. I searched and searched for it, but could not find it. Wyatt, on the Discord, pointed out the stats pages to me. You can click on the center-left score panel at the top of the map and that will open up a page of regions. Drilling down into each one lets you access the completion and other data for each location in a country in that region.

You can sort by column, so towns can be popped to the top by sorting by descending population. They will have over 5000 citizens, I think. I was quickly able to find the one I had missed (Gisborne lol). I figured out that I had built the port storage for the needed good, but then forgotten to follow through.

Anyway, those stats tables are awesome.

Spent the weekend working on NZ (I have a few hundred businesses left to complete), messing around in Chile and the US and France and Spain, and loading up airport goods in France and the US. Got back up over $300M, which is helpful because I’m a phase of building lots of factors to fulfill needs in newly opened areas. Trains too. Expanded my 200t fleet to 10 ships so it’s easier to do small docks by parallelizing the work, but the 4000t are really coming into their own. I might invest in a 10Kt - I’m getting to the point where I want that many goods shipped in one go.

Every time I think I’ve fallen into a rut in the game, it opens up some new subtlety that changes my approach.

Kansas is an awful lot of small roads. I can see I’m going to be upgrading them. But it’s a nice change from Earth. (BTW, your total for the name color on Discord is the total of all the towns you’ve done in all the games, I think.)

Well, I’ve been off and on the last few months, but I’ve managed to push past what seems to be a tipping point. I was able to find some new resources, which opened up some areas I had needed to get into and also helped me finish some other areas. And that led to China, which opened up a resource that let me get another one that let me get one that will open Mexico and finally allow me to connect into the United States! Which I’ve almost done the contracts for, and now I can actually open some East Coast cities. And in the process I crossed 6000 town count.

At this point, the 4K ships are my mainstays for port-to-port transfers, with the 200s for islands and small areas, and the 800s for bigger needs at docks. I have about a dozen trucks fitted with Ocean Floaties (they were formerly part of my Japan and Korea truck fleets) so I have them zipping around where I need production. But the 4K ships are looking smaller every day, so I’m thinking of investing in some bigger ones. And of course I need to do some capitals and major airports to get more money; I’m down to $147M with all the road repairs and truck tricking-out I’ve been doing.

This game has been very relaxing during a stressful period in my life and I’m so grateful to have gotten to the next point of opening. So much to do! I’ve even started putting information into the game, for flavor text for locations I’m familiar with. Soooo much fun. Thank you Veloxi for pointing me at the first game way back when.

The game is not really a transport game, btw. It’s a jigsaw puzzle where you have to use pieces you discovered to build manufactories to make more pieces to put into the puzzle to get into more areas to find and make more pieces to build out more areas, and that process gets you the “edges”, as it were. Then you crank out pieces in order to “fill in” countries (map sections) to complete them. Oh, and you have to manage the infrastructure and transport and repairs and building industries.

It’s the weirdest puzzle game mechanic set I’ve ever seen and it’s brilliant. Relaxing, addictive, and modules range from a few weeks of heavy play to years to complete.

Amazing games.

Robear wrote:

This game has been very relaxing during a stressful period in my life

I think it is so important to have an outlet or escape, and I’m glad you found it here. Video games (different ones) certainly provided me the escape that I needed when I went through a rough patch.

I’ve been away from this one for a while, but I do mean to get back to it. I’m by no means ‘done’, but I remember my progress really slowed down.

It’s funny that you describe it like a jigsaw puzzle. I agree, actually, but it’s funny to me because my current ‘not a lot of time available and want something stress-free to play’ goto is virtual jigsaw puzzles. I prefer them right now because I get the same kind of satisfaction, but I know it’ll only take 1-2 hrs, max.

I got stuck in Martinique, but then New Zealand opened, then Australia opened, but it seems now I am stuck on all three of them... I am not able to complete any more towns, can't move trains or boats with stuff (dunno for the heck why or how?)

Any quick hints?

Have you checked the Contracts? Have you checked all the roads to make sure you have explored all you can? (Often exploring by itself opens new contracts and lets you find new resources.) Don't forget to repair all the roads you can; that opens up more areas. It's easy to miss one that cascades into a new contract or set of roads and resources.

When you have a train, you can only ship to towns that have a white train silhouette; that is, a built train station. You can build a train station *after* you finish the town by clicking on the black train silhouette; usually the minimum is $500K but some may be less.

For ships, you have to open another port. You can do this from the sea side by delivering goods that the target port needs. There is no time limit for this, but the port won't actually open until you have finished supplying what it needs.

Martinique you can do all but the port and one of the nearby big towns, I think, using local materials. So you likely need to either level up all the industries (so you can get the throughput to finish the bigger ones) or you have effectively completed it and you need to start New Zealand (and come back later finish the port and maybe a town).

For New Zealand, remember to send out an empty truck (grab it and pull to get the red circles; hold and shift the map scale up and down if you don't see any, that will reset the screen to show them). Also, consider that you may need to build an industry you found in Australia, in New Zealand, or vice versa. But there are plenty of ways to get past the obstacles. (Don't forget, if you haven't finished an industry to level 3 - 3 stars - you may not be able to build it elsewhere.)

Also, you don't mention it, but have you opened up South Island yet? Do you have Floaties on any of your trucks?

Doh.. floaties... check!

I am in the Southern Island now, somehow I get RSI and frustration from the zooming out and searching as well as the quaraintane thingse... should I opt for the ZEN-mode?

I think I'm missing something obvious. Still chipping away at Martinique. I've unlocked enough industries that I can now start to complete some of the larger towns. These towns have enough different requirements along with a fast enough "burn rate" that completing them using direct delivery doesn't seem possible. The "trick", I believe, is to create Single Stores to hold the needed goods and then do a concerted delivery effort from the stores into the towns once I've accumulated enough goods to satisfy the town's needs.

Does this seem right?

If so, how do I create a Single Store?

It sounds right, Moggy. What you do is to find a town that is closer to the target than the producer and has open industry slots (the yellow number in the upper right of the town info block). Then click on it to build a new industry and go all the way to the end of the list. Click on the cardboard box to get a pop-up that lets you select any of the allowed resources (either default or ones you have 3-starred already) to build a dedicated storage for it.

Martinique is basically a teaching island for the basics.