Marvel Media (Spoiler Thread)

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

I am shamefully* far behind. Which should I watch first: WandaVision or F&WS? Or should I alternate?

I would like to get caught up before the next round of MCU movies.

*I am a bad fan.

No you aren’t, I didn’t watch any of the Infinity war movies until they were well into their video release schedule! You watch when you’ve got time, it’s not a crime...

I’d start with WandaVision personally, but I don’t think it really matters.

Wandavision is meant to lead directly into the next Doctor Strange, which is slated for March 2022.

F&WS sets up Captain America 4, which only just got announced as being in the scripting stage

You've got time.

I was going to say it doesn't matter, but the scuttlebutt is that F&WS has a character that might be in the Black Widow movie. So maybe you want to wait on that, but it's not clear at this point.

Except that character's appearance in the Black Widow movie was recorded before they recorded F&WS and was planned to be her first appearance at the time, so probably not a reason to rush...

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

I am shamefully* far behind. Which should I watch first: WandaVision or F&WS? Or should I alternate?

I would like to get caught up before the next round of MCU movies.

*I am a bad fan.

F&WS feels a bit like a stretched-out Marvel movie; it's "normal" in a lot of ways in terms of what gets presented to you. WandaVision is not "normal", and feels really different, and it's freaking phenomenal in its own unique way. It's absolutely the better of the shows, but F&WS is a better lead-in.

mrlogical wrote:

Except that character's appearance in the Black Widow movie was recorded before they recorded F&WS and was planned to be her first appearance at the time, so probably not a reason to rush...

Correct, I was unclear. I meant you can likely wait on Falcon until after BW.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
UpToIsomorphism wrote:

I am shamefully* far behind. Which should I watch first: WandaVision or F&WS? Or should I alternate?

I would like to get caught up before the next round of MCU movies.

*I am a bad fan.

F&WS feels a bit like a stretched-out Marvel movie; it's "normal" in a lot of ways in terms of what gets presented to you. WandaVision is not "normal", and feels really different, and it's freaking phenomenal in its own unique way. It's absolutely the better of the shows, but F&WS is a better lead-in.

Wandavision is more structurally ambitious, but kind of f*cks up its themes in the end.

F&WS is more structurally safe, and its plot doesn't hold together, but it's more successful thematically.

On balance I like F&WS more, but I'd have a hard time calling either one "absolutely" better. It's a matter of which set of flaws bothers you less.

UpToIsomorphism wrote:

I am shamefully* far behind. Which should I watch first: WandaVision or F&WS? Or should I alternate?

I would like to get caught up before the next round of MCU movies.

*I am a bad fan.

Wandavision has some episodes that crushed me emotionally and lines that made me hit pause and really think about what I just heard for 5 minutes. It really takes the traditional MCU movie plot and pretty much throw it out the window except for where they need it to be. Even then, at the end, there is a fight that does not end the way you think it will end. It also touches on themes and really explores them.

F&WS is effectively a MCU movie stretched out for 6 episodes. It is good, but it hits all the right plot points, all the right actors are there and it doesn't do anything surprising as compared to Wandavision.

For me, they are both really, really good, and I didn't find any fault with either of them. Others did, and I am not saying their opinion is wrong because mine differs from theirs.

There is neither of them that leads into the other or is required viewing. I **would ** watch WandaVision before you go into Dr Strange 2, as she is supposed to be a major player in that movie. But, beyond that, watch how you want.

WandaVision was, for me, way more emotionally draining to watch. F&WS was not at all draining to watch. However, I am a middle-aged white dude. A POC might find portions of F&WS to be more emotionally impactful on them than I did.

One part of Falcon that did speak to me more is the dynamic of siblings dealing with their family legacy/belongings/whatever. Especially when one of them is not home as much. While that resolved a little to Disney, I thought the discussions between Sam and Sarah were really good.

If you do give Wandavision a shot, UpToIsomorphism, do make sure to let us know what you think. I'd be curious to hear a perspective from someone who watched it at their own pace as opposed to waiting a week between "Please Stand Bys."

I keep rewatching the end party scene from the finale of Captain America and Winter Soldier not only because I love the music, but because I basically want an entire series of that one-minute scene.

I also wanna go to that party.

I also love that Bucky was smart enough to bring desert.

Veloxi wrote:

I keep rewatching the end party scene from the finale of Captain America and Winter Soldier not only because I love the music, but because I basically want an entire series of that one-minute scene.

I also wanna go to that party.

I also love that Bucky was smart enough to bring desert.

The strongest episode, for me, was the pilot. It had the most amount of time to spend quietly with the characters. It wasn't perfect, of course. But after the dominos started falling, I checked out pretty quickly due to the leap-frog nature of the plot. Sure, everyone said things about the importance of the shield, but I never really felt much of it.

I know they will never make a series about what you mentioned, but it is a nice thought. Just seeing the characters in their off-time with minor superhero stories peppered in. I also totally understand I am in the minority here.

MilkmanDanimal wrote:

--You're telling me that Sam Rogers, who was already incredibly famous as The Falcon and who has now donned the mantle of Captain America and given a rousing speech so powerful and effective that his words literally changed the kinds of global policies that are literally shifting borders and moving millions around the world, has gone ahead and convinced the government of the United States of America to declassify what would undoubtedly be a dark and shameful secret in its experimentation on African-American soldiers that resulted in multiple deaths, and, no really, the unlawful incarceration of a man for decades to keep a secret quiet, and nobody has mentioned this in any media so that Isiah Bradley is surprised when he sees an exhibit?

Did Sam Wilson and Steve Rogers get married?

Love the deeper details of what they didn't do

Veloxi wrote:

I didn't see this posted, and in case anyone was wondering about the amazing song at the end of the CAAWS finale.

Adding my love for this song.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

Did Sam Wilson and Steve Rogers get married? :lol:

Someone's been reading my fanfiction.

The orchestra swelled with the opening strains of "Here Comes the Bride" as the future Mrs. Wilson began her stately march down the aisle. All eyes were on her, until the sound of a voice pulled them back to the chapel doors.

.

"On your left!" Steve called, jogging past her.

JLS wrote:
Veloxi wrote:

I didn't see this posted, and in case anyone was wondering about the amazing song at the end of the CAAWS finale.

Adding my love for this song.

I need to go check because this was either in Like Cage too or just on an inspired by playlist on Spotify.

Nitpick that hit me today while listening to a podcast:

Sam Wilson was a PJ in the US Air Force. Pararescue. A bad-ass Spec Ops Medic.*

Why did he not try to administer aid to either Karli or Sharon? All he could do was carry Karli's lifeless body out to a stretcher as a speech prop. All while Sharon (the live patient) held her gut shot.

*I seem to remember somebody on GWJ being involved in the production of a TV show a few years ago called Inside Combat Rescue. That show was a great view into how amazing those PJ heroes are. It was on NatGeo, but doesn't seem to be on Disney+.

MannishBoy wrote:

Nitpick that hit me today while listening to a podcast:

Sam Wilson was a PJ in the US Air Force. Pararescue. A bad-ass Spec Ops Medic.*

Why did he not try to administer aid to either Karli or Sharon? All he could do was carry Karli's lifeless body out to a stretcher as a speech prop. All while Sharon (the live patient) held her gut shot.

*I seem to remember somebody on GWJ being involved in the production of a TV show a few years ago called Inside Combat Rescue. That show was a great view into how amazing those PJ heroes are. It was on NatGeo, but doesn't seem to be on Disney+.

He never said he was a medic. /Paraphrase from Cap2

lunchbox12682 wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:

Nitpick that hit me today while listening to a podcast:

Sam Wilson was a PJ in the US Air Force. Pararescue. A bad-ass Spec Ops Medic.*

Why did he not try to administer aid to either Karli or Sharon? All he could do was carry Karli's lifeless body out to a stretcher as a speech prop. All while Sharon (the live patient) held her gut shot.

*I seem to remember somebody on GWJ being involved in the production of a TV show a few years ago called Inside Combat Rescue. That show was a great view into how amazing those PJ heroes are. It was on NatGeo, but doesn't seem to be on Disney+.

He never said he was a medic. /Paraphrase from Cap2

He said he was from "58th Pararescue". That's the PJ's. PJ's are medical rescue.

Here's an article going through the movie background of how that unit got brought into the MCU.

It's a little muddy with the "wingman" language, but that's probably writer's license.

MannishBoy wrote:

It's a little muddy with the "wingman" language, but that's probably writer's license.

He just meant they'd go to the bars and hit on women together.

hbi2k wrote:
MannishBoy wrote:

It's a little muddy with the "wingman" language, but that's probably writer's license.

He just meant they'd go to the bars and hit on women together.

Yeah, it really messed him up when his wingman was shot down. That puts things into a whole 'nother context.

Marvel seems set to flood us with movies in the next year

Tiny teaser for

Spoiler:

Fantastic Four

at 2:56

Flood me. Going to the theater to see the new MCU movie has been one of those things my kids and I have done together for years, and it's one of those tiny little bits of normalcy I'm really looking forward to.

Also, The Marvels? I'm on board for a Captain Marvel, Monica Rambeau, Ms. Marvel movie.

Yes please

Man. I am too cynical not to feel like an absolute sucker for loving that, but I am also too much of a dopey nerd to not watch that and get absolute chills. Using voice lines from Stan is a great way to encompass all of that feeling of "aw, it's Stan, this makes me smile!" mixed with a heavy dose of "it's not great to think about the richest company in the world trying to make money off of this dead guy and also keep in mind that the dead guy's credits are at a minimum overstated and he really shafted a lot of his collaborators who deserved more recognition and money." I contain multitudes.

The crowd reaction to the Endgame scene got me. It got me good.

Yeah....that was a lot. I'll be damned if that Marvel theme doesn't get me pumped each and every time.

I always get chills at the Marvel fanfare. Always. Thirty-seven seconds of awesome right there.