[Discussion] Mass Shootings - Yeah, we need a thread just for this...

This year is the deadliest year ever in terms of mass shootings. In a political climate of polarization, it becomes harder to suss out legitimate information from the misinformation propagated by those with political agendas. Complicating this more is the continual resistance of 2nd amendment advocates to allow for political talk surrounding these massacres. This will involve political discussion to see if there are ways we can all agree might be good ways to prevent mass shootings.

This discussion should involve the details of any current, or future mass shooting, and how they compare to past mass shootings. How are they the same? How are they different? Do gun laws have an impact? Does the race of the shooter affect how we treat them? What makes one a hate crime and one an act or terrorism? Are these shootings the price of freedom?

Chairman_Mao wrote:
lunchbox12682 wrote:
Chairman_Mao wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

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Good find, I'm posting this on my LinkedIn.

I hate that LinkedIn is now twitter with resumes.
And not just from this post but in general.

Really? I never see this kind of stuff on LI. Mostly it's garbage inspirational crap, job experience porn or bland corporate-massaged messages about how sad/angry/disappointed people are about things without really calling out what those things are. Feels like it needs to have more explicit social justice content. Or maybe I just associate with boring people

Eh, over the last few years, I saw a lot of people basically pulling Facebook level material in LI or even newspaper comments level horrors.
There's also a bunch of corporate wokeness, which I lean toward better than nothing. I'm good with social justice topics being covered more there, just hoping it's not Twitter and Facebook level material. Meaning less drive-by posting.

Edit- Note, I'm barely on there anymore, so maybe what I am seeing is skewed.

Gremlin wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

So not violent racism but violent misogyny.

It's both.

Plus the obsession of evangelical men trying to find someone else to blame when they think sexual thoughts.

Sorry, I should have been much more clear in what I wrote. It seemed like the sheriff was offering some kind of bizarre explanation that it wasn't a hate crime about race and instead offered an explanation that it was actually a hate crime about gender. Like, really?

But yeah, you're absolutely correct that it's both, and given our society's stereotypes about Asian woman, racism and misogyny are so intertwined here that it's impossible to see where one ends and the next begins.

Not only did the murderer have a bad day yesterday, but so did Cherokee County Sheriff Department spokesperson Captain Ray Baker.

So we should all cut him some slack because, despite being a professional spokesperson, he couldn't not express sympathy for the racist murderer in his public statements while completely ignoring the victims.

But his boss assures everyone that he's really a super guy who has "personal ties to the Asian community," which is pathetically vaguer than claiming "He has an Asian friend." Given the Captain's Facebook posts of racist-ass COVID shirts--which the letter most definitely didn't address--his personal tie to the Asian community is that he once ate at a PF Chang's.

At least he's no longer going to be the spokesperson for the case.

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I am Asian. I have an Asian mother. I have an Asian sister. I married an Asian wife and have an Asian mother in law. I think I am pretty well versed in things Asian.

It is with that authority that I would like to put to bed this fantasy of the submissive Asian female.

It doesn't exist.

Anywhere.

Paleo, coming from an Asian heritage myself, I couldn't agree more other than to add, there is no such thing as a submissive woman, but the statistics certainly show there's such a thing as an abusive man.

there is no such thing as a submissive woman, but the statistics certainly show there's such a thing as an abusive man.

Oh, come on. Obviously abusers exist, but claiming that women are never submissive is just silly. Some men are, too.

And heck, sometimes, women are the abusers. It's not that common, but it does happen.

People are a spectrum, and 'always' and 'never', applied to a billions-deep population, are very unlikely claims, requiring strong evidence.

Paleocon wrote:

I am Asian. I have an Asian mother. I have an Asian sister. I married an Asian wife and have an Asian mother in law. I think I am pretty well versed in things Asian.

It is with that authority that I would like to put to bed this fantasy of the submissive Asian female.

It doesn't exist.

Anywhere.

I have an Asian mother and Asian relatives, as well. Your experience is not universal though I kind of wish it was. The submissiveness certainly exists, just maybe not for you or your connections. Nearly all of the "black sheep" in my mother's family were women who were loud, proud, and DTF (RIP, my fierce aunties), and most of the shunning of them was done by other Asian women in the family (usually of older generations). There are far too many different kinds of Asians to paint them all with any one brush. The submissive stereotype is a result of centuries of extreme patriarchy, aided and by fetishistic white colonialist supremacy and ignorance, ingrained in society and upheld in cultures where it's acceptable to treat women like commodities.

Your lens is important, and necessary, in going against those stereotypes and can help others understand why the stereotype can be grossly wrong and needs to be challenged. Unfortunately, when entire multiple countries of women for many generations are told from birth onwards that this is the expectation that is set for them (by people within their own cultures as well as outside of them), and that submissive, demure qualities are desirable and preferable, the unfortunate side effect is that some people will embody them because it's so culturally ingrained that this is "attractive" and "how a woman behaves" and "how you get a husband." It is normal for humans to want to be accepted and many will behave in ways that make them more palatable to what is perceived as the status quo.

Let's not digress too far; this shooting was 100% a race-based hate crime. There are so many layers to why that is, and people fixating on only the sex aspect are (1) missing the forest for the trees and (2) need to deeply (re)examine their own racial biases and (3) understand the context of who does a lot of the service/survival/or sex work in our society and why. (hint: usually women, non-straight men, queer folk, and people of color).

The fantasy of submission and domination is, between consenting and communicating adults within the bounds of intimate play, a power exchange that can be exciting and rewarding for those involved. Think of it as a game with rules that everyone should agree to before starting the game. What actually makes it a perversion is people who ascribe that to unwilling or unknowing members of society based on their race or social status. It's a removal of consent and autonomy that denies someone's personhood and reduces them to service creatures or f*ck objects. There's nothing inherently sexual about a nail technician.

This can be extrapolated towards women of other races, as well. A lot of people want to sex "the exotic," and when you get a disturbed incel wackjob like that f*cking asshole who reduces an entire population to "f*ck object," you get tragedies like this that that layer hatred of women and hatred of other races in ways that are deeply disturbed but not always as deeply examined as it should be. Based on the police report and how this was being covered initially (and ongoing), this is going to be mishandled from start to finish and I'm furious for the lives and families that will be further harmed by the neglectful and incompetent powers attempting to handle this.

Sadly it barely broke the news, probably due to the low impact, but in MN about 10 minutes up the highway from me we had an active shooter who was on a bridge shooting at cars. Police showed up got in a gun fight. The guy confined to exchange fire and shoot at cars. Eventually eh climbed the fence and exchanged more fire only to shoot himself dead to fall on the empty highway below.

Roads were closed and backed up everywhere From this. This is a major section of highway. The loop around the twin cities. Bloomington is nearly the worst built section of it as there is ALWAYS traffic. The fact that a fire was successfully evaded is amazing! So little is known now but I am surprised I didn't get a phone notice of a sorry or alert it was happening.

Hobear wrote:

Sadly it barely broke the news, probably due to the low impact, but in MN about 10 minutes up the highway from me we had an active shooter who was on a bridge shooting at cars. Police showed up got in a gun fight. The guy confined to exchange fire and shoot at cars. Eventually eh climbed the fence and exchanged more fire only to shoot himself dead to fall on the empty highway below.

Roads were closed and backed up everywhere From this. This is a major section of highway. The loop around the twin cities. Bloomington is nearly the worst built section of it as there is ALWAYS traffic. The fact that a fire was successfully evaded is amazing! So little is known now but I am surprised I didn't get a phone notice of a sorry or alert it was happening.

Wtf?!? I didn't even hear about that!

Edit- ah found an article. Crazy stuff.

I am, with barely repressed fury, reading all the articles making the case that this asshole was motivated by his "sex addiction" and not race and seeing only the inherent white bias in media.

The dude drove 27 miles to kill his first victims. In doing so, he passed several strip clubs, porn shops, and other even blocks of prostitutes, but he targeted an Asian aromatherapy shop first. He says he did so because that was where he frequented, but ask yourself WHY he frequented those places. Is it some innocent "fetishizing" of Asian women? Or was it that it is so much easier to degrade and disrespect a race he was conditioned to view as less than fully human? He confessed to planning to drive down to Florida on his rampage targeting other Asian establishments along the way. Presumably ones he HADN'T frequented. Clearly he associated his "temptation" with a egocentric degradation instead of considering the humanity of his victims. His fourth victim was an Hispanic man who was outside on the sidewalk waiting for a check cashing place to open. Are we to believe that his "temptation" included his attraction to Guatemalan men? It would be so much more on brand for him to simply be expressing his Trumpian id and putting in a bonus "Mexican" to his body count.

No. This Richard Spencer haircut asshole is just trolling us with his excuses and appealing to the inherent white supremacy of his peers in the very rational hopes that they will exonerate him, because not to do so would be having to abandon the same virulent biases they share. Asians and Hispanics are agents of disease and degradation to the white race and he did what any of you would have done. He had a bad day.

To be a white, male mass murderer in America is to enjoy the default privilege of jury nullification so long as your victims are of color.

TheDailyBeast: Son of Atlanta Shooting Victim Calls ‘Bullsh*t’ on Sex Addiction Claim

Park and his mother were “very close,” he said. “I could tell her anything. If I had girl problems or whatever. She wasn’t just my mother. She was my friend.”

She loved “dancing and partying,” he added. “She would always try to convince me to go out. She loved going to clubs. She loved Tiesto. She was like a teenager.”

Grant is her married name, he added. Park never knew his father.

Every night before she left for work, they would go for sushi at the Haru Ichiban on Satellite Boulevard, Park added. “It’s expensive, but it’s the best place around,” he said.

The shootings have stoked fear in the Asian-American community, which has withstood a wave of racist violence over the past year as the coronavirus pandemic overtook the country and right-wing figures from Donald Trump on down race-baited the outbreak.

Park said he was now looking at the problem through a very different lens.

“To be honest. I didn’t think it would happen to me,” he said, noting that apart from the occasional slur he encounters online, “nothing has happened to me personally—until now.”

Much of the national conversation about the shooting has centered on Cherokee County sheriffs apparently taking the suspect, a white kid from the suburbs, at his word that he was not motivated by racial animus. That dynamic was only worsened when, as The Daily Beast first reported, it was revealed the very official in that department perpetuating that narrative posted racist T-shirts that specifically targeted the Asian-American community.

Instead of racism, law-enforcement officials have said, the suspect has suggested he was motivated by his addiction to sex. Atlanta police on Thursday said he frequented the spas he attacked.

Park does not buy that explanation for a second.

“That’s bullsh*t,” he told The Daily Beast.

“My question to the family is, what did y’all teach him?” he added. “Did you turn him in because you’re scared that you’ll be affiliated with him? You just gonna scapegoat your son out? And they just get away scot free? Like, no, you guys definitely taught him some sh*t. Take some f*cking responsibility.”

USA Today: Xiaojie Tan dreamed of traveling the world and celebrating her 50th birthday with her daughter. Then the Atlanta shooter ended her life.

ATLANTA — On her 50th birthday, Xiaojie Tan would have gathered with her only child for a slice of strawberry fresh cream cake, her favorite.

The mother and daughter were best friends.

But the day before Tan would have celebrated her many accomplishments – making a life in the United States, building a family, launching two businesses – a gunman broke into her business and opened fire, killing her and three others in a shooting rampage. He went on to kill another four people at two other spas.

Instead, Jami Webb, 29, and her father, Michael Webb, 64, spent Tan’s birthday planning her funeral at a Catholic church.

Paleocon wrote:

I am, with barely repressed fury, reading all the articles making the case that this asshole was motivated by his "sex addiction" and not race and seeing only the inherent white bias in media.

The dude drove 27 miles to kill his first victims. In doing so, he passed several strip clubs, porn shops, and other even blocks of prostitutes, but he targeted an Asian aromatherapy shop first. He says he did so because that was where he frequented, but ask yourself WHY he frequented those places. Is it some innocent "fetishizing" of Asian women? Or was it that it is so much easier to degrade and disrespect a race he was conditioned to view as less than fully human? He confessed to planning to drive down to Florida on his rampage targeting other Asian establishments along the way. Presumably ones he HADN'T frequented. Clearly he associated his "temptation" with a egocentric degradation instead of considering the humanity of his victims. His fourth victim was an Hispanic man who was outside on the sidewalk waiting for a check cashing place to open. Are we to believe that his "temptation" included his attraction to Guatemalan men? It would be so much more on brand for him to simply be expressing his Trumpian id and putting in a bonus "Mexican" to his body count.

No. This Richard Spencer haircut asshole is just trolling us with his excuses and appealing to the inherent white supremacy of his peers in the very rational hopes that they will exonerate him, because not to do so would be having to abandon the same virulent biases they share. Asians and Hispanics are agents of disease and degradation to the white race and he did what any of you would have done. He had a bad day.

My wife asked me how often the media searches to understand the motivation of killers who aren't white. I had no good answer.

Clumber wrote:

My wife asked me how often the media searches to understand the motivation of killers who aren't white. I had no good answer.

I am trying to think of a mass shooter who wasn't white so I could look but it is hard to find one.

farley3k wrote:
Clumber wrote:

My wife asked me how often the media searches to understand the motivation of killers who aren't white. I had no good answer.

I am trying to think of a mass shooter who wasn't white so I could look but it is hard to find one.

Eh, what's your definition of mass shooter? Because let's not forget the violence of cities where it's often ignored, but not that uncommon.

lunchbox12682 wrote:
Hobear wrote:

Sadly it barely broke the news, probably due to the low impact, but in MN about 10 minutes up the highway from me we had an active shooter who was on a bridge shooting at cars. Police showed up got in a gun fight. The guy confined to exchange fire and shoot at cars. Eventually eh climbed the fence and exchanged more fire only to shoot himself dead to fall on the empty highway below.

Roads were closed and backed up everywhere From this. This is a major section of highway. The loop around the twin cities. Bloomington is nearly the worst built section of it as there is ALWAYS traffic. The fact that a fire was successfully evaded is amazing! So little is known now but I am surprised I didn't get a phone notice of a sorry or alert it was happening.

Wtf?!? I didn't even hear about that!

Edit- ah found an article. Crazy stuff.

Right. Barely made the news. I had the same response to my wife when she told me late last night.

farley3k wrote:
Clumber wrote:

My wife asked me how often the media searches to understand the motivation of killers who aren't white. I had no good answer.

I am trying to think of a mass shooter who wasn't white so I could look but it is hard to find one.

the only one that I can remember that got pretty serious media coverage was that highway sniper in Washington DC. He was sentenced to death... How many white mass killers met the same fate?

lunchbox12682 wrote:

Eh, what's your definition of mass shooter? Because let's not forget the violence of cities where it's often ignored, but not that uncommon.

For me it is 5 or more victims in roughly the same time - so serial killers don't count becuase they might kill a lot more than 5 they don't do it all at once.

However when i looked it up on wikipedia is says

There is no widely accepted definition of the term mass shooting. The United States' FBI follows the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012 definition for active shooter incidents and mass killings (defined by the law as three or more people) in public places. Based on this, it is generally agreed that a mass shooting is whenever three or more people are shot (injured or killed), not including the shooters.

How Racism and Sexism Intertwine to Torment Asian-American Women
Many viewed the shooting rampage in Atlanta that left eight people dead as the culmination of a racialized misogyny that they say has long been directed at them.

With reports of anti-Asian attacks surging after the Trump administration repeatedly emphasized China’s connection to the Covid-19 pandemic, there is evidence that most of the hate, unlike other types of bias crime, has been directed at women.

“People on here literally debating if this was a misogynistic attack against women or a racist attack against Asians,” Jenn Fang, the founder of a long-running Asian-American feminist blog, Reappropriate, wrote in a scathing Twitter thread. “What if — wait for it — it was both.”

On another note, Evangelicals (the Southern Baptist Convention in this case) really need to reckon with the way that their teaching about sex is entwined with racism.

It's fairly common in Evangelical groups to label having normal sexual thoughts as "sex addiction" -- e.g. the Kirk Cameron film Fireproof features a scene where he smashes a computer in his driveway because he's afraid that he'll be tempted to click on a pornographic banner ad; the film frames this as standing up for his marriage and ignores the disturbing implications of violently destroying the external thing that caused the "temptation".

One racial way this manifests is Evangelical concerns about sex trafficking. Similar to their focus on adoption, this is an activity that can be framed as charitable and make the Christians feel good while making life worse for the people they are supposedly "helping".

@emilyjoypoetry
Purity culture is inherently racist so it does not make sense to talk about the Atlanta killings as being the result of one or the other. The American evangelical theology of sexuality is and always has been racially coded, & Christian racism has always enforced itself via sex.

@juliacarriew

It is hard to express how dehumanizing it is to refer to these women – women who had hopes and dreams and struggles and frustrations and jokes and loves and rich inner lives that we will never know – as a "temptation".

@BradleyOnishi
Killing half a dozen Asian women and attributing it to sex addiction, not racism, is Christian nationalism in a nutshell:

"Purity culture made me feel bad about my sexual needs, so I eliminated the temptation. What does race have to do with that?" (Hint: everything)

And the history of the US contributes: US law has previously had a long assumption that all Asian women are prostitutes, which was the excuse for excluding them. The deeper reason is they were afraid that if the workers they brought over from China could also bring their wives and families there wouldn't be enough white babies, which is still a motivation for a lot of people in the US today.

@schanmalik

Yes. In light of the shootings in Atlanta, important to note that first exclusion law ever passed in the U.S. was the Page Act of 1875, which effectively banned entry of Asian (namely Chinese) women due to "lewdness and immorality," paving the way for 1882 Chinese Exclusion Act.

@imaniperry

I teach a course on race in legal history. I always teach Asian American history in that course because you cannot teach serious history of US law as an instrument of racial injustice without the history of Asian Americans...

And it's not ancient history, because most of the recent history of the US in Asia has been through treating Asian women as a sexualized other (Post-WW2 GIs in Japan and 'geishas', Full Metal Jacket's depiction of Vietnamese women, etc.)

Religion Dispatches: DON’T DISCOUNT EVANGELICALISM AS A FACTOR IN RACIST MURDER OF ASIAN SPA WORKERS IN GEORGIA

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Evangelical purity culture is, of course, grounded in the specifically American inflection of white supremacism, with the sexualization of brown and especially Black bodies that goes along with a performative obsession to “protect” white women from Black men, who are assumed to be predatory. We can trace this racist trope back to European culture prior to the creation of the United States (think of the story of Othello, for example, of which Shakespeare’s version, adapted from sixteenth-century Italian material, appeared in 1603).

White supremacism and toxic masculinity are intertwined, historically and in the present, and both have their own inflections in evangelical subculture, where the fetishization of Asian women like those Long targeted is also common. Akiko Bergeron* knows this firsthand as an Asian-American woman who was active in Southern Baptist communities for decades, before evangelical Trump support led her to become an exvangelical.

Bergeron told RD, “White supremacy holds Asians in a weird light, complimenting them on being the ‘good minority,’ while also devaluing women into sex objects who exist for their pleasure.” Describing her own experience, she recalled, “As an adult in the SBC, I saw this fetish and devaluation from white men who thought I should have sex with them because as an Asian, I was a geisha (which they take to mean ‘sex worker’), and so it’s not really cheating or adultery for them.”

To say that an Evangelical-definition "sex addition" lead this murderer to act is, ultimately, to say that he was acting out of the deeply-embedded racism of Evangelical purity culture. I mean, think of it: when you spell it out, the police chief was trying to say "this poor boy couldn't deal with having normal sexual thoughts that his culture taught him were sinful so in his selfishness he committed the sin of murder because he couldn't see the people he was killing as people because they weren't white (and were mostly women)" which sounds pretty f*cking racist to me.

There's going to be attempts to parse out a way to sufficiently other-ize the victims. To find reasons why they don't count, or to reduce them to the smallest and most despised group possible, so that people don't have to feel bad about covering for misogynistic racists.

Since the victims being Korean and Chinese women isn't enough to ignore their deaths, we can already see some of the other narratives being tried out:
- Were the women killed sex workers? In one sense, it doesn't matter, because sex workers aren't somehow less valuable as people. On the other hand, I guarantee you that the police viewed them all as sex workers regardless of whether they were or weren't.
- Were the people killed immigrants? If some of them were undocumented, they'll be blamed for that (and possibly accused of being victims of sex trafficking) so that white commentators can comport themselves with the thought that the moral minority wouldn't behave like that, so killing undocumented people isn't racism. (Which is one wedge that conservatives used to separate US citizens with Latin American heritages from the children forcibly separated from their parents: "your ancestors came here the right way")
- Et cetera.

All of which is in service to changing the narrative from "A number of Asian woman who were minding their own business and had lives and dreams of their own were violently murdered in cold blood by a white boy who was radicalized by his religion to hate his sexual thoughts" which requires action and reflection to some "lone wolf" narrative that can be dismissed as a unique thing with nothing to learn from.

Clumber wrote:

My wife asked me how often the media searches to understand the motivation of killers who aren't white. I had no good answer.

Nine out of the most deadly 26 mass shooting in the US were committed by someone who wasn't white.

The media immediately branded the Orlando nightclub shooter as an ISIL terrorist because he was a Muslim and Muslim=Terrorist in the minds of most Americans. They pretty much swept the fact that the shooter himself was gay (or at least bi) under the table as well as the internal conflict that would have with his religious upbringing (just like the media will probably ignore that white evangelicalism radicalized Long to think that normal sexuality was really "sex addiction" and the cure for that was murdering the woman who tempted him instead of taking a cold shower or masturbating).

The Virginia Tech shooter had long battled mental illness and had even been legally declared mentally ill by a judge two years prior. He slipped through the cracks of the system when it came to his care and when it was possible for him--a person who had been legally declared mentally ill--was still easily able to purchase the firearms he used to kill 32 people and wound 17.

The shooters in the 2015 San Bernardino attack were lone wolves who had been radicalized by ISIL over the course of two years.

The media branded the 2009 Fort Hood shooting as a terrorist attack primarily because the shooter was a Muslim. Some mental health experts say the shooting had much more in common with a workplace shooting than a terrorist attack citing the shooter's increasingly disturbed professional behavior and his pending deployment to Afghanistan (which he was deeply conflicted about because of his religious beliefs).

The Wah Mee massacre, way back in 1983, was just a straight up gang robbery of a night club/gambling den that went south.

The shooter in the Binghamton, NY American Civic Association immigration center shooting of 2009 was a naturalized citizen who likely was upset about being laid off from his job, his inability to find additional work, and feelings of being disrespected because of his poor English (the site of the shootings was where the shooter took English lessons). We don't know his full motivation because, like a lot of mass murderers, he shot himself.

The shooter in the Washington Navy Yard shootings was mentally ill. He believed he was being controlled or influenced by extremely low frequency electromagnetic waves and had previous interactions with both health care workers and law enforcement saying so.

We don't know the motivation for the 2019 Virginia Beach shootings because the shooter killed himself. But because he targeted people at the same municipal building he had worked at for nine years it was very likely workplace related.

The shooter in the Palm Sunday massacre of 1984 was convicted of ten counts of manslaughter that the prosecutor said was driven by "jealously." That's about all the information that's out there about this mass killing which isn't unsurprising considering neither the perpetrator nor victims were white.

The issue isn't that the media doesn't try to understand the motivations of mass killers who aren't white, it's that they try to humanize or excuse the actions of mass killers who are white.

Additionally, the media are loath to state the obvious when it comes to white murders--like this motherf*cker purposefully targeted Asian women and the driver for that was the f*cked up teachings of church he attended. Can't go pissing off the half the country who refuses to accept that their religious beliefs are a toxic mess of racism, misogyny, and repression.

farley3k wrote:
Clumber wrote:

My wife asked me how often the media searches to understand the motivation of killers who aren't white. I had no good answer.

I am trying to think of a mass shooter who wasn't white so I could look but it is hard to find one.

There was the Virginia Tech shooter. I seem to recall a lot of the media blaming it on him being Asian.

iaintgotnopants wrote:
farley3k wrote:
Clumber wrote:

My wife asked me how often the media searches to understand the motivation of killers who aren't white. I had no good answer.

I am trying to think of a mass shooter who wasn't white so I could look but it is hard to find one.

There was the Virginia Tech shooter. I seem to recall a lot of the media blaming it on him being Asian.

I remember the media going for the "video games" angle first and foremost. As for non-white mass killers, there's the Pulse shooter, and the Boston marathon bombers.

This page has a mass shooting database with a lot of data including race. As far as motive goes for non-white shooters although there are some religious, sexuality, or cop hating motivations. The majority appear to be workplace vengeance or romantic relationships gone awry.

https://www.motherjones.com/politics...

Trophy Husband wrote:

As for non-white mass killers, there's the Pulse shooter, and the Boston marathon bombers.

TFW a dude born in the North Caucasus region of the ex-Soviet Union near the Caucasus Mountains isn't considered a Caucasian.

OG_slinger wrote:
Trophy Husband wrote:

As for non-white mass killers, there's the Pulse shooter, and the Boston marathon bombers.

TFW a dude born in the North Caucasus region of the ex-Soviet Union near the Caucasus Mountains isn't considered a Caucasian.

Didn't say Caucasian, said white. There's a difference. For example, I don't think Afghani immigrants suffer from an abundance of white privilege in the U.S.

Atlanta Shooting Suspect’s Church Bashed ‘Radical Feminism’ in Deleted Sermons

Buzzfeed News wrote:

The Southern Baptist church attended by the accused Atlanta-area mass shooter promoted strict, uncompromising views about sex, gender roles, feminism, and the importance of obeying the government—any government—even in North Korea.

In recorded sermons that have since been deleted from the church’s web site, lead pastor Jerry Dockery decried “radical feminism” and criticized recent shifts in gender roles as the work of Satan.

“Radical feminism has engulfed our culture like a tsunami,” Dockery told his congregation on September 20, 2020. “We’re now striving for gender neutrality, for gender fluidity, you name it. It’s just gender whatever-you-want. And I would say to you that this is a blatant, a blatant—I will say it one more time—a blatant guidance, direction and strategy of Satan to oppose and usurp the authority of God.”

The Crabapple First Baptist Church in Milton, Georgia, now finds itself engulfed in crisis after one of its congregants allegedly killed eight people in a shooting spree at three massage parlors in the Atlanta area. Six of the victims were Asian women, and officials say they are still investigating whether the attack should be considered a hate crime.

The alleged gunman told police he had a sex addiction and that he wanted to eliminate what he saw as “temptation”—although experts have expressed skepticism about that self-diagnosis. Massage parlors, especially those that employ migrant or Asian women, are often considered go-to spots for various sex acts. It’s unclear if that assumption applies to the businesses the suspect targeted.

One of the suspect’s former roommates told VICE News that he appeared to be “under the pressure-cooker of his religious surroundings.” Tyler Bayless, 35, who spent several months in a halfway house where the accused shooter sought counseling for his self-professed sex addiction, said that he repeated the church’s denunciations of feminism and pornography.

At first, the church, where the gunman was baptized in 2018, reacted to the tragedy by locking down its online presence and nixing access to its website, Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram accounts. But it re-emerged Friday to denounce the suspect’s “wicked act” as antithetical to its beliefs, rebut that his religious views could have played a role in the shootings, and begin the process of revoking his membership to the congregation.

In a just world Dockery would be arrested as an accessory to multiple murders and his church shuttered.

Not sure if anyone has been shot yet but there is active shooter in Boulder, CO at a King Sooper grocery store. Over a hundred cops are out there.

Yeah. The Bolder shooting was just the icing on the cake of me being disgusted by this country today.

Ten people killed and suspected shooter in custody.

Baron Of Hell wrote:

Ten people killed and suspected shooter in custody.

So, another white male.