Monitor recommendations. What's good?

slazev wrote:
Malor wrote:

And it looks like the $1500 OLED would probably be better in an absolute sense, with the caveat that it would take a little care to avoid burn-in, like using a black desktop background, no desktop icons, and a self-hiding Start bar.

The current LG OLED TVs have a specific functionality to avoid burn-in (pixel shifting, I believe). If the monitors have the same, then you shouldn't need to worry about it.

They did a big burn-in test over at rtings, and it does take a long while, but you can definitely burn in current OLEDs. Making sure you don't have any fixed UI displays would do a great deal to avoid the potential problem.

RTINGS has been doing a long term burn-in test of some OLED TVs from 2017.

You can see that the pixel shifting technology still can't stave off burn-in from the worst case scenario (static graphics, max brightness). But even with less static content, you can see signs of uneven wear when viewing certain solid color screens (especially magenta).

I don't think we're at a point yet where OLED owners should be completely unconcerned about burn-in. For people using them as a monitor, I would definitely be proactive about avoiding keeping the screen on a static desktop for long periods of time.

Yes, and it appears that reasonable care is all that it really needs. Black desktop, no icons, auto-hiding task bar, and your screen is likely to be good for many years.

Well, unless you spend an assload of time playing only one game, anyway, or running only one program in a fixed position on the screen. But for reasonable people, a little care with the Windows UI should prevent uneven wear.

edit: also, turning the brightness down will reduce wear.

second edit: screensavers could make a comeback if OLED becomes ubiquitous.

Malor wrote:

second edit: screensavers could make a comeback if OLED becomes ubiquitous.

Their time has come again

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Malor wrote:

second edit: screensavers could make a comeback if OLED becomes ubiquitous.

There are people who don't have their monitor set to turn itself off after however many minutes idling??

Jonman wrote:
Malor wrote:

second edit: screensavers could make a comeback if OLED becomes ubiquitous.

There are people who don't have their monitor set to turn itself off after however many minutes idling??

How else am I supposed to get my automated minecraft farms to run all night?

Jonman wrote:
Malor wrote:

second edit: screensavers could make a comeback if OLED becomes ubiquitous.

There are people who don't have their monitor set to turn itself off after however many minutes idling??

That’s what I simply do. My OLED turns itself off after 5 minutes of inactivity. It’s not infallible as I left on a 4 day trip and came home to my OLED on and on the same desktop image the entire time. I turned on the pixel refresh which shuts down the TV and runs something for a bit and when it came back on it was 100% fine.

You have to really go out of your way to get burn in. Even with desktop icons and stuff if you use your PC normally then full screen apps will hide the icons constantly.

Jonman wrote:
Malor wrote:

second edit: screensavers could make a comeback if OLED becomes ubiquitous.

There are people who don't have their monitor set to turn itself off after however many minutes idling??

Sort of. I have two ultrawides, with one in a vertical configuration. If I have multiple windows open while working on something and then the monitors go into power-saving mode, all of the windows are screwed up when I wake everything up. I still have power saving mode set, but for like four hours of inactivity.

So, the 27GN850 is here, and it looks quite good. It feels oddly small compared with a 30" monitor, but it's livable.

It wants to do 100Hz max on HDMI. The manual says it will do 144Hz on that connector, but 'recommends' 100Hz, and the monitor shows up at 100Hz on my GTX 970. I haven't tried, but on a PC, you could probably set it to a higher refresh rate. I'm not sure if consoles have any way to do that. If not, that's a big reason not to buy this model for an XB1 or PS5.

Because I don't feel like fooling with refresh rate settings, DisplayPort it is. Sadly, my ancient GTX 970 only supports 1.2, so I can't get to the HDR colors that way. (It can do HDR on HDMI, but its old decoder chip can't accelerate HDR videos, so that doesn't seem all that useful.) Further, the calibration comes out slightly odd, because it's really an HDR monitor with an HDR gamut. The Spyder software says that it's 100% of sRGB, and 95% of P3, which is better than rtings says about the GL version, but things look ever-so-slightly unusual, so I'm not sure how well the HDR gamut is interacting with my SDR-only video card. I'll have a better feel for it in a few more days, I suspect.

I haven't found any dead or stuck-on pixels, so I'm pretty happy. I wouldn't mind a few dead ones, because when they get this small, they're really hard to see. My HP monitor had one, and it didn't bother me. I have not, however, found any at all on the LG.

In my lighting conditions, the blacks seem very black, and the uniformity seems excellent. I haven't had a chance to check it thoroughly in the dark yet, but in a lit room, it looks dead black to me. And the whites seem quite uniform as well.

At this point, my only complaint is that the colors look just the tiniest bit weird, and I'm not sure if that's me or the calibration. (I'm not an artist or a color professional in any way, so don't pay much attention to this.)

Since I spent only $350, I'm extremely pleased with it, but I'd still be happy if I'd paid $400 or $450. It's a surprisingly nice monitor for the price.

Still a work in progress, but I have the newly painted desk bracketed to studs and the 48" OLED LG is mounted.

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It is my current opinion that a 48" 4K monitor with Windows at 100% scaling is the perfect size.

I can't wait to get Microsoft Flight Simulator once I can score a 3080.

What settings for PC do you run your LG with a PC at Gameguru? I gut reacted to game mode to kill mouse input lag because whatever it defaulted to was weird. Haven't had time to play with it at all. Also, if you have any quick input for 4K Blu-ray player TV settings. I turned off the motion smoothing, but there are a bunch of AI things that I haven't researched yet.

IKEA Markus!

*Legion* wrote:

IKEA Markus!

Still goin strong! I feel good about repainting the Ikea desk too instead of trashing it for something of better quality. Could last a really long time with it bolted into the studs. It's really solid.

tuffalobuffalo wrote:

Still a work in progress, but I have the newly painted desk bracketed to studs and the 48" OLED LG is mounted.

IMAGE(https://i.imgur.com/AskVl1J.jpg)

It is my current opinion that a 48" 4K monitor with Windows at 100% scaling is the perfect size.

I can't wait to get Microsoft Flight Simulator once I can score a 3080.

What settings for PC do you run your LG with a PC at Gameguru? I gut reacted to game mode to kill mouse input lag because whatever it defaulted to was weird. Haven't had time to play with it at all. Also, if you have any quick input for 4K Blu-ray player TV settings. I turned off the motion smoothing, but there are a bunch of AI things that I haven't researched yet.

Make sure you switch the HDMI port you use for PC to the label PC. That will unlock 4:4:4 so your fonts look crisp. Otherwise I just enabled HDR and used the Game Picture Preset on the LG (I’m not fancy like guys in AVsFOrums).

Can’t help with 4K Blu-ray since I’m 100% streaming these days. But poke around in the AVsFOrums and you will get all sorts of advice on settings tweaks.

On the Windows 10 side my 2080Ti and 3080 both automatically set the right settings (RGB which is the same as 4:4:4).

TheGameguru wrote:
tuffalobuffalo wrote:

Still a work in progress, but I have the newly painted desk bracketed to studs and the 48" OLED LG is mounted.

IMAGE(https://i.imgur.com/AskVl1J.jpg)

It is my current opinion that a 48" 4K monitor with Windows at 100% scaling is the perfect size.

I can't wait to get Microsoft Flight Simulator once I can score a 3080.

What settings for PC do you run your LG with a PC at Gameguru? I gut reacted to game mode to kill mouse input lag because whatever it defaulted to was weird. Haven't had time to play with it at all. Also, if you have any quick input for 4K Blu-ray player TV settings. I turned off the motion smoothing, but there are a bunch of AI things that I haven't researched yet.

Make sure you switch the HDMI port you use for PC to the label PC. That will unlock 4:4:4 so your fonts look crisp. Otherwise I just enabled HDR and used the Game Picture Preset on the LG (I’m not fancy like guys in AVsFOrums).

Can’t help with 4K Blu-ray since I’m 100% streaming these days. But poke around in the AVsFOrums and you will get all sorts of advice on settings tweaks.

On the Windows 10 side my 2080Ti and 3080 both automatically set the right settings (RGB which is the same as 4:4:4).

Thank you!

Any thoughts on this Acer XV272U versus other similarly priced monitors? I could go up a bit, but would rather save the money for other upgrades.

manta173 wrote:

Any thoughts on this Acer XV272U versus other similarly priced monitors? I could go up a bit, but would rather save the money for other upgrades.

I got that exact monitor earlier this year, based on RPS's recommendation. I have no complaints, but I'm probably not that discerning a customer, and to be honest, I'm waiting on a 3080 to really make it shine.

Biggest difference for me is that it replaced a 60Hz monitor (this is 144Hz), and for the games that I can push that framerate with my aging 1070, it's lush.

manta173 wrote:

Any thoughts on this Acer XV272U versus other similarly priced monitors? I could go up a bit, but would rather save the money for other upgrades.

Around that price point, my personal target would probably be the Gigabyte M27Q, which RTINGS tested and demonstrated fantastic motion performance.

*Legion* wrote:
manta173 wrote:

Any thoughts on this Acer XV272U versus other similarly priced monitors? I could go up a bit, but would rather save the money for other upgrades.

Around that price point, my personal target would probably be the Gigabyte M27Q, which RTINGS tested and demonstrated fantastic motion performance.

Interesting. Any comparisons between the two? My google fu did not come up with one. I do see the acer has more USB ports... lol

RTINGS sadly doesn't have an XV272U review.

Most monitor reviews are crap, just someone eyeballing the screen without any rigorous measurement or testing. That's why I put so much stock in RTINGS' reviews and usually won't buy a display that they haven't reviewed.

I have no reason to think the XV272U is bad. It uses the same Innolux M270KCJ-K7B panel used in a number of other good monitors. But the motion test for the M27Q is just barely beneath the higher quality LG and Samsung screens, and that's pretty great for the ~$300 range. It seems like there's nowhere to go but down from there.

Granted, not everyone places #1 importance on motion performance as I do. That's why I phrased this as saying what I would buy, rather than claiming it's what you should do.

*Legion* wrote:

RTINGS sadly doesn't have an XV242U review.

Most monitor reviews are crap, just someone eyeballing the screen without any rigorous measurement or testing. That's why I put so much stock in RTINGS' reviews and usually won't buy a display that they haven't reviewed.

I have no reason to think the XV272U is bad. It uses the same Innolux M270KCJ-K7B panel used in a number of other good monitors. But the motion test for the M27Q is just barely beneath the higher quality LG and Samsung screens, and that's pretty great for the ~$300 range. It seems like there's nowhere to go but down from there.

Granted, not everyone places #1 importance on motion performance as I do. That's why I phrased this as saying what I would buy, rather than claiming it's what you should do.

That's good enough info for me. Thanks!

TheGameguru wrote:

Make sure you switch the HDMI port you use for PC to the label PC. That will unlock 4:4:4 so your fonts look crisp.

Well that was a weird setup option. I looked it up because I was confused. Done!

What is everyone’s take on TVs for monitors? From what I read here tuffalo, you are running a48in 4K? I would think that you would just be too close for that much screen for gaming, but the idea of one monitor wall mounted on an arm I can raise and lower with my standing desk intrigues me

Yoreel wrote:

What is everyone’s take on TVs for monitors? From what I read here tuffalo, you are running a48in 4K? I would think that you would just be too close for that much screen for gaming, but the idea of one monitor wall mounted on an arm I can raise and lower with my standing desk intrigues me

I'm loving it. I haven't gamed much yet. Played a little Abzu to test it out. Gorgeous. I've been sticking to the lower half of the screen when web browsing vs maximizing the window. I have it at 100% scaling.

Back around 2007-2008 I used a 32" 720p (1366x768 technically) TV as a PC monitor. Those were some chunky pixels! It actually wasn't as bad as you might think though.

So, I'm continuing to enjoy this 48" LG OLED as a computer monitor. I think I'm gonna take a break from Cyberpunk until I can get a 3080, and hopefully they clean it up a bit by then. I tried Shogun 2 for fun which is kinda crazy in 4K. Today I tried Hitman 1 since I bought that on the cheap back in the day and never dove in despite liking some of the old games. My card can barely run it at 4K 60 fps plus or minus 10-15 fps here and there which works for me!

I still haven't figured out if any gsync is going on or anything above 60 fps is going on. I know this thing is supposed to do 120 Hz and I have the correct HDMI cable, but I haven't been able to tell yet. I haven't looked into it much. Playing Hitman made me realize that I my card and Windows will do a certain amount of HDR. I forgot to change that setting in Windows until Hitman detected it and gave me the option. So that's kinda cool.

You need either a GeForce 3XXX or Radeon 68XX or 69XX to get 120hz over HDMI. You can do it with older GPU’s but you need the Club3D Display Port to HDMI adapter.

TheGameguru wrote:

You need either a GeForce 3XXX or Radeon 68XX or 69XX to get 120hz over HDMI. You can do it with older GPU’s but you need the Club3D Display Port to HDMI adapter.

Thanks!

My 970 reports the LG as a 100Hz monitor over HDMI, so you're probably not just stuck at 60Hz, even if you can't reach the full 120.

I fired up Civilization VI on the 48" LG Oled, and my 1080 can run that thing at around 60 fps in 4K with all the settings on high. It looks really nice, and it's so fun to have a huge strategy game like that on a big screen. I'm going to play that and keep playing the first reboot Hitman game on this screen while I wait for a 3080. There are all sorts of slightly older games that will run in 4K on a 1080, and it's kinda fun to go through my library and find some ones I missed.

Is my GTX 1080 even capable of doing Gsync over HDMI with this 48" LG OLED? I have the freesync thing enabled on the TV, but there is no option for Gsync in the Nvidia control panel. I'm guessing it's over displayport only, so... I'm out of lock on Gsync until I get a newer card.