[Discussion] Hope to Remember The Trump Administration Thread as being 'transparent and honest'

Let's follow and discuss what our newest presidential administration gets up to, the good, the bad, the lawsuits, and the many many indictments.

You can't do that with one week to go after you've spent months calling everything a fraud and inciting violence.

"violence and vandalism" he said. I wonder if he's trying to wrap in the BLM vandalism of confed statues?

TheGameguru wrote:

You can't do that with one week to go after you've spent months calling everything a fraud and inciting violence.

well like he started the birther conspiracy, he also ended it. So there's precedent!

Rats, sorry, acting rats, are leaving the ship.

Jonathan Fahey is resigning as acting US Immigration and Customs Enforcement director just weeks after assuming the post, according to a Department of Homeland Security official.

The birther conspiracy started with Andy Martin in Illinois in 2004. From there it moved to racist Clinton supporters during the primary (Clinton & her staff were never involved), and then Trump & Republicans in general.

Man, I hope Rudy's built up a stock of adult diapers and pancake makeup ahead of this.

Rudy gonna be broke and disbarred. See what loyalty to Trump gets you?

Why would anyone ever expect to get paid by Trump? He's screwed everyone he's ever worked with.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

Why would anyone ever expect to get paid by Trump? He's screwed everyone he's ever worked with.

Exactly. That's some funny sh*t right there.

I'd love to see Rudy become a witness against Trump in his many civil and criminal cases.

Does attorney-client privilege still apply if the crime was in the future at the time of the conversation, but in the past at the time the attorney discloses it to law enforcement?

You know... if Republicans had voted to convict him for the first impeachment they could have saved Trump the embarrassment of getting impeached a second time.

That was the weirdest video. It’s literally the only time I’ve ever seen Trump as presidential.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

Why would anyone ever expect to get paid by Trump? He's screwed everyone he's ever worked with.

Just ask Stormy.

Chumpy_McChump wrote:

That was the weirdest video. It’s literally the only time I’ve ever seen Trump as presidential.

Didn’t even register a blip for me. Everything about Trump is a lie and a con. Nothing is sincere from that man or his family. They can all diaf.

Tscott wrote:

You know... if Republicans had voted to convict him for the first impeachment they could have saved Trump the embarrassment of getting impeached a second time.

And saved a few hundred thousand lives.

And if they impeached and removed him during his first criminal act as president, Pence would have been in the White House for nearly four years this March.

hbi2k wrote:

Does attorney-client privilege still apply if the crime was in the future at the time of the conversation, but in the past at the time the attorney discloses it to law enforcement?

It depends. But generally yes, at least under the ABA Model Rules of Professional Conduct. Attorneys must ensure they are in compliance with their state’s or states’ precise ethics rules which are similar to but deviate uniquely from these.

Rule 1.9: Duties to Former Clients

...
(c) A lawyer who has formerly represented a client in a matter or whose present or former firm has formerly represented a client in a matter shall not thereafter:

(1) use information relating to the representation to the disadvantage of the former client except as these Rules would permit or require with respect to a client, or when the information has become generally known; or

(2) reveal information relating to the representation except as these Rules would permit or require with respect to a client.

Rule 1.6: Confidentiality of Information

...
(b) A lawyer may reveal information relating to the representation of a client to the extent the lawyer reasonably believes necessary:

(1) to prevent reasonably certain death or substantial bodily harm;

(2) to prevent the client from committing a crime or fraud that is reasonably certain to result in substantial injury to the financial interests or property of another and in furtherance of which the client has used or is using the lawyer's services;

(3) to prevent, mitigate or rectify substantial injury to the financial interests or property of another that is reasonably certain to result or has resulted from the client's commission of a crime or fraud in furtherance of which the client has used the lawyer's services
...

As for the actual concept of paying Giuliani for legal services, I have to think that Giuliani must be giving some phenomenally amazing advice behind the scenes (which is being ignored) since he has certainly not been performing anywhere close to the $20k/day level in his appearances and filings.

Chumpy_McChump wrote:

That was the weirdest video. It’s literally the only time I’ve ever seen Trump as presidential.

If there's anything we've learned about that man at this point, it's that the version of him reading pre-written remarks off a teleprompter is a total, complete fabrication. Ordinarily, he'd have undermined any seeming "Presidential" appearance with a Tweet by now.

TheGameguru wrote:
Chumpy_McChump wrote:

That was the weirdest video. It’s literally the only time I’ve ever seen Trump as presidential.

Didn’t even register a blip for me. Everything about Trump is a lie and a con. Nothing is sincere from that man or his family. They can all diaf.

Prederick wrote:

If there's anything we've learned about that man at this point, it's that the version of him reading pre-written remarks off a teleprompter is a total, complete fabrication. Ordinarily, he'd have undermined any seeming "Presidential" appearance with a Tweet by now.

Oh, don’t get me wrong; I didn’t believe that he was magically a different person, or that he believed anything he was saying. I just found it fascinating that throughout that video he seemed calm and calming, like he gave a sh*t about things that presidents are supposed to care about. I’m well aware he was using a teleprompter and reading someone else’s words; he just did a decent job this time around.

A thought for Republicans.

If you had removed Trump when you should have, a President Pence would have saved 300k American lives and won re-election.

You have only yourselves to blame.

In a statement released after the House voted to impeach, McConnell said:

"Given the rules, procedures, and Senate precedents that govern presidential impeachment trials, there is simply no chance that a fair or serious trial could conclude before President-elect Biden is sworn in next week."

But we could jam through a SCOTUS pick! No problem there!

Prederick wrote:
Chumpy_McChump wrote:

That was the weirdest video. It’s literally the only time I’ve ever seen Trump as presidential.

If there's anything we've learned about that man at this point, it's that the version of him reading pre-written remarks off a teleprompter is a total, complete fabrication. Ordinarily, he'd have undermined any seeming "Presidential" appearance with a Tweet by now.

The online idiot brigade is calling it what it kind of looks like, a hostage video. Their headcanon Trump would never surrender like that, so the deeeeep staaaaaate (spooky!) must have made him do it.

Stories about him regretting doing the video in 3,2...

hbi2k wrote:

Does attorney-client privilege still apply if the crime was in the future at the time of the conversation, but in the past at the time the attorney discloses it to law enforcement?

I'm pretty sure attorney client privilege doesn't apply at all if what you are talking about is criming.

Paleocon wrote:

A thought for Republicans.

If you had removed Trump when you should have, a President Pence would have saved 300k American lives and won re-election.

You have only yourselves to blame.

I don't think so. Trump would have gone on a year's long road show complaining about how he was robbed. His cult would have splintered away from the main republican party and they would have lost reelection.

He leads a mob and they are not sworn to republicans but to trump so he would have just used it to destroy more.

farley3k wrote:

I don't think so. Trump would have gone on a year's long road show complaining about how he was robbed. His cult would have splintered away from the main republican party and they would have lost reelection.

He leads a mob and they are not sworn to republicans but to trump so he would have just used it to destroy more.

He wouldn't have had 4 years in power growing his base the way he has in the current timeline. He would still have his followers, to be sure, but I don't think they would exist in the numbers they do now, nor would they be quite as zealous, I don't think.

Also independent voters almost always end up voting for the main parties. Trump loyalists would be told the same thing that leftists are constantly told, which is "now is not the time, this is an emergency, all hands on deck, you can't vote your conscious, etc." otherwise the demonic, baby-eating Socialists would win.

Paleocon wrote:

A thought for Republicans.

If you had removed Trump when you should have, a President Pence would have saved 300k American lives and won re-election.

You have only yourselves to blame.

Pence was in charge of the pandemic response.