[Discussion] Hope to Remember The Trump Administration Thread as being 'transparent and honest'

Let's follow and discuss what our newest presidential administration gets up to, the good, the bad, the lawsuits, and the many many indictments.

Boy do the Republicans love to go back to the Black Lives Matter protests being the same thing as storming the capitol when they are counting votes for the next president.

Who were the other 4? I saw 6 with statements before or during

MilkmanDanimal wrote:
whispa wrote:

Never, in my lifetime did I have to worry about so many fanatical extremists that actually love America. A different vision of America than me but my concern pre and post 9/11 was fanatical terrorists following radical religions...and we all have Trump to thank for giving them a louder voice and platform.

You're totally right; I mean, outside of decades of white supremacists wrapping themselves in the American flag and talking about the "Real America" and only occasionally blowing up federal buildings in Oklahoma City, who could have seen this coming?

Domestic terrorists who love their version of America are the same domestic terrorists there have always been. You think the Proud Boys don't think they love America? You know what the difference is now? White people are now scared they're going to be impacted, and it's now somebody more than minorities who realize their way of life is threatened.

White supremacy has been a deeply fundamental part of the GOP since JFK and LBJ pushed through civil rights legislation in the 1960s. That's where Goldwater's "States' Rights" and Nixon's "Law and Order" stuff comes from, an overt away to draw in the old segregationist Southerner Democrats that turned away from their old party because being racist was more important that anything else. Trump and his allies have just figured out how to weaponize social media and right-wing media to the point where other people are finally noticing.

Perhaps I should have been more clear. I know we have a major problem with extremism, hate groups etc
for years well before Trump but never would have imagined seeing so many converge on our Capital like we saw last week.

Stealthpizza wrote:

Boy do the Republicans love to go back to the Black Lives Matter protests being the same thing as storming the capitol when they are counting votes for the next president.

I have heard this over and over again today. They just keep going back to that well for another drink. Sickening.

The way she's been going it'll become permanent real soon.

Rep. Lauren Boebert says Twitter account locked until Inauguration Day
Stele wrote:

Who were the other 4? I saw 6 with statements before or during

Difficult to find a full list right now, but according to ABC 7 there,

GOP Reps. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois, John Katko of New York, Herrera Beutler of Washington and Fred Upton of Michigan also announced their support of the article of impeachment late Tuesday.
Stele wrote:

Who were the other 4? I saw 6 with statements before or during

Liz Cheney, WY
Tony Gonzalez, OH
Jaime Herrera-Beutler, WA
John Katko, NY
Adam Kinzinger, Ill.
Peter Meijer, MI
Dan Newhouse, WA
Tom Rice, SC
Fred Upton, MI
David Valadao, CA

lmao @ donald claiming 50% of the impeachments in US history.

He finally really is the best at something!

Atras wrote:

it would be amazingly wonderful if the precedent of not having witnesses at a trial allowed a second Trump impeachment to proceed at warp speed. In general, having a sham trial is bad, but I would accept the exception for him.

It’s impossible for the Senate to conduct a Trump trial without witnesses present who are personally knowledgeable of the events of 1/6. Senate trial rules require that the Senators be there.

I wonder if Toby Keith and Ricky Skaggs are concerned that news about Trump giving them the National Medal of Arts this afternoon might be overshadowed a bit by him getting impeached for a second time.

Keithustus wrote:
Atras wrote:

it would be amazingly wonderful if the precedent of not having witnesses at a trial allowed a second Trump impeachment to proceed at warp speed. In general, having a sham trial is bad, but I would accept the exception for him.

It’s impossible for the Senate to conduct a Trump trial without witnesses present who are personally knowledgeable of the events of 1/6. Senate trial rules require that the Senators be there.

NBC was saying this morning that there is no requirement for in-person witnesses. Recorded testimony, video clips, etc is all valid evidence.

Of course. That’s how they did the last one. But the only way to eliminate all firsthand witnesses this time would be for the entire Senate except those from Georgia to resign and have different people appointed by governors.

People, you are missing the joke that the witnesses are already there because the Senators are witnesses.

America divorces Trump and he gets half the impeachments.

Paleocon wrote:

America divorces Trump and he gets half the impeachments.

Got screwed on the prenup though

Chairman_Mao wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

America divorces Trump and he gets half the impeachments.

Got screwed on the prenup though :(

just take it out of the campaign money.

I'm glad that he was impeached again. Feels like an empty victory though.

What I'm very worried about is the violence from his followers and then the infuriating response that will be trotted out by republicans. "The left voted to impeach Trump! The left could have tried to heal and unify things, instead they are the ones that are sowing more division. There wouldn't have been more violence if they hadn't impeached Trump again!"

Facebook is reporting increases in chatter around violence
Telegram is reporting it as well

Google is freezing all political ads until after the inauguration

We're nowhere near out of the woods. I hope that all our elected officials have security details on them right now because at this point I don't have a F'n clue what these insurrectionists are willing to do.

JC wrote:

I'm glad that he was impeached again. Feels like an empty victory though.

What I'm very worried about is the violence from his followers and then the infuriating response that will be trotted out by republicans. "The left voted to impeach Trump! The left could have tried to heal and unify things, instead they are the ones that are sowing more division. There wouldn't have been more violence if they hadn't impeached Trump again!"

Facebook is reporting increases in chatter around violence
Telegram is reporting it as well

Google is freezing all political ads until after the inauguration

We're nowhere near out of the woods. I hope that all our elected officials have security details on them right now because at this point I don't have a F'n clue what these insurrectionists are willing to do.

As much as I fear how bad the violence can and likely will get, I almost feel that a certain degree of it is simply necessary for Americans to take the threat of this fascist movement seriously enough to actually do something about it. And we really do need to do something about it. We need to round up its leaders, destroy its infrastructure, and attach very real consequences to this behavior.

We got here because we ignored it and thought we could live with it. It is long past time we dealt with it judiciously even if it means an abundance of force.

Stealthpizza wrote:

Boy do the Republicans love to go back to the Black Lives Matter protests being the same thing as storming the capitol when they are counting votes for the next president.

OMG!! I’m so sick of this. I’ve had to deal with work friends trying to make this point. They don’t like it when I express disagreement to their uninformed assumptions, so now I’m being shunned by the three or four dudes I work with that I’m comfortable being myself around. You know what I’ll do? I’ll reach across and try to bridge the gap... next week. This week I’ll have myself for company I guess.

It’s pathetic.

JC wrote:

I'm glad that he was impeached again. Feels like an empty victory though.

What I'm very worried about is the violence from his followers and then the infuriating response that will be trotted out by republicans. "The left voted to impeach Trump! The left could have tried to heal and unify things, instead they are the ones that are sowing more division. There wouldn't have been more violence if they hadn't impeached Trump again!"

Facebook is reporting increases in chatter around violence
Telegram is reporting it as well

Google is freezing all political ads until after the inauguration

We're nowhere near out of the woods. I hope that all our elected officials have security details on them right now because at this point I don't have a F'n clue what these insurrectionists are willing to do.

This is exactly right. Congressional Republicans who voted against impeachment are tacitly stating that anything is on the table: assassinations, massacres, assaults on public places, anything.

Paleocon wrote:

As much as I fear how bad the violence can and likely will get, I almost feel that a certain degree of it is simply necessary for Americans to take the threat of this fascist movement seriously enough to actually do something about it. And we really do need to do something about it. We need to round up its leaders, destroy its infrastructure, and attach very real consequences to this behavior.

We got here because we ignored it and thought we could live with it. It is long past time we dealt with it judiciously even if it means an abundance of force.

The level of violence didn't rise because people thought they could live with it. It rose because half of the US *approves* of it.

Natus wrote:
Paleocon wrote:

As much as I fear how bad the violence can and likely will get, I almost feel that a certain degree of it is simply necessary for Americans to take the threat of this fascist movement seriously enough to actually do something about it. And we really do need to do something about it. We need to round up its leaders, destroy its infrastructure, and attach very real consequences to this behavior.

We got here because we ignored it and thought we could live with it. It is long past time we dealt with it judiciously even if it means an abundance of force.

The level of violence didn't rise because people thought they could live with it. It rose because half of the US *approves* of it.

And the other half didn't do sh*t when it was time to punch those folks in the mouth. You don't appease fascists. You make them afraid to speak.

Paleocon wrote:

We got here because we ignored it and thought we could live with it. It is long past time we dealt with it judiciously even if it means an abundance of force.

Time to finally finish Reconstruction, 150 years later.

The elected officials who have the power to affect change have failed to do so. It’s so tiring to see this happen over and over again. Citizens of the republic don’t have that kind of authority. When the job of preventing fascists from overthrowing the government is laid at the feet of peaceful citizens, then we truly are at civil war.

President Trump just released a video in which he finally condemns violence against the Capitol and for political purposes.

- hours AFTER being impeached again
- did not congratulate, or mention(?) Joe Biden

Well, that's a lot to unpack.

Was it a Freudian slip that he cannot emphasize nonviolence? 2:55

(edit: spelling and grammar)

WTF is “political violence” ??

Too little too late Donny. By at least 6 years. This 4 minute attempt at a CYA does nothing to hide your violent, psychopathic, autocratic nature that has been on display forever.

May you rot in hell.

Its shameful that that Trump video feels like a comedy routine of things Trump would never say.

Snapchat just banned him for life.

JC wrote:

I'm glad that he was impeached again. Feels like an empty victory though.

What I'm very worried about is the violence from his followers and then the infuriating response that will be trotted out by republicans. "The left voted to impeach Trump! The left could have tried to heal and unify things, instead they are the ones that are sowing more division. There wouldn't have been more violence if they hadn't impeached Trump again!"

That's just the excuse. They would have come up with another excuse, and the violence would have happened anyway.