Spider-Man Catch-All

r013nt0 wrote:

A bit brutal to hide the Platinum behind beating the game on NG+, imo.

I don't particularly care about trophies or cheevos, but I was considering getting this one because I'm only missing 3 (100 hit combo, beat on NG+, get all abilities (also only possible in NG+)) Getting all abilities only requires you to gain 3 levels, so that's no big deal. But not sure I want to play all the way through a 2nd time immediately after beating the game.

Yeah, the first game didn't have NG+ when it launched, so platinum was achievable with one run. They added that achievement later, but I think you still get to keep the plat if you have it. And the new menu on PS5 at least, it shows breakdowns for trophies by game, NG+, and each DLC. Don't remember seeing that on PS4 trophies.

But now with the shorter game, I saw that they added powers for NG+ only. Not sure I love that, either. But it's not like it's the first game to do that. Persona 5 has a bunch of trophies tied to NG+ and that takes 100 hours or more to finish just once. So it could be worse.

While I loved P5 enough to play it twice, I really dislike this design choice for trophies. If there's something meaningfully different about NG+, fine, but otherwise this sort of thing just feels like filler.

Game is on sale on PS4, probably for the VGAs.

Spikeout wrote:

One person that really gets on my wick is John Jonah Jameson, he is so one note & an utter prick that I wanted an end credits scene were I could venom punch him through a wall. He was infuriating in Spiderman 2018 because of the amount of dialogue he had talking on his podcast, he's still present in a much smaller capacity, its still enough to grate on me.

This aggression shall not stand!

J. Jonah Jameson is an unbeknownst heel (in the professional wrestling sense) to treasure. His promos tirades are sensational. I sit back with a smile to listen in, before shaking my head with a smirk on my face. I tend to think "Bravo, Jonah. Bravo. You've outdone your conspiratorial holier than thou self once more... " Just imagine the next vaccine denier, or face covering critic, with the voice of J. Jonah Jameson. That gusto. That moral and intellectual superiority. It's so J. Jonah!

I enjoyed your thoughts on Miles Morales. It's one I'll definitely circle around to. I may be able to wait out a PS5 after all. Or at least a moderate discount on PS4. The new suit powers and gadgets do sound intriguing, though. Temptation.

I always let JJ finish before I jumped into the next thing in the first game.

r013nt0 wrote:

A bit brutal to hide the Platinum behind beating the game on NG+, imo.

I don't particularly care about trophies or cheevos, but I was considering getting this one because I'm only missing 3 (100 hit combo, beat on NG+, get all abilities (also only possible in NG+)) Getting all abilities only requires you to gain 3 levels, so that's no big deal. But not sure I want to play all the way through a 2nd time immediately after beating the game.

That sucks. I don’t mind having to start a NG+ game, gain a few levels, and do a couple things, but having to replay the entire campaign is a bit much.

Wrong thread. Stupid browser tabs.

Great write up Spikeout. This is one of the games that's weakening my resolve to wait for a PS5 until I've played key backlog games on the PS4. As you say a full sequel will hopefully be a massive leap forwards.

RnRClown wrote:
Spikeout wrote:

One person that really gets on my wick is John Jonah Jameson, he is so one note & an utter prick that I wanted an end credits scene were I could venom punch him through a wall. He was infuriating in Spiderman 2018 because of the amount of dialogue he had talking on his podcast, he's still present in a much smaller capacity, its still enough to grate on me.

This aggression shall not stand!

J. Jonah Jameson is an unbeknownst heel (in the professional wrestling sense) to treasure. His promos tirades are sensational. I sit back with a smile to listen in, before shaking my head with a smirk on my face. I tend to think "Bravo, Jonah. Bravo. You've outdone your conspiratorial holier than thou self once more... " Just imagine the next vaccine denier, or face covering critic, with the voice of J. Jonah Jameson. That gusto. That moral and intellectual superiority. It's so J. Jonah!

I enjoyed your thoughts on Miles Morales. It's one I'll definitely circle around to. I may be able to wait out a PS5 after all. Or at least a moderate discount on PS4. The new suit powers and gadgets do sound intriguing, though. Temptation.

Haha! His rants are creative I'll give him that, the wrestling heel analogy is actually a good way to put it. I might look at him in a slightly more favourable light in future

I think singling in on the biggest factor that bugs the sh*t out of me is when Spiderman would do something unmistakably good like save a bunch of passengers on a train that's been derailed. Feeling accomplished until JJJ's podcast comes on a short while later, he's spewing out something along the lines of "if you've seen the news today you'll have seen that Spiderman was supposedly trying to save the passengers on that train. Well folks my inside sources have told me he was actually trying to plant C4 on the head of every passenger on board." *dramatic ending to highlight my point* :p

I'd be more onboard if he begrudgingly give Spiderman some credit when its totally obvious that he's done a good thing rather than the blind 'he's bad, he's evil, he's the worst terrorist in this city' attitude he goes with.

So you're saying they did a completely accurate and believable job of parodying Alex Jones.

r013nt0 wrote:

So you're saying they did a completely accurate and believable job of parodying Alex Jones.

He's still not as hyperbole as Alex Jones.

As bad as JJJ can be, he's still show some level of moral and ethical conviction over the years. Not when it comes to Spider-man, of course. But HE'S A MENACE!

Jonah had some nice sincere moments when looking to rally spirit amongst the population in the midst of the impending doom. His praise of the emergency services. His belated pleas and gratitude to Spider-Man, that were short lived, and possibly even retracted, but even that smidgen from J. Jonah Jameson was something to behold!

None of that means he isn't grating, rather that that's the intent. And I'd hazard that the hypocrisy and conspiracy theories are even more fingernails-on-chalkboard for those of us in the US, where that kind of thing has suddenly come out of the fringe and taken center stage in the national and political discourse. Charles Stross, who's made a living mining and creating various conspiracies in his fiction, recently wrote about how he feels the landscape has really changed:

...But the biggest total nope for the next decade (at least) is the conspiracy theory as a world-view in fiction.

Conspiracy theory is dead to me. It used to be a funny plot trope, as witness Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson's Illuminatus! trilogy. You could read these batsh*t theories put together by people who thought the Martians had assassinated JFK, or the Jews ran a secret Masonic conspiracy to pollute everybody's bodily fluids by fluoridating the municipal water supply, and giggle at the stupidity of it all. But then a funny thing happened: Facebook. Facebook and Twitter mainstreamed conspiracies and they went viral on the grey matter of people who had never been educated to think critically, evaluate sources of evidence, and fact-check, and we all know the results: QAnon, Donald f*cking Trump, Brexit, a massive upsurge in anti-semitism and white supremacism and neo-Nazism. Not to mention 5G radiation conspiracy theories, anti-vaxx, flat-eartherism, and all the other nonsense. It ends up with people believing sh*t like the late Francis E. Dec's Gangster computer god rant — and if you listen to it for lulz, because it's basically the ravings of a paranoid schizophrenic with hypergraphia and the controling-machine delusion, just keep watch for the racist interjections.

Folks, writing conspiracy theories in fiction is over. It's not clever: it's like pouring accelerants on a house fire, or playing with matches in a harborside warehouse full of ammonium nitrate. It runs the risk of taking off like an explosive chain reaction and causing immense damage. Those 5G conspiracy theorists in the UK have led to arson attacks on cellphone masts, resulting in emergency (fire and ambulance service) blackouts that put lives at risk. The risks of the anti-vaxxer nonsense (thank you, Mr. Wakefield) was causing lethal disease outbreaks even before it convinced about 40-50% of the UK population that they wouldn't accept a vaccine against COVID-19 because vaccines don't work/are a conspiracy/Bill Gates wants to put a chip in you (why?)/you might have a child with autism (hey, no ableism here, honest). And so on. Our current media environment has scrambled our society's ability to assemble a consensus view of reality so badly that conspiracy theories should be considered toxic. And that's not a good thing from my perspective because it puts the entire viability of creative-lies-that-amuse-and-inform - fiction - in jeopardy.

That crystallizes my discomfort with Jameson in the 2018 game. I wasn’t able to put it into words prior to reading that.

It would be nice if some right-leaning Spider-Man fans realized the real world implications of JJJ. But then again there's a whole subset of Marvel fans out there that just don't get what X-Men was all about. Not to mention the Captain Marvel and Black Widow backlash from certain male fans.

beanman101283 wrote:

That crystallizes my discomfort with Jameson in the 2018 game. I wasn’t able to put it into words prior to reading that.

I turned off Jameson's podcasts for this reason and don't feel like I missed anything.

ccesarano wrote:

Game is on sale on PS4, probably for the VGAs.

I thought you meant Miles Morales and got all excited.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
ccesarano wrote:

Game is on sale on PS4, probably for the VGAs.

I thought you meant Miles Morales and got all excited. :(

Actually I thought I was in the Persona 5 thread when I posted that. My bad.

Hopefully the original was at least on sale by coinkidink.

OMG we need to talk about the amazing suits in Miles Morales. Got a bit deeper the last couple days, past level 10 and some suit unlocks. And a story suit. And a side quest suit. And another side quest suit.

Holy moly.

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Spider-Verse is wicked. The stutter animation is just unbelievably cool. Looks good without the suit item on too.

And the side quest for Programmable Matter. Ok it looks cool, I like it. It's fun. I'm fighting. I do a finisher. HOLY sh*t spider legs popped out and did the finishing. Hahaha.

Winter Suit! OMG the scarf. Loved this entire side quest chain and character. So well done. And stylin' for winter.

Animated Suit is just as good as Peter's from the last game too. That comic-book is a game feel is fun.

I’ve been running with the

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Miles Morales 2099

suit as my primary story suit. I love the eyes.

Just bought Miles Morales as a Christmas present for myself. Let’s go!

Finished Miles story last night. Oh wow, that was good.

Nice epilogue side missions and new costume too. Needed that after the ending.

Oh great credits scenes too. I guess one teasing the next game, and another audio-only with JJJ was funny.

I figured I would replay Spider-Man Remastered now, but I'm afraid now I will miss some of the quality of life improvements from Miles. The graphics and updated triggers might not be enough fun to justify another play right now. Maybe some more games in between so I don't immediately compare.

That's the route I'm taking. Transferred my PS4 save and playing some other games before diving into New Game+ (with Miles' New Game+ to proceed after that).

I just still have too much of a PS4 backlog to justify a replay of Spider-Man with the Remastered version, although I loved the first game and Miles's iteration. Right now I'm finally getting around to Days Gone, which looks great at 60fps on the PS5. I'll probably play the Remastered game a month or so before Spider-Man 2.

Oh that does sound like a good idea, wait for the sequel release date and then refresh myself.

Miles Morales is definitely longer than I thought or heard about. I looked it up on How Long to Beat and saw that the "main" timer is 8 hours, the "completionist" is 16, and I picture the completionist time including the platinum trophy which means 100%ing the map, then a new game +. I'm on track for way more than that.

Not complaining, mind you. But this definitely feels like a plenty full game.

For context, I just finished the first story mission after the "Veloci-Skates" trophy. I think my map completion is around 65%.

LastSurprise wrote:

Miles Morales is definitely longer than I thought or heard about. I looked it up on How Long to Beat and saw that the "main" timer is 8 hours, the "completionist" is 16, and I picture the completionist time including the platinum trophy which means 100%ing the map, then a new game +. I'm on track for way more than that.

Not complaining, mind you. But this definitely feels like a plenty full game.

For context, I just finished the first story mission after the "Veloci-Skates" trophy. I think my map completion is around 65%.

That's still pretty short for the price, at least compared to the previous one. Still good so far.

LastSurprise wrote:

Miles Morales is definitely longer than I thought or heard about. I looked it up on How Long to Beat and saw that the "main" timer is 8 hours, the "completionist" is 16, and I picture the completionist time including the platinum trophy which means 100%ing the map, then a new game +.

Meanwhile, according to Sony's stats I put 18 hours into it and am only 66% done. I finished the story, cleared the map, and did all the app jobs, so I guess the other 34% is... I don't know, trophies and New Game+?

I can't find my play time in the PS app or on the web site. Just trophy list.

Where are you guys seeing that?

Figured I was going to have to load up the game and check my save file later.

It definitely seemed longer to me but I got 100% of every zone, then beat the game, then the one more side mission to complete zones again.

lunchbox12682 wrote:

That's still pretty short for the price, at least compared to the previous one. Still good so far.

It's only $50, still $10 cheaper than most PS4 games.