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Previous incarnations of Cleveland/P&C/D&D have had an image thread, to handle political cartoons and other image-based stuff that doesn't belong in the general post-a-picture threads.

If any of them spawn an extended discussion, please spawn it off into its own thread. Replies to non-picture replies should take the form of a link pointing to a post on a different discussion thread.

And I shouldn't have to say it, but the images still need to abide by the rules.

Quintin_Stone wrote:

The article was from June 2019, but the sentiment does remain.

More recently..
Shot: Antiabortion ethicists and scientists dominate Trump’s fetal tissue review board
Chasers: Trump fetal tissue ethics board urges rejection of nearly all research proposals (August) and Trump ban on fetal tissue research blocks coronavirus treatment effort (March)

Not that I think Trump gives two poops about fetal tissue research or the NIH; this is purely a bone thrown to the evangelical right.
[ I've made an effort to find images but even the articles themselves are using the same stock 'science!' photos. ]

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Don’t you just love it when a woman insults a man by calling him a woman?

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farley3k wrote:

Don’t you just love it when a woman insults a man by calling him a woman?

No

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I'm sorry, but The Commission on Presidential Debates needs to be replaced with adults if they think this is what an effective safety barrier looks like.

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I have no idea. I think imgbb might be inserting ads in their pre-formatted links now? Or I copied too much of the page.

Either way, it's edited now.

Gremlin wrote:

I think imgbb might be inserting ads in their pre-formatted links now?

Only sometimes, but yes, that's what happened. They used to just randomly stick an ad link for ImgBB itself on to the end of a pre-formatted link, but it looks like they've now started adding third-party ad links. Which is poop, so now I'll need to find yet another image hosting service.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
Gremlin wrote:

I think imgbb might be inserting ads in their pre-formatted links now?

Only sometimes, but yes, that's what happened. They used to just randomly stick an ad link for ImgBB itself on to the end of a pre-formatted link, but it looks like they've now started adding third-party ad links. Which is poop, so now I'll need to find yet another image hosting service. :P

It's not hard to delete, now that I know what to look for, but so it goes.

I think postimages.org doesn't do anything like that. Super easy to use but if your image is very large it won't give you a direct link to the full res version, but you can find it pretty easily.

I do wish this would become the story instead of just one man cheating (or gaming the system)

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farley3k wrote:

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Shes been a judge for less time than trump has been a president. There is a long long list of reasons she has no business being on the supreme court. of course her inexperience with and flawed understanding of the law is the reason they want her there to begin with so *shrug*

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I guess DeNiro(or his parody account master) hadn't heard that Barrett (and presumably her family) already had Covid and recovered.

She wouldn’t be at fault either way regardless of the COVID situation- it would technically be her husband’s fault because women aren’t allowed to make their own decisions in the weird, hyperconservative religious organization she belongs to.

Re: ImgBB - just use the direct image link. It may not be the default thing it shows you, but you can always get a direct link.

Gremlin wrote:

I'm sorry, but The Commission on Presidential Debates needs to be replaced with adults if they think this is what an effective safety barrier looks like.

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For what it's worth, the barriers are pretty much useless anyway.

Need soundproof hermetically sealed booths with self-contained ventilation.

That might restrict Harris' gesticulation, btw.

Little known fact: Kamala Harris' original last name was Khan, but she changed it when she got into politics. She also gave up embiggening.

BadKen wrote:

Need soundproof hermetically sealed booths with self-contained ventilation.

They shouldn't be in the same state until after inauguration.

It is mindboggling to me that someone who has been a judge for less than 3 years (if I recall correctly) is considered a good choice for a supreme court justice.

I mean, here is the process for Canada.

Spoiler:
Process of Supreme Court of Canada Appointments
Rules & procedures for appointing Supreme Court justices
Eligibility & Representation

In choosing an appointment to the Supreme Court, the Prime Minister must observe several rules, which are set out in the Supreme Court Act. Firstly, the Prime Minister may only appoint a person with specific professional experience. To be eligible to serve on the Supreme Court, an appointee must either 1) be or have been a judge of a superior court of a province or 2) have been a barrister or advocate with at least 10 years standing at the bar of a province.

Secondly, the Act stipulates that at least three of the judges on the Court must be appointed from Quebec, be it from the province's Court of Appeal, Superior Court, or the group of advocates from that province. Therefore, if a retirement from the Court left only two Quebec judges, then the Prime Minister would be required to appoint someone from Quebec to bring the number back up to three. This rule is commonly justified on the basis that Quebec uses a civil law instead of common law system (as the rest of the country does), and that the Supreme Court needs to have judges familiar with the civil law system in order to properly hear appeals from Quebec.

Finally, it is convention, but not mandatory, that the remaining six positions on the Supreme Court are divided in the following manner: three from Ontario, two from Western Canada, and one from Atlantic Canada.

Review by Advisory Committee

In recent years, the appointment process has been modified somewhat to allow greater parliamentary, provincial/territorial, and public consultation. In 2004, Liberal Prime Minister Paul Martin announced that nominees to the Supreme Court would be reviewed by a special parliamentary committee, that would report their findings to Parliament. This led to the establishment of an ad hoc parliamentary committee, which reviewed the 2004 nominations of justices Rosalie Abella and Louise Charron.

Subsequently, a formal Advisory Committee on Supreme Court appointments was announced, which is formed each time a vacancy on the Court occurs. The Committee's basic structure and its review process are as follows:

  • The Committee is to include a Member of Parliament from each recognized political party in the House of Commons, a retired judge from the region where the vacancy arises, a representative of the Attorney General from the home province of the nominee, a representative of the law society from the nominee's home province, and two prominent Canadians who are neither lawyers nor judges.
  • The Committee is to be presented with a list of seven candidates, given to them by the federal Minister of Justice. During its review, the Committee will shortlist three candidates from which the Prime Minister then chooses the appointment.
  • Originally, the Committee was prohibited from directly questioning the candidates during its review. Instead, the Minister of Justice would appear before the Committee and answer questions on the candidates' behalfs. In 2006, however, Conservative Prime Minister Stephen Harper signaled that future Committees may have greater access to the candidates when he allowed an ad hoc parliamentary committee to directly question the candidacy of Justice Marshall Rothstein prior to his appointment. Rothstein was one of three candidates shortlisted by a previous advisory committee convened by the outgoing Liberal government.

It is important to note, however, that while the use of advisory committees does allow for greater consultation, it does not fundamentally alter the appointment process. The Committee must work from a list of seven candidates submitted to them by the Minister of Justice (usually in consultation with the Prime Minister). Moreover, it is the Prime Minister who chooses the final nominee from the Committee's short list. Neither the Committee nor Parliament has the power to block the Prime Minister's final decision.

The Qualifications the government requires/looks at.

Spoiler:

Qualifications

The qualifications for appointment to the Supreme Court of Canada are set out in the Supreme Court Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. S 26. Section 5 provides that “Any person may be appointed a judge who is or has been a judge of a superior court of a province or a barrister or advocate of at least ten years standing at the bar of a province.”

In order to be eligible for appointment to the Supreme Court of Canada, a candidate must be:

(1) a current judge of a superior court of a province, including courts of appeal;

(2) a former judge of such a court;

(3) a current barrister or advocate of at least 10 years standing at the bar of a province; or

(4) a former barrister or advocate of at least 10 years standing.

There are special rules for appointment of three judges from Quebec. Section 6 provides that “At least three of the judges shall be appointed from among the judges of the Court of Appeal or of the Superior Court of the Province of Quebec or from among the advocates of that Province.” In the Reference re Supreme Court Act, ss 5 and 6, the Supreme Court stated that only current superior court judges (i.e. judges of the Court of Appeal of Quebec and the Superior Court of Quebec) and current members of the Quebec bar of at least 10 years standing are eligible for appointment to one of the three Quebec positions on the Supreme Court.

All judges of the Supreme Court must live in the National Capital Region or within 40 kilometres thereof. Candidates must either currently meet this qualification or undertake to move their residence, if appointed to the Supreme Court, in order to meet it.

Functional bilingualism

The Government has committed to only appoint judges who are functionally bilingual.

The Supreme Court hears appeals in both English and French. Written materials may be submitted in either official language and counsel may present oral argument in the official language of their choice. Judges may ask questions in English or French. It is expected that a Supreme Court judge can read materials and understand oral argument without the need for translation or interpretation in French and English. Ideally, the judge can converse with counsel during oral argument and with other judges of the Court in French or English.

Assessment Criteria

Judges of the Supreme Court of Canada face multiple, complex and occasionally competing expectations. In keeping with Canada’s evolution into a mature constitutional democracy, the role of the courts, and the Supreme Court in particular, has become ever more important. The criteria for appointment to the Court must reflect both the needs of any court of final appeal, and the particular circumstances, history and context of Canadian society and its legal system. The criteria must facilitate the Court’s ability to: resolve disputes between and among all manner of parties, communicate its decisions effectively to the Canadian public, uphold the constitution, and protect the rule of law.

Criteria for assessment may be grouped along two axes, one individual and the other institutional. Individual criteria relate to the skills, experience and qualities of candidates themselves. Particulars of legal training, of non-legal professional experience and of community involvement will vary greatly from individual to individual, but must be assessed to arrive at an evaluation of the candidate’s potential for excellence in the judicial function. There are also numerous personal qualities that will bear on whether a candidate has the appropriate judicial temperament. Institutional criteria will overlap to some degree with individual ones. But as the Court’s composition shifts over time, particular needs may emerge as more necessary to enable the Court to perform its general and final appellate function in all legal areas.

Part of the selection process will involve determining the ways and degree to which particular candidates embody the skills, experience and qualities that best meet the Court’s needs at a particular point in time. The selection process must retain an appropriate degree of flexibility.

Personal Skills and Experience

1. Demonstrated superior knowledge of the law.

The chief consideration for any appointment is a person’s ability to perform, and achieve excellence in, judging. At the Supreme Court, cases and references can arise in any legal area including public, private and international law. Judges must interpret and apply the governing statute and rules of the Supreme Court in a variety of proceedings relating to hearings, motions and appeals. Candidates for the Court must therefore possess deep knowledge of the law, in particular Canadian law. Knowledge of indigenous legal traditions may also be considered. This depth of skill may be acquired in a variety of ways: specialized legal training and study, professional practice, authoritative or scholarly legal writing and/or prior judicial experience.

The Supreme Court hears cases from matters under federal jurisdiction as well as from all provinces and territories, including Quebec, which follows a civil law tradition for most private law matters. As such, deep knowledge of the common law tradition is essential for all candidates to the six non-Quebec seats, while deep knowledge of the civil law tradition is essential for all candidates to the three Quebec seats. Familiarity with Canada’s other legal tradition is also a strength for any candidate.

2. Superior analytical skills.

A jurist must synthesize, distinguish, compare and contrast a variety of legal sources. They must efficiently determine which of the vast possible materials that constitute “the law” are most relevant to a specific legal question; and understand, weigh and resolve conflicts among those materials. An appellate judge must also review lower court decisions, determine appropriate grounds of appeal, distinguish between questions of fact and law and apply the suitable level of deference or correction. All of these are analytical functions requiring an exceptionally high degree of skill and discernment.

3. Ability to resolve complex legal problems

The core function of the Supreme Court is to adjudicate legal disputes and to provide reasons explaining its decisions. As an adjudicator, a judge is not just required to hear a case, but to give an answer: to bring the matter to a legal conclusion. In appellate cases, resolution may be elusive as the issues tend to feature reasonably competing arguments. Nonetheless, a judge must be able to arrive at a sound decision, to support that decision with reasons and to provide the requisite certainty so that the instant dispute is resolved, and so that lower courts receive sufficient guidance to decide similar cases in the future.

Therefore, prior experience in adjudication is relevant though not essential. Adjudication can occur in many contexts, including administrative tribunals, arbitration bodies, and trial and appellate courts. As the Supreme Court is itself an appellate court, prior appellate judicial experience may be especially relevant but, again, is not essential for appointment.

4. Awareness of, and ability to synthesize information about, the social context in which legal disputes arise.

A judge should demonstrate a general awareness of and an interest in knowing about the social problems that give rise to cases coming before the courts. They should be sensitive to changes in social values relating to the subject matter of cases before the Supreme Court. Many of the cases that the Supreme Court hears are not solely focussed on technical questions of law. Instead, they involve complex interactions between law and fact, particularly social facts that help to explain a law’s purpose, the way that it tends to function and its effects on people or society as a whole. This interaction between law and social fact is most prominent in constitutional cases, but is not limited to them. A judge must therefore be able to receive evidence and argument about these social facts, or context, and use them to appropriately resolve the specific questions posed.

5. Clarity of thought, particularly as demonstrated through written expression.

In most cases, the Supreme Court is expected to, and does, issue written reasons for its decisions. Decisions are the Court’s most important method of communicating with parties, with courts, with other branches of government, and with the Canadian public. Reasons help to explain the basis for deciding complex legal issues one way versus another. Reasons also satisfy the Court’s duty to provide guidance to the lower courts which are expected to apply those decisions in future cases. Excellence in written expression is thus essential to the Court’s work, and a candidate’s prior writing must be reviewed. Such writing can take a number of forms: judicial decisions, reports, memoranda of legal arguments, books, treatises and scholarly articles. The writing may be reviewed for, among other things, clarity, precision, command of the law, persuasiveness and balance. It is expected that the materials reviewed will primarily be legal in nature, though non-legal written expression may provide some assistance.

6. Ability to work under significant time pressures requiring diligent review of voluminous materials in any area of law.

The Supreme Court hears appeals in all areas of law. Its nine members share a variety of adjudicative tasks. Cases at the Supreme Court often contain hundreds of pages of materials, and judges work on multiple cases at the same time. Judges must review materials in preparation for cases, review materials for decisions they are writing and review drafts and memos from their colleagues. The workload is heavy and constant. The job therefore requires significant stamina, industry and learning ability.

7. Commitment to public service

Judges are part of the community and fulfill an essential service to the public in addition to their constitutional role as impartial dispute arbiters. A demonstrated commitment to community engagement through involvement in community and volunteer organizations is a strength.

Personal Qualities

1. Irreproachable personal and professional integrity.

The Supreme Court has noted: “The judge is the pillar of the entire justice system and of the rights and freedoms which that system is designed to promote and protect”. Judges must themselves embody the ideals upon which the rule of law depends.

Canadians, thus, rightfully expect the highest level of ethical conduct from judges. As the Chief Justice of Canada has stated, “The ability of Canada’s legal system to function effectively and to deliver the kind of justice that Canadians need and deserve depends in large part on the ethical standards of our judges.” As noted by the Canadian Judicial Council’s Ethical Principles for Judges, “Public confidence in and respect for the judiciary are essential to an effective judicial system and, ultimately, to democracy founded on the rule of law.”

2. Respect and consideration for others.

The Supreme Court is a collegial court which is composed of nine judges who work and sit together day in and day out. Its judges deal with issues of the highest national importance. Their decisions are final and not subject to appeal to any other court in Canada. It is critical that each judge is able to work collaboratively with his or her colleagues and debate issues in a respectful and constructive manner. In addition, judges must be sensitive when dealing with persons in subordinate positions. It is expected that they will model the highest standards of professionalism, respect and courtesy.

3. Ability to appreciate a diversity of views, perspectives and life experiences, including those relating to groups historically disadvantaged in Canadian society.

Along with legal expertise, a judge will invariably draw on common sense and experience. It is, therefore, crucial that their perspective is neither too narrow nor resistant to change. A judge must have the capacity to empathize with persons who come from backgrounds that are very different from her own.

4. Moral courage

Judicial independence has been recognized as an unwritten constitutional principle under Canada’s Constitution. It exists in order to protect the ability of judges to decide cases impartially, free of any external influence or coercion. Canadian judges enjoy a high degree of independence that is respected around the world. Nevertheless, Supreme Court judges sometimes face extremely challenging issues. They may be faced with making a decision that is at odds with the stated wishes of the government, with public opinion or with the views of their colleagues. This requires a measure of fortitude.

5. Discretion

Judges deal with sensitive and personal information. Their discussions are subject to deliberative secrecy and cannot be revealed. It is critical therefore that judges conduct themselves in a discreet fashion.

6. Open-mindedness

One of the most important qualities of a judge is the ability to maintain an open mind about any case that comes before him or her. To be clear, judges are not expected to operate as blank slates. The fact that a candidate has expressed an opinion on some issue that may one day come before the Court is not disqualifying. But a judge must be seen as able to weigh the evidence and argument in a particular case fairly and impartially, and to set aside any prior personal opinions when rendering a decision.

Institutional Needs of the Court

1. Ensuring a reasonable balance between public and private law expertise, bearing in mind the historic patterns of distribution between those areas in Supreme Court appeals.

The Supreme Court of Canada is a general court of appeal for Canada which hears appeals in all subject areas from provincial and territorial courts of appeal, from the Federal Court of Appeal and from the Court Martial Appeal Court of Canada. According to the most recent statistics, approximately one quarter of the cases heard by the Supreme Court are criminal non-Charter cases, almost another fifth are criminal Charter cases, and another fifth are non-criminal constitutional/Charter cases. The Court hears other types of cases but the subject-areas just noted represent the most significant areas of the Court’s workload.

2. Expertise in any specific subject matter that regularly features in appeals and is currently underrepresented on the Court

Because of its diverse caseload, the Court must have judges with a diversity of expertise in order to address particular subject matters that will arise. A vacancy on the Court may give rise to a need for expertise in a particular subject matter: e.g. criminal, administrative, federal or commercial law.

3. Ensuring that the members of the Supreme Court are reasonably reflective of the diversity of Canadian society.

Canada is one of the world’s most diverse societies, but that diversity is not fully reflected in its institutions. The Supreme Court is the most important and recognizable symbol of the justice system. Having a Court that is reasonably reflective of Canadian diversity helps to ensure that, in any particular case, the Court can benefit from a range of viewpoints and perspectives. A reasonably reflective Court also promotes public confidence in the administration of justice as well as in the appointment process.

It's also mind boggling to me, but the process in Canada indicates

To be eligible to serve on the Supreme Court, an appointee must either 1) be or have been a judge of a superior court of a province or 2) have been a barrister or advocate with at least 10 years standing at the bar of a province.

This suggests that you don't have to be a judge — being a member of the bar for 10 years is sufficient. I don't know a lot of details about Barrett, but she has presumably been a member of the bar (or equivalent) for 10 years, no?

Hunh. I misread that. However, there are also numerous other qualifications that nominees must meet before they are considered. Given her personal beliefs, I find it hard to believe she would make a short list here in Canada.

mudbunny wrote:

Hunh. I misread that. However, there are also numerous other qualifications that nominees must meet before they are considered. Given her personal beliefs, I find it hard to believe she would make a short list here in Canada.

That's the joke, though, right? That it's precisely *because* of her personal beliefs she made the Republican short list?

edit: OH! and almost forgot--she's being nominated because she's relatively young. Longer judicial experience will correlate with being older, so the preference for nominating people as young as possible works against nominating people with longer judicial experience.

mudbunny wrote:

Hunh. I misread that. However, there are also numerous other qualifications that nominees must meet before they are considered. Given her personal beliefs, I find it hard to believe she would make a short list here in Canada.

I think that's true, but only because of the norms and political climate. I'm sure there are a lot of things that were similarly 'thought true' in pre-Trump US. Reading the information you posted, it looks like the criterion I quoted above is the only 'hard' one. Otherwise it looks like the Prime Minister chooses the long list, which the committee shortens to a short list, then the Prime Minister chooses from the short list. If anything it seems like there is, in some ways, more discretionary power in the hands of the Prime Minister for appointments than in the hands of the President. The appointee doesn't even need to be confirmed by the senate or house of commons.

It is important to note, however, that while the use of advisory committees does allow for greater consultation, it does not fundamentally alter the appointment process. The Committee must work from a list of seven candidates submitted to them by the Minister of Justice (usually in consultation with the Prime Minister). Moreover, it is the Prime Minister who chooses the final nominee from the Committee's short list. Neither the Committee nor Parliament has the power to block the Prime Minister's final decision.
mudbunny wrote:

It is mindboggling to me that someone who has been a judge for less than 3 years (if I recall correctly) is considered a good choice for a supreme court justice.

Constitutionally, there are no requirements to be a Supreme Court Justice except that the person is nominated by the President and approved by the Senate. Justices do not need to have been a judge or lawyer. They do not need to have attended law school. They are appointed until they retire or die.

This makes the nomination and confirmation process purely political because the qualifications are literally nothing more than an ability to collect a majority vote. Further proof that the Founding Fathers did not really think any of this through.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

Further proof that the Founding Fathers did not really think any of this through.

I'd say less 'not thinking it through', and more 'not thinking about how a very limited federal government would grow into a modern nation state'.

Like, the Bill of Rights didn't even apply to the states when the constitution was written.

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