[News] Coronavirus

A place to discuss the now-global coronavirus outbreak.

DSGamer wrote:
Prederick wrote:
Farscry wrote:

Trump will have a mild or asymptomatic case and we will never f*cking hear the end of it.

This is absolutely what 2020 will give us.

No way. Peak 2020 is he’s asymptomatic and we never f*cking hear the end of it, but Melanie dies and in a swell of sympathy Trump is re-elected.

No worries there. In order for anyone to have sympathy for Trump, they'd have to first believe he was actually grieving her loss.

You do have to wonder who was the common vector in this instance, since I imagine the first lady and the president have been maintaining social distancing as part of their routine since Barron was born.

I can’t see a good outcome from this.

lunchbox12682 wrote:

Given 2020, I had the same thought about Melanie. Not that I want her or even Trump to die from it.
My real, fully impossible, hope is they get a bit of perspective and humility from this.

After all, look how well that worked for Boris Johnson.

lunchbox12682 wrote:

My real, fully impossible, hope is they get a bit of perspective and humility from this.

I'd sooner put money on the entire QAnon delusion being true than I would Trump getting a microgram of humility out of this or anything else.

CaptainCrowbar wrote:

After all, look how well that worked for Boris Johnson.

I think it gave Johnson quite a bit of perspective at a personal level - his drive against obesity for example - it's just the rest of the cabinet, and the country, really couldn't care less.

Peak 2020 is he recovers, and starts selling TrumPlasma as a miracle cure.

He'll be fine; they're lowering him into a vat of hydroxychloroquine as we speak.

Agathos wrote:

He'll be fine; they're lowering him into a vat of hydroxychloroquine as we speak.

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ClockworkHouse wrote:
lunchbox12682 wrote:

My real, fully impossible, hope is they get a bit of perspective and humility from this.

I'd sooner put money on the entire QAnon delusion being true than I would Trump getting a microgram of humility out of this or anything else.

He's 70+ years old (I am too lazy to look up the real number and it will just remind me that he ruined my birthday), if he were biologically capable of learning humility, he would have by now.

Is it just me or is it weird to think he could be lying about all this to, you know, distract and put the focus on himself? Like he always does.

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thinking about the "back to normal" discussion and that article, it makes me realize that the more your life is about personal relationships, the quicker and more granular things will get better. If your life is about public activity, the slower and more abruptly it will get better.

If you're trying to start over in your personal life, not only is that far more challenging in all this than resuming an already established personal life, but even the things you could rely on in the meantime (like shows and bars and movies and restaurants) will be some of the last things to come back.

the coronavirus is one infection, but we're all fighting a different disease depending on where we are situated. The difference a vaccine that can get us to real (not fake "pox party") herd immunity will make is not one size fits all.

It looks like Trump attended at least 1 public event while knowingly sick with Covid. He spent time indoors with staff while sick. He possibly infected close staff members. He took an airplane ride while sick. And he rode around in a car with Secret Service agents in the middle of being hospitalized.

So why do we trust the numbers again? How do we know they aren’t being manipulated? If he’s willing to do all of the above (and more) for political reasons, on what basis do we trust the numbers?

So the plot twist is that it wasn't Hope Hicks that got Trump sick. It was Trump that infected all of them all along!

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JC wrote:

So the plot twist is that it wasn't Hope Hicks that got Trump sick. It was Trump that infected all of them all along!

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The really sad thing is that no one could have predicted this would happen based on Trumps behavior and that there was absolutely no way that any of this could have been prevented.

Amoebic wrote:

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AHEM. It may be best to direct this to the Discussion: Hope to Remember The Trump Administration Thread as being 'transparent and honest' thread, thanks! Some folks here may want to discuss the pandemic as a whole and not interested in the intricacies of the orange one.

I think this is relevant to discussion of the pandemic as a whole and not Trump specifically, but if I'm out of line then I'm happy to move this to the other thread.

DSGamer wrote:

So why do we trust the numbers again? How do we know they aren’t being manipulated? If he’s willing to do all of the above (and more) for political reasons, on what basis do we trust the numbers?

Scale and verification.

Keeping the White House outbreak under wraps involved a fairly small number of people concealing a fairly small number of positive cases, and it still leaked out. Wholesale manipulation of case numbers on a national level would require many, many more people to be involved in any sort of cover-up, and that would have leaked out by now. Efforts at HHS to manipulate the verbiage of CDC recommendations has leaked out, so I'm confident that broad adjustments in the case numbers would have, as well.

Similarly, new organizations like the New York Times, as well as non-journalistic tracking projects like Johns Hopkins, are not using federal sources as the sole source for their reporting. They have teams of people who contact individual county health departments in order to report on case numbers, so there's some level of outside verification of numbers, at least for now.

We had this discussion an eon ago, but I'm certain that there are individual efforts to manipulate case numbers to make places look better than they are (I have seen no verified instances of case counts being manipulated to make areas look worse). However, there are too many honest actors in this situation for the broad trends of the epidemic in the United States to be clear. Cases trending up will inevitably show.

So we’re still seeing case data from the sources? I remember there was talk at some point of HHS taking over reporting.

cheeze_pavilion wrote:

Peak 2020 is he recovers, and starts selling TrumPlasma as a miracle cure.

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DSGamer wrote:

So we’re still seeing case data from the sources? I remember there was talk at some point of HHS taking over reporting.

As I understand it, cases are reported upward to HHS, but reporters are also getting numbers directly, and a fair number of locations are making their numbers public. (My county, for example, has a robust dashboard with all data publicly available.) HHS is not the sole source of data, thankfully.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

So we’re still seeing case data from the sources? I remember there was talk at some point of HHS taking over reporting.

As I understand it, cases are reported upward to HHS, but reporters are also getting numbers directly, and a fair number of locations are making their numbers public. (My county, for example, has a robust dashboard with all data publicly available.) HHS is not the sole source of data, thankfully.

Thanks for the clarification. Some rare good news.

cheeze_pavilion wrote:

Peak 2020 is he recovers, and starts selling TrumPlasma as a miracle cure.

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-Amoebic

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-Amoebic

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I've asked twice now to keep tr*mp talk out of the covid-specific threads, and posts that are just tr*mp bashing, however satisfying for you, are even more off topic and create clutter. There are other concurrent threads exactly for this. Please stop doing this here.
-Amoebic

Aw, I was quite proud of my work

Looks like with all the headaches we've been giving Amoebic, a healthy dose of TrumpPlasma is in order, stat ;P

This thread is not the place for it. Why must we continue to mention that person's name here in off-topic chatter when I've expressly asked you to stop? Further posts continuing this thread derailment will be deleted without warning. Likewise mentioning my name and that name in the same breath makes me feel disgusting, it's not funny or cute, please don't ever do that again. Please stop and get back on topic.

Sorry. That post was meant to be a mea culpa.

Re: COVID, something on Rachel Maddow kept me up last night. It was a little side quip just before an ad break where she said that we are already seeing a spike in 30 states. She said the spike was expected during the cold months but that it not even cold yet

As of yesterday there was only declining COVID numbers in 3 states. Now it is possible that 47 states were not seeing increases but only staying steady but I doubt it.