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Previous incarnations of Cleveland/P&C/D&D have had an image thread, to handle political cartoons and other image-based stuff that doesn't belong in the general post-a-picture threads.

If any of them spawn an extended discussion, please spawn it off into its own thread. Replies to non-picture replies should take the form of a link pointing to a post on a different discussion thread.

And I shouldn't have to say it, but the images still need to abide by the rules.

ClockworkHouse wrote:

Edited out image explicitly wishing for someone's death, per CoC. ~dee

I understand that this is an evolving situation, but I'm not sure I understand how the image I posted was a violation of the code of conduct but this post (also mine, to keep it fair) remains unmoderated. If both are violations, that's fine, but I'm not sure I see a distinction between them.

ClockworkHouse wrote:
ClockworkHouse wrote:

Edited out image explicitly wishing for someone's death, per CoC. ~dee

I understand that this is an evolving situation, but I'm not sure I understand how the image I posted was a violation of the code of conduct but this post (also mine, to keep it fair) remains unmoderated. If both are violations, that's fine, but I'm not sure I see a distinction between them.

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Because I missed it. Thanks for bringing it to my notice. It's absolutely a violation!

Thanks for clearing that up! I really appreciate it.

Can you imagine the screaming from evangelicals if this were the case?

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I feel this way but I must say I don't like feeling this way. It isn't something I am proud of.

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DSGamer wrote:

Not wishing. Being okay with.

To be fair, the image is saying that it would be a preferable if he died.
I think the spirit of the rule is meant for more for explicit & personal instances of wishing death on someone, but it does technically violate the letter of it.

Stengah wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

Not wishing. Being okay with.

To be fair, the image is saying that it would be a preferable if he died.
I think the spirit of the rule is meant for more for explicit & personal instances of wishing death on someone, but it does technically violate the letter of it.

they are taking a pretty zero tolerance policy I think. There were some other threads that got dinged for folks implying Bob Murray

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should receive the same treatment he offered his employees for his silicosis.

I think indulging in schadenfreude in probably pretty close to that line.

farley3k wrote:

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...could have been Hope Hicks!

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Personally, I'm terrified that he might die.

Not that it wouldn't be justice. It absolutely would be. If there's anyone on this planet that deserves to die of COVID-19, it's Donald Trump. By spreading misinformation, he has directly killed thousands of people, and through negligence and incompetence, over two hundred thousand.

But if he dies, he avoids all justice. The nation doesn't get to see him eviscerated in court. He becomes a martyr in a sense, as the far right will insist that he was assassinated.

Further, that gives Pence the nod for the next election, and he could win. He could beat Biden handily.

Nah, next election would be Don Jr.

Malor wrote:

But if he dies, he avoids all justice. The nation doesn't get to see him eviscerated in court. He becomes a martyr in a sense, as the far right will insist that he was assassinated.

Further, that gives Pence the nod for the next election, and he could win. He could beat Biden handily.

Dying of the thing you caused thousands to die from sounds pretty just to me. See Bob Murray.

It's not that simple as "you're voting for Pence now" - lots of votes have already been placed.

And even if Pence could just be swapped in (which could happen, but will pay for many a lawyer's new yacht if it does), I don't think he can rally Trump's base. The GOP *is* Trump now, and Pence is no Trump.

what are the odds of him ever facing legal repercussions? Avoiding responsibility is basically this guy’s superpower.

I don’t want him to die either but that doesn’t mean I don’t find all this grimly humorous.

In possibly related news- there’s been construction guys renovating the exterior of my apartment building all summer (on and off since June at least) and I have never, ever seen them wearing masks.

They were all wearing masks today.

There will still be some additional justice besides him dying of the disease he helped spread. His empire relies on him constantly using new grifts to pay for his prior ones (or postpone them from coming due) and he can't do that if he's dead. His assets will be seized to pay his debts and his children won't have daddy shielding them from the law anymore. We won't get to see him suffer the embarrassment of having to watch his empire fall apart from behind bars, but we'll still get to watch it collapse.

Stengah wrote:
DSGamer wrote:

Not wishing. Being okay with.

To be fair, the image is saying that it would be a preferable if he died.
I think the spirit of the rule is meant for more for explicit & personal instances of wishing death on someone, but it does technically violate the letter of it.

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If anyone has an issue with the interpretation of the CoC, which I helped write, you are welcome to PM me or any other member of the moderation team.

farley3k wrote:

I feel this way but I must say I don't like feeling this way. It isn't something I am proud of.

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I get it. It's difficult to have sympathy for a man who's never demonstrated empathy for anyone and only shown compassion for the likes of a sex-trafficker.

On the other hand, if Trump delights in others' misfortune, does this mean you're demonstrating empathy? The horror.

Edit: Personally, I hope he survives it, but only because I want him to spend the rest of his life in prison.

deftly wrote:

Personally, I hope he survives it, but only because I want him to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I hope he survives it because I know who the white supremacists are going to go after if he dies.

For him to die strikes me as disastrous.

If he dies tomorrow, in the near term it generates all kinds of chaos for the election - procedural chaos, which the current GOP machine thrives on, and right after they've spent several years aggressively packing courts. In the longer term, if he dies now the current GOP leaders' safest path will be to play to his basest supporters by lionizing him and keeping him at the center of their party where he's installed himself.

To me it seems really important that he survive, so the country can see his long gradual downfall, legal troubles, probably another bankruptcy, and inevitable political infights with a GOP that he mostly dislikes, and that mostly dislikes him, and that he no longer has much power over.

(puts finger to ear) ....okay, I'm being told that this is an image thread, so..

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Jonman wrote:

And even if Pence could just be swapped in (which could happen, but will pay for many a lawyer's new yacht if it does), I don't think he can rally Trump's base. The GOP *is* Trump now, and Pence is no Trump.

Trump's main base is evangelicals. Pence is a Christian Dominionist, and a deeply, deeply scary man.

I do not believe you've thought that stance through.

His main base may be evangelicals, but evangelicals are not what carried him to his narrow electoral college victory, that was the primarily non-evangelical Northern “white working class”.

In the three states that ended up giving him the election the majority of people support Roe v. Wade, including a large chunk of his voters, if not an out right majority. Pence‘s Christian Dominionism is not an electoral positive outside states that the Republicans were going to win even if Jesus Christ himself descended from the heaven and endorsed Biden.

Hah, there's some truth to that, and that means the 'trump dies' outcome is slightly less scary now, but I still think Pence could win. If he does, America as we knew it will die.

If I am going to be completely honest I find the idea that the president, who is down between eight and 12 points in the polls and whose opponent is at or above 50%, including in essentially every state that is necessary to win the electoral college, and a bunch that would just be nice to have, with over 1 million votes already having been sent in and a little over a month to go until the election, and who spent months downplaying the severity of the virus that killed 200,000 people, including after he got caught on tape admitting that they knew the severity of the virus and withheld the information from the American public, and who made fun of his opponent for taking precautions against the virus in a nationally televised debate not a week ago, catching said virus and dying somehow being Good for the Republican parties electoral chances perplexing.

Edit: in so far as I believe Trump’s victory had anything to do with himself, as opposed to peoples hatred of Hillary Clinton, it was a combination of his carnival barker energy and the fact that he had no actual record in politics which allowed people to essentially project whatever they wanted onto him. People believed he was more moderate than Clinton, many of the people who voted for him the first time thought that his rally persona was an act. Pence, especially after being part of this administration for four years, does not have either of those advantages.

Zona wrote:

If I am going to be completely honest I find the idea that the president, who is down between eight and 12 points in the polls and whose opponent is at or above 50%, including in essentially every state that is necessary to win the electoral college, and a bunch that would just be nice to have, with over 1 million votes already having been sent in and a little over a month to go until the election, and who spent months downplaying the severity of the virus that killed 200,000 people, including after he got caught on tape admitting that they knew the severity of the virus and withheld the information from the American public, and who made fun of his opponent for taking precautions against the virus in a nationally televised debate not a week ago, catching said virus and dying somehow being Good for the Republican parties electoral chances perplexing.

Because despite the confidence of pollsters and pundits and everyday people, Trump somehow eeked out an odds-defying, narrowest possible path to victory in 2016 and plunged the nation head long into f*ckery, and a lot of us are afraid that it'll happen again. The arc of the race seems to be in Biden’s favor right now, but what fluke or happenstance or late hour Comey letter will wobble that trajectory just enough to put Trump or his party in power for four more years? It's legitimately frightening, and it inclines some people (I know I'm prone to it) to read the tea leaves of the future and become afraid that this latest thing will tip the balance yet again.

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ClockworkHouse wrote:
Zona wrote:

If I am going to be completely honest I find the idea that the president, who is down between eight and 12 points in the polls and whose opponent is at or above 50%, including in essentially every state that is necessary to win the electoral college, and a bunch that would just be nice to have, with over 1 million votes already having been sent in and a little over a month to go until the election, and who spent months downplaying the severity of the virus that killed 200,000 people, including after he got caught on tape admitting that they knew the severity of the virus and withheld the information from the American public, and who made fun of his opponent for taking precautions against the virus in a nationally televised debate not a week ago, catching said virus and dying somehow being Good for the Republican parties electoral chances perplexing.

Because despite the confidence of pollsters and pundits and everyday people, Trump somehow eeked out an odds-defying, narrowest possible path to victory in 2016 and plunged the nation head long into f*cker, and a lot of us are afraid that it'll happen again. The arc of the race seems to be in Biden’s favor right now, but what fluke or happenstance or late hour Comey letter will wobble that trajectory just enough to put Trump or his party in power for four more years? It's legitimately frightening, and it inclines some people (I know I'm prone to it) to read the tea leaves of the future and become afraid that this latest thing will tip the balance yet again.

If every poll, at this point I remind everyone that the national polls in 2016 were accurate and state polling in 2018 nailed the results, are off in Trump’s favor by the same amount they were in 2016… Biden still wins. If they are off by the amount they were in 2016 in Biden‘s favor he wins Texas.

Hell, if they’re spot on he might narrowly win Texas. It’s just not a sure thing.

Edit: Though honestly if existential dread is what finally gets Democrats to consistently turn out, and looking at 2018 it might be, then let us be afraid. But we do not have to invent worst case scenarios for fear that they might come true. And we can be mildly confident/optimistic without being complacent. A constant state of anxiety and panic does nobody any favors, least of all ourselves.

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ruhk wrote:

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Zona wrote:

catching said virus and dying somehow being Good for the Republican parties electoral chances perplexing.

Republicans know Trump's a bad deal. They'd get really excited about Pence.

In a different sense than usual, I'm repeating myself here: I said at least two or three times that I thought Trump could beat HIllary.

I'll say here for the record that I think Pence will beat Biden in a straight-up election, never mind the rigged elections we're getting in many states.